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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2600 on: November 20, 2023, 04:11:06 AM »
Which model Ikon rear shocks do you have ?

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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2601 on: November 20, 2023, 04:13:39 AM »
Have you checked the front springs for free length? My buddy Gary used Progresive  front spring set (along with the full kit for the back) and his bike was transformed.

I have not.   I have no complaints about the front suspension on this bike.  It works surprisingly well for mid-1970's technology.  I wish I knew what weight oil is in the fork so that come time to change it, I can use the same.
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2602 on: November 20, 2023, 08:14:16 AM »
Have you checked the front springs for free length? My buddy Gary used Progresive  front spring set (along with the full kit for the back) and his bike was transformed.

I have not.   I have no complaints about the front suspension on this bike.  It works surprisingly well for mid-1970's technology.  I wish I knew what weight oil is in the fork so that come time to change it, I can use the same.
I would highly recommend racetech straight wound springs as apposed to the progressive springs, and add in racetech gold valves for better handling.
Stu
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2603 on: November 23, 2023, 07:00:27 AM »
What is the issue with progressive springs? For regular street riding they seem like a good idea.
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2604 on: November 23, 2023, 07:22:41 AM »
What is the issue with progressive springs? For regular street riding they seem like a good idea.
With the stock damping, they should be an ok improvement.  The stock forks suffer from 2 problems (well actually several more, but we are not gonna be concerned with those atm).  Spring rate is generally too low for most riders body rate and hydraulic damper design is primitive and lacks adjustability.  Progressive wound springs can solve the spring rate problem but actually further over stress the damping, as the spring rate is always changing depemding on how far the spring is compressed...so the damping that fails to perform at the spring rate supplied by the factory, cannot perform any better trying to control a constantly varying spring rate.  Race Tech cartridge emulators can greatly improve the damping but are designed to work with a straight spring weight (as are most high performance damping systems).
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2605 on: November 23, 2023, 08:28:51 AM »
What is the issue with progressive springs? For regular street riding they seem like a good idea.
With the stock damping, they should be an ok improvement.  The stock forks suffer from 2 problems (well actually several more, but we are not gonna be concerned with those atm).  Spring rate is generally too low for most riders body rate and hydraulic damper design is primitive and lacks adjustability.  Progressive wound springs can solve the spring rate problem but actually further over stress the damping, as the spring rate is always changing depemding on how far the spring is compressed...so the damping that fails to perform at the spring rate supplied by the factory, cannot perform any better trying to control a constantly varying spring rate.  Race Tech cartridge emulators can greatly improve the damping but are designed to work with a straight spring weight (as are most high performance damping systems).

Yes  :)
I wonder if Race Tech offers 'spring swaps' to get it just right?  or do they make you purchase every spring until it's optimum ?
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2606 on: November 23, 2023, 09:25:50 AM »
What is the issue with progressive springs? For regular street riding they seem like a good idea.
With the stock damping, they should be an ok improvement.  The stock forks suffer from 2 problems (well actually several more, but we are not gonna be concerned with those atm).  Spring rate is generally too low for most riders body rate and hydraulic damper design is primitive and lacks adjustability.  Progressive wound springs can solve the spring rate problem but actually further over stress the damping, as the spring rate is always changing depemding on how far the spring is compressed...so the damping that fails to perform at the spring rate supplied by the factory, cannot perform any better trying to control a constantly varying spring rate.  Race Tech cartridge emulators can greatly improve the damping but are designed to work with a straight spring weight (as are most high performance damping systems).

Yes  :)
I wonder if Race Tech offers 'spring swaps' to get it just right?  or do they make you purchase every spring until it's optimum ?
They offer the spring rate for your weight plus any passenger and gear you plan to carry.
Stu
Honda Parts manager in the mid 1970s Nashua Honda
My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2607 on: November 23, 2023, 12:24:52 PM »
What is the issue with progressive springs? For regular street riding they seem like a good idea.
With the stock damping, they should be an ok improvement.  The stock forks suffer from 2 problems (well actually several more, but we are not gonna be concerned with those atm).  Spring rate is generally too low for most riders body rate and hydraulic damper design is primitive and lacks adjustability.  Progressive wound springs can solve the spring rate problem but actually further over stress the damping, as the spring rate is always changing depemding on how far the spring is compressed...so the damping that fails to perform at the spring rate supplied by the factory, cannot perform any better trying to control a constantly varying spring rate.  Race Tech cartridge emulators can greatly improve the damping but are designed to work with a straight spring weight (as are most high performance damping systems).

Yes  :)
I wonder if Race Tech offers 'spring swaps' to get it just right?  or do they make you purchase every spring until it's optimum ?
They offer the spring rate for your weight plus any passenger and gear you plan to carry.

I remember working with them and they do some careful calculations;still,I may decide to swap-in a different set of fork springs..
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2608 on: November 23, 2023, 12:31:55 PM »
I'm not a fan of the emulator process. It is too much money and it makes it much harder to change the settings. If you set it up for a passenger it will be wrong for solo riding. If someone else rides the bike it will be wrong for them and you can't adjust it without disassembly. If you sell the bike it will be wrong for the new owner and they can't go back to stock. They will have to buy new springs and disassemble the forks to retune the emulators or have to replace the drilled out pistons.

We've installed Progressive brand springs in several bikes with great results and it's only $100. I can ride plenty fast and hard with the Progressive springs without buying into all the hype about race parts. Most riders don't need to blow money on parts they really won't benefit from because they aren't riding at that level.

It's just like hotrods. Guys dump thousands of dollars into fancy parts just to brag about it. Then they total the car because it takes a long time to learn to really handle a high performance car. Driving/riding skills of the average person are just not up to performance levels that are so easy to buy now.
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1975 Honda CB 400F Super Sport                          1972 MGB/GT
1977 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD                                   1985 GMC S15
1978 Kawasaki KL 250
1980 Suzuki GS 1100E
1982 Honda CB 900F Super Sport
1983 Honda CB 1100F
1984 Honda VF 700S Sabre
1984 Honda VF 1000F Interceptor
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2609 on: November 23, 2023, 12:48:53 PM »
I'm not a fan of the emulator process. It is too much money and it makes it much harder to change the settings. If you set it up for a passenger it will be wrong for solo riding. If someone else rides the bike it will be wrong for them and you can't adjust it without disassembly. If you sell the bike it will be wrong for the new owner and they can't go back to stock. They will have to buy new springs and disassemble the forks to retune the emulators or have to replace the drilled out pistons.

We've installed Progressive brand springs in several bikes with great results and it's only $100. I can ride plenty fast and hard with the Progressive springs without buying into all the hype about race parts. Most riders don't need to blow money on parts they really won't benefit from because they aren't riding at that level.

It's just like hotrods. Guys dump thousands of dollars into fancy parts just to brag about it. Then they total the car because it takes a long time to learn to really handle a high performance car. Driving/riding skills of the average person are just not up to performance levels that are so easy to buy now.

I think new suspension components have really improved over Racetech offerings.
I also like the standard(cartridge)forks which come equipped with rebound and compression damping adjusters;I like installing aftermarket springs in them.
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2610 on: November 23, 2023, 07:00:11 PM »
I'm not a fan of the emulator process. It is too much money and it makes it much harder to change the settings. If you set it up for a passenger it will be wrong for solo riding. If someone else rides the bike it will be wrong for them and you can't adjust it without disassembly. If you sell the bike it will be wrong for the new owner and they can't go back to stock. They will have to buy new springs and disassemble the forks to retune the emulators or have to replace the drilled out pistons.

We've installed Progressive brand springs in several bikes with great results and it's only $100. I can ride plenty fast and hard with the Progressive springs without buying into all the hype about race parts. Most riders don't need to blow money on parts they really won't benefit from because they aren't riding at that level.

It's just like hotrods. Guys dump thousands of dollars into fancy parts just to brag about it. Then they total the car because it takes a long time to learn to really handle a high performance car. Driving/riding skills of the average person are just not up to performance levels that are so easy to buy now.
yeah, I here ya Kelly.  Motorcycle "handling" is really all about confidence anyway.  Folks that are fast are gonna be faster than you on anything.  But is it really that hard to pop a fork cap, pull the spring, fish out the emulator and make an adjustment?...certainly not somethng you want to do before every ride.  And I agree, most of the 1980's stuff you ride is good enough that emulators are probably not worth it.  But those 1970's damper rod forks...the damping can be so terrble!...Harsh and hard on the sharp edged bumps, soft and wallowy on the smooth undulations...this is exactly opposite of what you want, and a good RaceTech set up fixes 85 percent of that imo.  I have heard you complain about rear stuff that is wrong for your abnormally low body weight.  Its uncomfortable, rght?And it's hard to have confidence when you are getting bucked off the seat.  So why put up with it in the front when you don't have to?
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2611 on: November 24, 2023, 02:29:18 AM »
I'm not a fan of the emulator process. It is too much money and it makes it much harder to change the settings. If you set it up for a passenger it will be wrong for solo riding. If someone else rides the bike it will be wrong for them and you can't adjust it without disassembly. If you sell the bike it will be wrong for the new owner and they can't go back to stock. They will have to buy new springs and disassemble the forks to retune the emulators or have to replace the drilled out pistons.

We've installed Progressive brand springs in several bikes with great results and it's only $100. I can ride plenty fast and hard with the Progressive springs without buying into all the hype about race parts. Most riders don't need to blow money on parts they really won't benefit from because they aren't riding at that level.

It's just like hotrods. Guys dump thousands of dollars into fancy parts just to brag about it. Then they total the car because it takes a long time to learn to really handle a high performance car. Driving/riding skills of the average person are just not up to performance levels that are so easy to buy now.
yeah, I here ya Kelly.  Motorcycle "handling" is really all about confidence anyway.  Folks that are fast are gonna be faster than you on anything.  But is it really that hard to pop a fork cap, pull the spring, fish out the emulator and make an adjustment?...certainly not somethng you want to do before every ride.  And I agree, most of the 1980's stuff you ride is good enough that emulators are probably not worth it.  But those 1970's damper rod forks...the damping can be so terrble!...Harsh and hard on the sharp edged bumps, soft and wallowy on the smooth undulations...this is exactly opposite of what you want, and a good RaceTech set up fixes 85 percent of that imo.  I have heard you complain about rear stuff that is wrong for your abnormally low body weight.  Its uncomfortable, rght?And it's hard to have confidence when you are getting bucked off the seat.  So why put up with it in the front when you don't have to?
If full top adjustable cartridges like Traxxion offers were available for the 750 I'd probably get them.
I have the Traxxion AK20 on my goldwing and know the difference. I started with the Racetech emulators and springs before spending the extra on the cartridges. A huge difference between the two. I've also tried the progressive springs and hated the harshness of the ride on the wings early on in my different wings.....I  was trained by a goldwing suspension specialist a few years ago as well as rode and worked with racers and race bike builders back in the 70s. I know the difference in handling and feedback the bikes give.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2612 on: November 24, 2023, 04:37:00 AM »
Out and about on the TR1 :)


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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2613 on: November 24, 2023, 12:53:40 PM »
Out and about on the TR1 :)

Ah,ok,  8), The XV1000 project has now been completed ?
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« Reply #2614 on: November 24, 2023, 06:02:53 PM »
I've used Progressive springs in the front of my 84' Honda Sabre 700 and my 94' Kawasaki ZG 1000 Concours with great results. I made an adapter to install a 01' CBR 1100xx Blackbird shock on the rear of the Sabre. I installed a 02' ZZR 1200 shock on the rear of the Concours by replacing the lower shock bolt. Both bikes handle really well and have been run hard on the North Cascades Hwy 20 to dial them in.
My point is you don't have to spend a bunch of money on fancy high end stuff to really improve the performance of your bike.

Personally I think all of you big people are "abnormally large" . ;D
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2615 on: November 24, 2023, 07:15:45 PM »
Out and about on the TR1 :)

Ah,ok,  8), The XV1000 project has now been completed ?

No, just a couple of pics from this summer...
Over here the riding season ended in september and right now its all white and wintery outside...

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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2616 on: December 20, 2023, 08:19:09 PM »
I went to the VJMC Christmas BBQ in Tooradin (Victoria, Australia) on my Suzuki Bandit, and saw some nice bikes...































































1971 Kawasaki H1A
1972 Honda CB350F
1976 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport
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« Reply #2617 on: December 20, 2023, 10:05:53 PM »
WOW Trevor !!!  8) 8) 8) 8)
That is a wonderful array of beautiful vintage 2-wheeled machinery  8) 8)
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« Reply #2618 on: December 21, 2023, 07:20:02 AM »
WOW Trevor !!!  8) 8) 8) 8)
That is a wonderful array of beautiful vintage 2-wheeled machinery  8) 8)


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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2619 on: December 21, 2023, 08:28:24 AM »
What was the odd looking maroon and white bike with the black panniers?
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1974 Honda CB 550 K0                                            1971 MGB/GT
1975 Honda CB 400F Super Sport                          1972 MGB/GT
1977 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD                                   1985 GMC S15
1978 Kawasaki KL 250
1980 Suzuki GS 1100E
1982 Honda CB 900F Super Sport
1983 Honda CB 1100F
1984 Honda VF 700S Sabre
1984 Honda VF 1000F Interceptor
1990 Moto Guzzi 1000 Le Mans
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2620 on: December 21, 2023, 01:41:40 PM »
What was the odd looking maroon and white bike with the black panniers?
thats an LE Velocette, a much despised bike that were mostly used by various police forces around england, also known as a Noddy bike
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2621 on: December 22, 2023, 06:48:06 AM »
I went to the VJMC Christmas BBQ in Tooradin (Victoria, Australia) on my Suzuki Bandit, and saw some nice bikes...





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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2622 on: December 22, 2023, 06:55:27 AM »
What a gathering! You folks in Australia really know how to get some great vintage stuff gathered up!!
Very odd red and white one, I think 5th one down.
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« Reply #2623 on: December 22, 2023, 02:06:48 PM »
What model is the single cylinder Vincent ?
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Re: Let's see your non-SOHC4 on the road
« Reply #2624 on: December 22, 2023, 02:47:24 PM »
That's a 500, rode one years ago, was surprised at the lazy manner of the motor, and the shift lever on the right, rear brake on the left oops.
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