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Offline Mr Freeze

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A different kind of Hondamatic...
« on: September 18, 2013, 12:18:05 pm »
Hey guys I wanted to share my bike with you guys since the wealth of information on here was such a huge help in getting this bike to where it is now. I just got off the road after a 5700 mile trip in about 27 days.

My road trip & build journal is at http://talesofthenewtraditionalist.blogspot.com if any of you are interested reading about the bike.












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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 12:45:48 pm »
Here's what work I did in case anyone wants to know. This is a 1978 CB750A

- Bridgestone Spitfire Tires 100/90/19 on the front / 130/90/17 on the rear
- Painted comstar rim centers black.
- Painted front fork lowers black.
- Shortened front front springs to lower the bike 1.5" (as per instructions on Honda Chopper)
- Installed black super bike bars
- Eliminated handlebar switches (Left side - turn signal toggle switch. Right master cylinder and throttle)
- Cycle X ignition key switch (eliminates start button and bike starts like a car)
- Custom ignition key / speedometer bracket
- Baja Designs mini speedo
- Stainless steel front brake line
- CB750cafe diamond turn signals
- Eliminated all gauges including fuel level and associated electronics (relays,etc) to make it work.
- Removed change switch
- Retrofitted ATC blade style fusebox
- Custom made side covers with paisley decals I had made
- New points & Hondaman ignition
- Swapped in 1974 CB750K camshaft and 657A "roundtop" carbs (main jets at 115)
- Steel Dragon Performance dual velocity stack airboxes
- Totally redid wiring harness while eliminating unneeded wires
- 12 volt DC socket in lower headlight bucket
- Rebuilt swingarm with bronze bushings and steering head with taper bearings
- New wheel bearings
- Custom made my own seat pan (upholstered by Eddie Barrett Seats in Durham,CT)
- Bobbed rear fender and added Low Brow Customs tail light / license plate bracket for the CB750
- Cut and added frame loop on the rear section
- Progressive style 11.5" rear shocks
« Last Edit: September 18, 2013, 12:49:54 pm by Mr Freeze »

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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 02:06:09 pm »
Did you have the bike as a runner before all of your upgrades?  Interested in your before/after cam/carb experience.
1978 CB750A (upgrading very, very slowly)

Past bikes - Honda: SL350, CX650C, CB900C, CB1000C, CM450A; Kawasaki: several 1972 750 H2's; Suzuki: TC90J.

Bikes I want: CX650ED, a mid-sized japanese V-twin with ABS.

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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2013, 02:58:27 pm »
Yeah the bike was running before I took it all apart. The carbs weren't doing the bike any favors. In my opinion, and I confirmed this with Hondaman when I met him on my trip, that the later model carbs K, F, and A are a hinderance to this bikes potential because they're too small and the pilots and passages were really restrictive and inaccessible because of EPA standards imposed on Honda at the time. The roundtops really are the way to fly. The idle is much better and the throttle range pulls well from idle to WOT provided you understand when to shift from L into D, but I never roll around in just D. I'm still shifting even if it is only twice. You can wind the bike up to 50mph and then shift which is great for getting on the highway and having to merge with tractor trailer trucks and the like.

As for the camshaft, the improvements are very noticeable. The bike's pickup has increased dramatically. Most "A" guys considering an upgrade seem to be converned about the loss of the idle speed pickup solenoid when the bike is shifted into gear and the accelerator pump, but I didn't find it to be anything to worry about when you consider how much better the bike is going to run and drive with the early carbs and camshaft.

The only thing to really consider is that the idle RPM screw for all 4 carbs when set in Neutral, needs to be set a little bit higher, say 1200 rpm instead of 1000 or whatever your particular bike can handle. I went with 115 main jets, everything else is in the stock positions/sizes.

I lowered the bike 1.5" all around and dig the lower stance and feel. I road really windy roads throughout my trip, up and down the Rocky Mountains and other places without feeling like ground clearance was some sort of problem.

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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2013, 07:30:43 pm »
Nice looking bike.  The wheels look very good - better than I imagined it would.  Nice, nice work!
1978 CB750A (upgrading very, very slowly)

Past bikes - Honda: SL350, CX650C, CB900C, CB1000C, CM450A; Kawasaki: several 1972 750 H2's; Suzuki: TC90J.

Bikes I want: CX650ED, a mid-sized japanese V-twin with ABS.

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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2013, 08:30:30 am »
A lot of people paint them all black, but I thought painting just the centers would look better.

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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2013, 09:13:12 am »
Very informative list of mods and I am particularly interested in 2:

1. Got any photos of the 12 volt DC socket in lower headlight bucket?

2.  Custom made my own seat pan (upholstered by Eddie Barrett Seats in Durham,CT)  - I am looking to do the same to make a K8 tank fit on a 74 frame. Roughly how much does Eddie Barrett charge for doing the seat? Do you have options on stitching? Did you have to give him the frame/tank so that it would fit correctly? Did you get a gel seat? How was it on your trip after a couple of hundred miles?

thanks
Andy
Current bikes
1. CB750K4: Long distance bike, 17 countries and counting...2001 - Trans-USA-Mexico, 2003 - European Tour, 2004 - SOHC Easy Rider Trip , 2008 - Adirondack Tour 2-up , 2013 - Tail of the Dragon Tour , 2017: 836 kit install and bottom end rebuild. And rebirth: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,173213.msg2029836.html#msg2029836
2. CB750/810cc K2  - road racer with JMR worked head 71 hp
3. Yamaha Tenere T700 2022

Where did you go on your bike today? - http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.2350

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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2013, 07:06:43 pm »
Here's the socket. I mounted it inside the rectangular cutout on the headlight bucket. I also did a lot of wiring elimination and changed all connections in the headlight to male/female bullet connectors. You may have a hard time fitting a 12v socket space wise if you have those big white block connectors. I don't.

Here it is mounted.



If you see inside the bucket, I slide the socket over to the left edge of the cutout and used washers to take up the space around the socket. This was it before I installed it.



As far as the seat goes. I made a basic pan with mounting studs/bolts that mount it  to my frame.

This was it before being upholstered.



The job cost me $200. That included the padding and custom made seat cover and any changes you may desire down the road padding wise. I went for a tuck and roll type style where the stitching is still visible. He'd make you whatever you wanted. I just brought a picture of the type of seat I wanted and some pictures of the seatpan mounted on the bike. I didn't go with a gel seat. I think that gel isn't used much by upholstery people these days.



On my trip I found that the foam he used was too soft. It became uncomfortable rather quickly so I've since brought it back and he redid it for me free of charge. I guess he had a bad run of foam and this medium density gave in pretty fast.

I ended up having him redo it with a combination of high density and medium foams to achieve a good balance between comfort and firmness.



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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2013, 07:43:46 pm »
Great photos and thanks so much for the info I really appreciate it. I am going to get my seat done by the same guy so thanks for the recommendation. I like how you setup the 12V very nice.

Very well setup bike!

thanks
Andy
Current bikes
1. CB750K4: Long distance bike, 17 countries and counting...2001 - Trans-USA-Mexico, 2003 - European Tour, 2004 - SOHC Easy Rider Trip , 2008 - Adirondack Tour 2-up , 2013 - Tail of the Dragon Tour , 2017: 836 kit install and bottom end rebuild. And rebirth: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,173213.msg2029836.html#msg2029836
2. CB750/810cc K2  - road racer with JMR worked head 71 hp
3. Yamaha Tenere T700 2022

Where did you go on your bike today? - http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.2350

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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2015, 07:39:25 pm »
Hey guys I wanted to share my bike with you guys since the wealth of information on here was such a huge help in getting this bike to where it is now. I just got off the road after a 5700 mile trip in about 27 days.

My road trip & build journal is at http://talesofthenewtraditionalist.blogspot.com if any of you are interested reading about the bike.












Any chance you have a wire diagram of your setup?

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Re: A different kind of Hondamatic...
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2015, 05:39:24 pm »
Chop them and make it yours
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