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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #75 on: April 22, 2015, 08:44:39 AM »
I was not happy with my No3 carb (choke slide was sticking and I couldn't get it to slide freely) and decided to use my original No3 carb, though it would need some work.  It was pretty gummed but a bath of acetone for a couple of weeks sorted out the worst of it.  A toothbrush and come carb cleaner took care of the rest. 

A wee tip in case anyone comes across the same issue.  I'm not sure what it is called, but the guide for the needle was not shifting at all.  I didn't want to put force directly on the top in case it spread and would never come out.  I found a 3mm punch fitted perfectly on the flat area inside the guide.  It means you can give it a good tap without ruining anything, though don't go nuts.  As you can see from the picks, mine was well gummed and didn't come out without a fight.  Hopefully that helps someone out.

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #76 on: May 01, 2015, 11:35:55 AM »
I finally finished the wheels - two days of my life polishing every spoke and nut, both rims, and painting / polishing hubs.  I tried an experiment which I think worked and might help someone else.  I had made the decision from the beginning that the rear hub was getting painted so that was easy.  I used VHT Engine Enamel and was very impressed with the result.  If you have not used it, I would recommend it for any part on the bike, not just the engine.  It goes on very nice.  As long as you follow the instructions very carefully you get an excellent result.  I went for Grey Primer and followed with Cast Aluminium.  I decided against a clear coat.  I like the Cast Aluminium finish and it should be tough enough as is.

I did something that the purists might hate but I think it worked well on the front hub.  I couldn't decide on paint or polish.  The outer parts polished fine.  The problem was the inner parts where the ridges are was badly pitted, to the point that no reasonable amount of sanding would remove it.  I decided to paint the inside (same VHT paints as the rear hub) and leave the polished parts as they are.  It was not such a crazy idea.  If it didn't look right I would simply scuff up the polished parts and complete the paint job.  As it is, I'm happy.  The tricky to reach parts have a tough (I hope) finish that doesn't require polishing, and the polished bits are accessible.  It works for me!  ;D

A wee query, in case someone has laced the same wheels as me.  I have Akront aluminium rims front and rear and they don't tighten like the stock.  I have laced wheels before so know what I am doing.  With these though, you get them all lined up even on thread counts then start to bring them to tension.  Problem is the outers tighten about 6 threads before the inners and the difference in the inners can be anything up to 9 threads (9x360 degrees tighten).  I just want to make sure I have laced these right.  I can't see any other way to do it.

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #77 on: May 01, 2015, 11:37:53 AM »
Eddie,

The wheels look terrific. Did you cure the paint (oven bake it) on the hubs?
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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2015, 11:50:23 AM »
I didn't.  Should I have?  They are a bit big to go in the oven now if so!  ???

I read the VHT stuff will cure fully at room temperature fully over a 7 day period, though I'm sure you could apply heat to hurry that along.  I don't need the wheels to be weather / road proof for a while yet so 7 days is no problem for me.  If need be, I can hit it with a heat gun.  The paint feel very hard after 24hrs.  Some of the outer spokes were a very tight fit and I had to push then in, the ends catching the hub on the way through.  I expected to do a bit of a touch up after, but there wasn't even a mark.  This is tough paint!

calj737, I'm with you on the rear pattern.  I read somewhere it is one less crossover on the stock wheels / spokes so has a different pattern from the front.  My two wheels have the same pattern.  I'm not sure if this is because they are after market, or maybe I have done it wrong.  I can't see any other way to do it.  I know lacing wheels is a bit of an art form, any "Lacing Guru" advice mush appreciated.  I have them pretension now.  I have built the forks, put brass bearings in the swing arm.  Tomorrow I will put the forks and swing arm on and mount the wheels, see where they are on the true / wonky scale.

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2015, 11:58:53 AM »
I would not use a heat gun, at least not a direct blast.  Curing the paint in an oven is optimal.  The paint will be more resistant to chemicals and road chips.  Since you now have laced wheels, that will be difficult.  Other members have come up with a great option: Place the wheel in a box large enough to encompass it, make a hole in the box to run hot air from a heat gun and seal up the seams.  You can also line the box with aluminum foil.  An hour or so of the hot box should help harden the paint so it is more durable.
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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #80 on: May 01, 2015, 12:06:55 PM »
That's a great tip.  I really like thinking outside the box (so to speak), particularly a solution using the stuff around you to solve a problem.  I'm the sort of guy who likes to come up with my own solutions to problems and hopefully one of my mad experiments helps someone else.

I will give that a go, much appreciated.

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #81 on: May 01, 2015, 01:06:10 PM »
I found an old pic - I took loads when I first got the bike as a reference.  Two inners and two outers cross over to make a diamond pattern, which is what I have now both front and rear.  It could be that it was wrong before and wrong again now.

It was interesting to see a before and after difference.  There was no damage on the wheels though lots of crappy paint and oxidisation to contend with.  The rims required a good rub down with a scotch brite green pad.  I spent a plenty of time doing this until I got rid of all the oxidisation and had a good even matt finish.  I then took it to the bench grinder - stitched cotton wheel with green compound, then loose wheel with green, then finally loose with blue.  A once over with Mothers and they were done. 

I did the spokes the same scotch brite then hit them with a sisal wheel and green compound.  The oxidisation on the spokes was bad, hence the sisal to catch any pitting.  A quick once over with a loose wheel finished it off.  The sisal wheel did most of the work and the spokes looked good.  Not sure if the final spin on the loose wheel was required but did it anyway.

The spoke nuts were the biggest problem.  They are too small to be fiddling about with scotch pads so they went straight to the bench grinder.  Sisal wheel and green compound, held at top and bottom in the teeth of old waterpump pliers (I chose those because the adjustable jaws and worn out teeth were just what I needed).  I just needed to get a shine on them and remove the crud, and the sisal wheel and green compound did the job.  They looked good, so no further polishing required.  I think the nuts are not aluminium, they have a slightly yellow tinge to them.  The oxidisation on them was green so I'm assuming something with copper in the mix.

Two solid days at it and happy with the result, and happy not to do it again for a very long time!
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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #82 on: May 01, 2015, 02:05:37 PM »
Steering head bearing question ... I have tapered bearings from Pyramid Parts.  They don't come with any washers and installation instructions doesn't mention using the original.  Problem is, I can't find the original washer.  Has anyone experience of Pyramid Parts tapered bearings, and if the washer should / shouldn't be installed?  I know All Balls come with a couple of washers - 2mm and 4mm - which has me confused.

It sounds like a small thing, but my belief with caged bearings is to mess around with them as little as possible.  They go on, do their job, and come off when they are worn out.  If anyone has come across this before I would appreciate the heads up.

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #83 on: May 01, 2015, 02:17:40 PM »
I had a set from Pyramid.  When I purchased a new set from All Balls for my next project, I decided to use the AB parts since the "kit" appeared more complete.  Same concerns as yours.
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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #84 on: May 02, 2015, 12:59:37 AM »
I think I will fit them as the manufacturer recommends, without the washer.  It the clearance isn't right I will knock off the bearing and order a set of All Balls.  I will report back on success / failure.

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2015, 01:22:53 PM »
Mixed day today.

The good news, it is finally starting to look like a motorcycle (almost).  It has been a jumble of parts in bags and boxes for too long.  I was delighted to throw a few parts together today so I could see how true my wheels are.  I was very surprised to see the rear was barely 2mm out on first spin.  Tiny bit of up and down so a bit of work to do on that one.  I was concerned about that wheel in particular and not as bad as a feared.  The front had a definite wobble though it was only side to side, no up and down movement at all so should be a straightforward job.  Plan for tomorrow is to true the wheels and get some tyres on, main stand, and it will really start to look like something destined for the road.

The bad, I had a "bearing nightmare" today.  I have been accustomed to smaller bikes and my bearing driver set didn't have anything big enough.  I managed to get two of the three rear on with the 3 / 6 / 9 / 12 tapping with a punch.  I made a mess of the third when accidentally hit the rubber seal and split it.  That's a new bearing and a better set of bearing drivers on order.

I had a bit of fun (not) with the Pyramid Parts Tapered Steering Bearings.  I was not sure if they needed a spacer, as posted previously.  Pyramid Parts instructions say not and I was concerned about this.  I couldn't find the original washer.  As it turned out, it needs a good couple of mm spacer to give enough clearance.  The lower bearing was very tight, far too tight.  I realised if I put the bearing all the way down, and it was wrong, I was never getting it back off.  I didn't want to risk it and decided to reverse course.  The lower bearing was destroyed in the process.  Pyramid Parts, your steering head kit is incomplete and your bearings stink!  All Balls will be ordered.

Some progress, some problems, but it wouldn't be fun without a bit of both.

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2015, 06:32:36 PM »
One of my good guesses!
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #87 on: May 06, 2015, 06:27:54 AM »
I should mention the failed experiments as well as the successful.  I watched a youtube video where a chap used zip ties to squeeze the tyre beads together and put the tyre on in one go.  I hate fitting motorbike tyres, it is a horrible job.  I thought I this would be a short cut.  It wasn't.  Long story short, the recess is not deep enough or wide enough for both beads to squeeze into.  The Avons I'm fitting are stiffer than the stock vintage tyres so don't have enough give in them to be forced over the rim.  So, not a success.  I wasted time and in the end had to put the tyres on old school - tyre irons, sweat and bad language!

The tyres are on and holding air.  I am cleaning up the discs - stripping off the old black paint and generally making presentable.  I am thinking I may not repaint the discs, leave them all stainless.  I will see how they look stripped and decide.  I want to restore the bike to original but I am not a slave to it if small details like that look better to my eye.  For example, I'm going K&N dual filters (two carbs into each) which will look very different from the stock air box, but will be a significant upgrade (I hope) and will look smart too.  I can always add paint in the future if I feel it is needed.

Lots more jobs to do.  The brake calipers are rebuilt but I haven't done the master cylinders yet - that's next.  I still have to paint the crank case halves - clean, paint and hone the cylinders (jugs) - decide which cylinder head I am using (I have 3) and do the necessary on that too - and polish my cylinder head cover.  I have crank case and conrod bearings on order so once those arrive I'm ready for the rebuild.  I have separated all my parts into the correct "department".

I decided to replace as much of the electrics as possible.  I have a new wiring loom - nothing wrong with the old one and everything seemed to work though 40yr old wiring and insulation can't be 100% trusted.

I'm sure there are a few twists and turns to come but I can see the end of the road now.
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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #88 on: May 06, 2015, 08:35:34 AM »
You may want to resurface the rotor to remove the glaze and make sure you have a uniform flat surface.
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #89 on: May 06, 2015, 11:17:48 AM »
The rotors are surprisingly nice for their age.  There appears to be very little wear.  Only one score  of any note on one side of one of the discs.  I assume these discs don't wear like lesser metals because they are stainless steel?  I have a 300cc scooter that is my daily runabout and it eats front discs for fun - I am lucky to get 8000mls out of one (and they ain't cheap).  My plan was to give the discs a good scuff so they would quickly key with the pads.

I poked a hole my rear tube, only found out when I came back from a bit of shopping.  Just a wee hole, but enough to spoil the party.  Anyone any thoughts on puncture repair vs replace tube?  I assume always new tube is better, though this is a new tube and only my unsuitable cheap and nasty tyre lever spoiled it.  It is a shame to throw out a tube with no miles on it.

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #90 on: May 06, 2015, 11:37:43 AM »
Short and sweet advise, that'll do for me!

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #91 on: May 06, 2015, 01:19:26 PM »
Hey Eddie - can I ask how much you're into this project by now... first time builder as well and looking at probably at least what you're doing and then sum

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #92 on: May 06, 2015, 03:01:51 PM »
Hi Bee

Do you mean money or time? 

In terms of time - I bought the bike almost a year to the day planning on getting the bike on the road last summer.  I spent far too much time messing around and not making decisions, the biggest one on whether to split the engine cases and do the full works.  In the end, I did.  I wish I had made that decision immediately.  With the benefit of hindsight, I would recommend just tearing everything down and doing it right.  Do it right, do it once.  I should have the bike on the road by end of June.  That's the plan.

In terms of costs - I would assume a shopping list to get started including:

Primary chains and tensioner
Crank case and conrod bearings (you won't know immediately what colour codes you need by you need 10 crank case and 8 conrod - the colours are irrelevant to price).  There is plenty of good advice on this site on bearings and wear - and get familiar with plastigauge.
Hondabond or equivalent (I have Three Bond)
4x Rings kits
Cam Chain replacement kit (chain, tensioner, guide, etc)
Seal kit
Gasket set (if it doesn't include O'rings and oil seals you will need to get those too)

Do the engine right and you can can make decisions on everything else - use, restore or replace.  For example, my front shocks were usable as they were but I made the decision to replace the tubes, install progressive springs, and keep the original lowers and polish them, new seals and new copper washers of course.  Depends what you want to do.  I would heartily recommend rebuilding brake calipers and master cylinders, even if they appear to work.  If you don't know the history, do the work.  And don't cheap out on the frame - get everything that is supposed to be shiny and black powder coated.  I toyed with the idea of painting myself (more time wasted on that).  Glad I didn't.  Get the engine and frame parts perfect - spend what you need to spend and don't cut corners - the remainder you can make a decision on.  I made the assumption that the electrics could fail at any time so are to be replaced, but that's a personal thing (I have had too many bikes with moody electrics in the past).  I assume all rubber parts are perished or close to perishing so need replaced too.

If you don't already have one, invest in a good quality bench grinder.  Set yourself up with mops and compounds for stainless steel and aluminium.  There are loads of great youtube videos on polishing metals and I spent many hours absorbing information and experimenting with the grinder.  I will do all my aluminium parts myself and there are plenty of steel fixings been done and still to do too.  I have experimented with lots of different paints and the best I have found in VHT engine enamel.  It comes in lots of colours and, if you follow instructions, gives great results out a can.  If you are tearing down the engine then it is worth giving it some fresh paint (if it needs it).  Some parts might be too far gone to polish so a good paint job is essential.  You might try a bit of both - I have attached a pic I posted recently where I polished the outside of my front hub but the inner part was too far gone and got painted instead.  It actually looks very good and I'm glad I did it that way.

There are lots of costs you don't really expect - specialist tools for example.  Honda like their bearing retainer rings and my F1 has three different types, each requiring a specialist tool.  I was lucky to get all three for £33 (about $50).  If you don't have a well stocked garage, expect to pick up tools as you go.

I love that people on this site pick bikes up for under $500 but in the UK I think SOHC4 bikes are much less common.  Finding something worth restoring under £1000 ($1500) is difficult.  I paid the bottom of the scale at £900 for mine.  I think the finished project total will be £2700 with purchase price, parts, powder coating, tools, paint, polishing, sanding and sundries.  I am not that far off that now and I still haven't decided if I am to paint the tank myself or get it done professionally.  I want the work to be of a very high standard.  Going back to what I was saying and making a decision early on tearing the bike down.  There are things you might compromise on, there are things you definitely shouldn't.  One compromise I am happy to make is standard nuts and bolts.  An old Honda will have loads of M6 nuts, washers and bolts in the 12 / 16 / 20 / 25mm range.  I got a pile of stainless steel M6 nuts bolts and washers for not much money.  Throw in some stainless M8 and M10 nuts (hex and flange), washer and spring washers too.  They will last better than the original Honda stuff and for a fraction of the price.  And you will have plenty left over for the next project.  I decided to replace all the bolts on the top of the crank case, the ones that show, but decided to clean and polish the ones underneath.  Standard replacement stuff and getting full use of your bench grinder can save a fortune on fixings.  If you are lucky to live in part of the world where rust is not a problem then you can ignore all that.  In the UK, Scotland in particular, it is a problem.

My CB750 had not moved for 26yrs but was a low mileage bike when it was put into storage.  The engine was free and there were nice bonus items such as aluminium rims and spokes that could be restored, and an aftermarket Motad exhaust that was in very good condition.  Brakes were shot, carbs gummed and tank full of varnish.  However, once the carbs were cleaned, oil changed, points set, she fired right up.  I think I was lucky.  I thought at that point it was going to be easy.  Whatever you think it might take in time and money - it will be more.  If there is anything on the shopping list above you want to remove, you better have a damn good reason.  If you are lucky enough to have bought a bike of known history then you might get away with doing certain jobs.

I don't know if you wanted all that but that's my 2c worth.  Tear it down, do the engine right, do the frame parts right, rebuilt the brakes for safety, replace bushings and bearings on wheels / steering / swing arm, replace everything rubber, buy a bench grinder and learn how to use it.  It is easy enough to price all this up, and anything else that is obviously needing done on your particular machine.   You can then add in a healthy contingency fund for all the stuff you haven't thought of.  Hope that helps!  ;D
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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #93 on: May 06, 2015, 08:28:01 PM »
If it's brand new, I'd give a patch a try.
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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #94 on: May 07, 2015, 10:37:44 AM »
Bought a new tube, seems tubes are easy to come by though no-one wants to sell you a repair kit.  I will order one online and patch the other tube as a spare.  New tube fitted, job done this time (I hope).

Quick query on tyre pressures.  I have fitted Avon Roadriders front and rear and am looking for the best tyre pressure.  There is so much information - fronts ranging from 28 psi to 40 for example.  I plan to be cruising around at relaxed, mostly highway speeds and some twisty turns around Loch Lomond.  I'm 300lb so need to factor in my larger frame.  Any ideas?  I was going to try 30 front and 35 rear though just pulled those numbers out the air.

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« Reply #95 on: May 10, 2015, 12:47:47 PM »
Doing the final preparations for my last engine parts arriving.  That's one half of the crank cases painted, the top half next.  I really like the "hot box" idea suggested and I'm going to treat each case half to their own private sauna.  I appreciate the paint could be baked "in running" though I want the paint 100% during the rebuild, not just after.

I experimented with various cleaning methods and found a hobby tool mini wire brush the most effective, the little paint brush style.  There was a fair amount of oxidisation under the horrible paint the engine had on it.  Once I had it looking the way I wanted, I vacuum cleaned thoroughly, then a couple of wiped downs with acetone to ensure a clean surface.  VHT Engine Enamel again - I love that stuff.  I have already done the sump pan and oil filter housing so know it will look good.  You have to be very clumsy to get runs.  Just follow the instructions on the can and you can't go wrong.

I have set myself a challenge to finish the project in 6wks.  Hopefully I will get there, one job at a time.  :D

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« Reply #96 on: May 16, 2015, 12:05:48 PM »
I finally got the All Ball steering head bearings and they are fitted.  It is a much better kit than Pyramid and worth spending the little extra on.  A few other wee jobs getting done.  I have dismantled my seat.  The seat pan is rotten so a new seat is required.  I had a feeling that might be the case and it was in the budget anyway. 

I have attached a couple of pics of my foot pegs.  I had the metal parts powdercoated and ordered in all the little metal bits that were rusted.  The new rubber arrived in the same package as the All Balls so did that little job too.  I'm very pleased with them.  If I approach every job with attention to details then the overall finish will be what I want. 

More work to be done this weekend ... lots of jobs.

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« Reply #97 on: May 25, 2015, 02:17:34 PM »
Finally got round to the 2nd half of the crank cases today.  I love the VHT paint, goes on lovely and looks great.  Very impressed.  My last parts order should be with me tomorrow and the engine rebuilt will begin next weekend.  Same as last time, most of the time spent was in prep.  I got all the old crappy paint off with my favourite stripper, parts cleaner and acetone to clean it up, 320 grit sand paper and green scotch brite pad did most of the work getting rid of the old grime  and oxidisation under the paint, couple of washes with acetone, then ready for paint.  It is worth it to spend the time.  The painting was easy after all that.

I will be watching videos and reading up this week in preparation for the build.  I have never build an engine from the ground up so want to be sure I don't mess up.  Any tips much appreciated.  :)

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« Reply #98 on: May 30, 2015, 11:52:44 AM »
A few pics of the rolling chassis.  I got some cheap rear shocks which will do until I make a decision on something else.  I like the classic Hagons though haven't decided yet.  Any suggestions appreciated.

So far so good, the parts that are done are looking good.  The engine is next and I'm looking forward to getting it done!

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Re: CB750 F1 Restoration Project - not for the faint hearted
« Reply #99 on: June 06, 2015, 07:01:53 PM »
Finally got round to the 2nd half of the crank cases today.  I love the VHT paint, goes on lovely and looks great.  Very impressed.  My last parts order should be with me tomorrow and the engine rebuilt will begin next weekend.  Same as last time, most of the time spent was in prep.  I got all the old crappy paint off with my favourite stripper, parts cleaner and acetone to clean it up, 320 grit sand paper and green scotch brite pad did most of the work getting rid of the old grime  and oxidisation under the paint, couple of washes with acetone, then ready for paint.  It is worth it to spend the time.  The painting was easy after all that.

I will be watching videos and reading up this week in preparation for the build.  I have never build an engine from the ground up so want to be sure I don't mess up.  Any tips much appreciated.  :)

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