Topic: At least Valvoline is trying to help!

[PeWe]

I'm in the process of ordering Red Line motorcycle oil, 20W-50. Maybe one bottle of 20W-60 too when they had only 3bottles (almost 3 liter) in stock 2500ppm zinc.... http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=110
I hope clutch and gearbox will behave better. The ester based synthetic will fit my very warm engine too, 100-120C.

I'll report the result... hopefully smooth clutch without slip and smooth gear shifts, finding neautral when warm/hot.

[ofreen]

And then there's Spectro -

http://www.spectro-oils.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/HD-vs-Comp-Oil.pdf

[HondaMan]

And then there's Spectro -

http://www.spectro-oils.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/HD-vs-Comp-Oil.pdf

Thanks, O'freen! I think I may have a go at the Spectro 20w50 next, if I can find some around here.

[Lostboy Steve]

So far, I am not impressed with this Valvoline in my 750. When cold it's OK, but when hot I have trouble with shifting into 1st gear (that's a new one! Never had that before) and it hangs partway into 3rd unless I'm REAL deliberate with the shift. It has about 100 miles on it so far. Next I will try adding some ZDDP to see if it improves: if so, we'll know where the issue lies...

The included ZINC/Phos not enough in this valvoline 4stroke MC 20w50?
What will the added ZDDP tell you/us if the issues continue?

sorry about the ufcking gas thieves   

If adding the ZDDP doesn't help, it means the detergent is high enough that it is washing the plates on the clutch, causing drag. I kinda expect this is the issue, since it took about 25 miles before the sticky-shift problem appeared. The Castrol 4T I had in it before was better, but it doesn't have the long-chain plymer strength it used to have when it was mineral-based oil, so when it gets hot it thins out more than it used to, and power drops off. This indicates the bearings and pistons skirts are dragging a bit.

I should caveat all this with: I've ridden all but about 15 of the 140,000+ miles this bike has on it, so it and I are closer than my wife and I, even... I know EVERYTHING about this particular 750K2, even its 'moods'.  Thus, it makes a great baseline from which to test this stuff.
 

lol I find machines make better soul mates anyway.

[grcamna2]

So far, I am not impressed with this Valvoline in my 750. When cold it's OK, but when hot I have trouble with shifting into 1st gear (that's a new one! Never had that before) and it hangs partway into 3rd unless I'm REAL deliberate with the shift. It has about 100 miles on it so far. Next I will try adding some ZDDP to see if it improves: if so, we'll know where the issue lies...

The included ZINC/Phos not enough in this valvoline 4stroke MC 20w50?
What will the added ZDDP tell you/us if the issues continue?

sorry about the ufcking gas thieves   

If adding the ZDDP doesn't help, it means the detergent is high enough that it is washing the plates on the clutch, causing drag. I kinda expect this is the issue, since it took about 25 miles before the sticky-shift problem appeared. The Castrol 4T I had in it before was better, but it doesn't have the long-chain plymer strength it used to have when it was mineral-based oil, so when it gets hot it thins out more than it used to, and power drops off. This indicates the bearings and pistons skirts are dragging a bit.

I should caveat all this with: I've ridden all but about 15 of the 140,000+ miles this bike has on it, so it and I are closer than my wife and I, even... I know EVERYTHING about this particular 750K2, even its 'moods'.  Thus, it makes a great baseline from which to test this stuff.
 

lol I find machines make better soul mates anyway.

I've always hoped that the cycles would learn to drive themselves in to my shop for repair w/ cash under the seat and a note stating 'my owner doesn't have a clue so PLEASE Fix me the right way !'   sometimes it helps to imagine.....    

[HondaMan]

So far, I am not impressed with this Valvoline in my 750. When cold it's OK, but when hot I have trouble with shifting into 1st gear (that's a new one! Never had that before) and it hangs partway into 3rd unless I'm REAL deliberate with the shift. It has about 100 miles on it so far. Next I will try adding some ZDDP to see if it improves: if so, we'll know where the issue lies...

The included ZINC/Phos not enough in this valvoline 4stroke MC 20w50?
What will the added ZDDP tell you/us if the issues continue?

sorry about the ufcking gas thieves   

If adding the ZDDP doesn't help, it means the detergent is high enough that it is washing the plates on the clutch, causing drag. I kinda expect this is the issue, since it took about 25 miles before the sticky-shift problem appeared. The Castrol 4T I had in it before was better, but it doesn't have the long-chain plymer strength it used to have when it was mineral-based oil, so when it gets hot it thins out more than it used to, and power drops off. This indicates the bearings and pistons skirts are dragging a bit.

I should caveat all this with: I've ridden all but about 15 of the 140,000+ miles this bike has on it, so it and I are closer than my wife and I, even... I know EVERYTHING about this particular 750K2, even its 'moods'.  Thus, it makes a great baseline from which to test this stuff.
 

lol I find machines make better soul mates anyway.

I've always hoped that the cycles would learn to drive themselves in to my shop for repair w/ cash under the seat and a note stating 'my owner doesn't have a clue so PLEASE Fix me the right way !'   sometimes it helps to imagine.....    

I hear THAT!

While we're on the dreams: I can't wait to "retire", when I will have a garage to work in and Hondas as far as the eye can see, to work on...