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Offline alanshark

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CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« on: July 30, 2014, 07:37:38 AM »
My bike won't start if its on the kickstand, only when it is sitting up right.  It also cuts off when Im riding and lean to the left during a left a left turn.  This only happens when the bike is tilted to the left side.  Any ideas of what might be causing this?

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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2014, 07:41:26 AM »
Never really heard that one before. What year is it, is the petcock for the gas tank on the right side ?  What all have you done to it since owning it ?

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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2014, 12:20:57 PM »
Enough fuel in tank?

Problem with petcock? This will not be visible direct when float bowls should have fuel for a while if the level in them is OK.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2014, 12:43:31 PM »
 Could there be a loose/broken wire in the headlight harness? Check to see if the plastic covering is brittle and causing stress to the wires.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2014, 01:07:23 PM »
I'd be inclined (no pun intended!) to disconnect the fuel pipe at the petcock, replace with a longer piece of pipe into a bottle and turn on the gas. If the flow stops when you lean the bike over then it's a problem with the petcock. If it doesn't, you need to look elsewhere.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2014, 04:59:50 PM »
Does it happen (cutting out) slowly, or like an on-off switch?
If slow, gas.  If immediate, electrical.  Would be my guess.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2014, 07:20:36 PM »
Hopefully we will hear back when he turns to the right again  ;D  ;D

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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2014, 03:30:42 AM »
My guess?...fuel/float level too low.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2014, 03:59:06 AM »
If it's the late model with ign switch between the gauges, it's likely the ign switch base losing contact when the bars go left.

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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2014, 05:48:17 AM »
Sometimes I have to turn my handlebars to the right for it to crank.  Sitting straight uo the lights work the bike will run but you cannot use the starter.  The connection between the ignition and that first can easly be the problem.

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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2014, 09:58:42 AM »
My ignition switch is between the gauges and I think it may be the ignition switch base losing contact when the bars go to the left.  How can I fix this?

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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2014, 10:23:50 AM »
Just had an interestingly similar (but opposite) problem on my buddy's CL350.  Turning to the right causes it to rev through the roof, turned out to be the trottle cable getting pulled tight.  Possibly a similar issue?
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2014, 10:27:20 AM »
My ignition switch is between the gauges and I think it may be the ignition switch base losing contact when the bars go to the left.  How can I fix this?

I read about replacing the switch, they get sloppy after 30 or so years.  Take the switch out and you will see, this cutting off gotta leave some marks on wires.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2014, 03:52:43 PM »
Emgo sells a switch base but steer clear, they're junk. Honda used to offer the base separately but I'm not sure it's still available. If you do need to replace the switch keep in mind your new key won't work in the other locks.

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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2014, 04:33:44 PM »
Emgo sells a switch base but steer clear, they're junk. Honda used to offer the base separately but I'm not sure it's still available. If you do need to replace the switch keep in mind your new key won't work in the other locks.

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When I first got my F2 it's original switch fell apart so I got an Emgo. The Emgo worked OK I guess but it wouldn't stay fastened and kept popping loose, I was lucky enough to find another original switch on my shelves that came off a 77 750k parts bike and it has been working fine since.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2014, 04:35:35 PM »
I once had a van that died whenever you made a right turn. The float bowl would slosh into the throat and drown the engine!
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2014, 06:29:03 PM »
I had lawn tractor that would go straight or to the right, never left, the front axle was twisted :)

Also we had a tank in the army that would shut off driving down the hill. We never figured that one out, made for some intense moments too :)
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2014, 09:11:26 PM »
A friend had a shop, lady came in and said every morning my Honda dies at the 4 way stop.  He said, don't go that way.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2014, 11:09:33 PM »
Keep leaning and turning right so your bike don't shut off???
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2014, 04:54:48 AM »
A friend of mine had a 69 mustang that used to die EVERY time he crossed ONE
PARTICULAR rail road crossing. It would ALWAYS instantly restart. (luckily) ;D They replaced every part they could think of on
the thing that could've been the cause, to no avail. Finally an experienced mechanic
who my friend worked with suggested they put the car on the lift with the engine running. They hammered on the inner structure of the engine bay with a rubber
hub cap hammer. They finally found the problem, as the thing died when the
hammer thumping got close to the right front of the engine bay, where the $5
old style ford starter relay was mounted. Replaced starter relay, and all was well.
 Kinda repeating what everyone's already written, but I'd do a wiggle test on the components and wiring with it running :)
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2014, 01:00:53 PM »
My bike won't start if its on the kickstand, only when it is sitting up right.  It also cuts off when Im riding and lean to the left during a left a left turn.  This only happens when the bike is tilted to the left side.  Any ideas of what might be causing this?

This is a real long shot, as Honda recalled and removed these on the K2 in early 1973: there were a very few (that I saw) 750K2 with a sidestand switch. This was tied in with the clutch switch and the Neutral light to enable electric start only when the bike was "safe". When the sidestand was up, the electric start was enabled (or if in Neutral, or if the clutch was pulled in more than 3/4" at the end of the lever...). But...the switch was in a vulnerable spot, frequently got broken or wet, and failed. If it was smashed, and if the frame was bare, the starter was always enabled to operate (Oh, NO! Can't have THAT!). The distinguishing mark of these bikes is: their electric start solenoid also has 4 connections on the top, and also the 2 Yel/Red and Grn/Red wires. The extra terminals were in line with the headlight, so it cut out the headlight when the Start button pulled in the solenoid.

The catch? If the sidestand switch is crushed and the bare wire is touching the pivot bolt of the sidestand, the electric start is disabled. So, if you then leaned the bike upright or toward the right and the wire moved away from the bolt, it would start...

But, supposedly 100% of these bikes were recalled and the sidestand switch removed, along with the 4-post Start solenoid. Ya never know, though...?
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2014, 02:57:49 PM »
I am amazed yet again.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2014, 06:17:32 PM »
The world of mechanical wonders is fascinating.

My dad made his living as scientist in Institute of engineering research; they had this case of turboprop airplane blades breaking - always the third one. The reason was they were hand sanded and the toolmaker would take new sand paper for every third blade.
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2014, 10:59:42 PM »
The world of mechanical wonders is fascinating.

My dad made his living as scientist in Institute of engineering research; they had this case of turboprop airplane blades breaking - always the third one. The reason was they were hand sanded and the toolmaker would take new sand paper for every third blade.

I've got another one for ya...

In 1995 I was working on building a fast machine that loaded catheters onto syringes (for inserting IVs into people in hospitals). This machine had to snatch 4 catheters at once, whip around 90 degrees and place them onto some (moving) needles on a conveyor, and on the return trip grab the bar the needles were in and place it 180 degrees opposite the loading site, onto an exiting conveyor. This all had to happen in 2.8 seconds. So, we picked a fast servomotor system from Allen-Bradley, the "King of PLCs" (i.e., industrial computers) in those days.

I programmed day and night for 6 weeks, trying to make the servo move. It would not. Numerous calls to Tech Support told me to do what I was already doing, leaving them baffled. Finally, angry, I called their "hit men" that they call the Global Tech Support Team, then $500 per day (1995 dollars!) to have them come from Allen-Bradley to fix your problems. I told them that if they could fix it, I'd pay it, but if not, I'd ram it up their A$$. They laughed at me on the phone, then sent one guy out.

Three days later, they had 2 guys out.
Next day, there were 3 guys, and they wouldn't even talk to me.
On the 5th day, they asked to use my phone to call Allen-Bradley, so I said 'Sure". After 3 hours of calls, the first guy who came out called me over and said, "You won't believe me if I tell you, so talk to this guy at Allen-Bradley yourself for the explanation." He handed me the phone: at the other end was a kid (he was 23 years old, a Senior Design Engineer - ?). He explained how he had just come from college to Allen-Bradley (when he was 21, graduated early, apparently a 'genius') and his first assignment was to build the servo module I was using. The specs called for a set of 24 instructions to be built into the firmware, including the sharp acceleration interrupt commands I was needing to make this fast machine work in time. He then explained how, after 5 months, the management came to his desk and told him he was done, despite the fact that he had only so far made 4 of the 24 instructions work up to that point. They put the module into Production, and sold it with a manual stating that ALL of the instructions were in there, "Just do [thus and so] and the motor will respond".

Not.

I didn't pay them, and I REALLY enjoyed ramming those servos and modules up their... I even got 20% EXTRA back on the refund. The next Monday, I ordered a Compumotor brand servo, installed it that Wednesday, and shipped the machine Thursday. (Yes, I do this for a living, don't attempt this at home...)

In much of industry since the mid-1990s, there are astounding numbers of these events occurring. People like me, who build machines with robots, computers, PLCs, blur-fast movements, and usually load explosives, noxious liquids and gases, dangerous materials and [occasionally] women's cosmetics, have come under amazing pressures the last 20 years to make this crap work. Today (2014) I would estimate that nearly 20% of it does not even function as advertised, which brings on things like the massive GM car recalls and food recalls that we all hear about. It really makes me wonder what will happen when the aging group of guys like me retire?
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Re: CB750 cuts off when its tilted to the left?
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2014, 04:41:45 AM »
I love happy endings :)

Interesting though. We were bit behind on the other side of the fence - computer embargos and the overall lack of development in electronics.

I remember in internship seeing needle production center being build and debugged - it was all mechanical and hard (as steel cams and levers) programmed.  Fascinating mechanics, I guess all is electronic nowadays.
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