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Offline ApacheRose

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Squeeky Front Brake
« on: March 19, 2015, 08:46:29 AM »
Hi all, I have a 1972 CB500F and my front brake is squeeking pretty bad. It use to only be sometimes and my mechanic said it could be a host of reasons including weather/humidity, but that it wasn't bad enough to worry about. However now its very noticeable everytime I come to a stop, so I need to do something about it.

Can anyone help or have any advice?

Thanks!
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Re: Squeeky Front Break
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2015, 08:53:24 AM »
Its a common issue, but one that can be remedied.
deglaze your rotor and or cross drill it.
service your caliper - new brake pads (chamfered), pad backer teflon disc, high temp silicon grease where necessary.
ensure the metal backer of the brake pad is sanded of the excess paint, and fits without binding.
Properly align and gap the stationary pad.

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Re: Squeeky Front Break
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2015, 08:54:34 AM »
Not much you can do. Clean the rotor maybe deglaze it with fine emery cloth. Scuff the pads with sand paper or just replace them with OEM. I always adjust the caliper by removing it from the arm with the two large bolts, aligning the arm with the rotor then installing new pads and tightening everything up. It will be good for a while but they always end up squeaking eventually. I've heard drilling the rotor helps.
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Re: Squeeky Front Break
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2015, 09:19:57 AM »
Just to bug my friends last fall before putting up my 750 I would/could actually play songs on my front brake when slowing to a slow stop.  :D   Good for a few smiles. Hopefully better this spring after a little attention.
PS- Its spelled brake not break   ;)  unless you break your brake  :)
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Re: Squeeky Front Break
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2015, 09:31:12 AM »
Just to bug my friends last fall before putting up my 750 I would/could actually play songs on my front brake when slowing to a slow stop.  :D   Good for a few smiles. Hopefully better this spring after a little attention.
PS- Its spelled brake not break   ;)  unless you break your brake  :)
They never had to look behind to see if you kept up w the group  ;D
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Re: Squeeky Front Break
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2015, 10:26:22 AM »
i alvays breake my brakes. bu use my chlutch clutsh..but thats the vay vikings do it... :P...
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 11:37:25 AM »
Hey all, this is helpful, and I fixed my typo* so thanks!

Anyone
Its a common issue, but one that can be remedied.
deglaze your rotor and or cross drill it.
service your caliper - new brake pads (chamfered), pad backer teflon disc, high temp silicon grease where necessary.
ensure the metal backer of the brake pad is sanded of the excess paint, and fits without binding.
Properly align and gap the stationary pad.


what do you mean by cross drill the rotor? Thanks.
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2015, 11:55:07 AM »
Hey all, this is helpful, and I fixed my typo* so thanks!

Anyone
Its a common issue, but one that can be remedied.
deglaze your rotor and or cross drill it.
service your caliper - new brake pads (chamfered), pad backer teflon disc, high temp silicon grease where necessary.
ensure the metal backer of the brake pad is sanded of the excess paint, and fits without binding.
Properly align and gap the stationary pad.


what do you mean by cross drill the rotor? Thanks.

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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2015, 11:56:03 AM »

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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2015, 12:25:57 PM »
Drilled rotors might not make the difference (as in my case). Clean the inside of the brake pads of any dust, and apply a small amount of brake pads silicon lubricant, or so-called Brake Anti Squeal Paste. For obvious reasons, only use a small amount.

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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2015, 12:46:12 PM »
Drilled rotors didn't help me either including rebuilding the whole front brake system. I just learned to live with it
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2015, 12:58:47 PM »
Unbelievably I managed to stop mine  :) for how long I don't know.
I rebuilt the master cylinder and calliper used a small amount of ACF50 grease on the back of the pads,scuff and chamfer the pads and cross hatch the disc with scratch.Make sure the mounting pivot moves freely.

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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2015, 01:28:20 PM »
Before I even got interested in owning a SOHC4 I searched the internet for a way to stop my 72 Kawasaki H1B from singing, tried everything and nothing worked. I felt like Quint from Jaws scratching his nails on the chalkboard everywhere that bike went, definitely wasn't a chick magnet thing like loud pipes on a Harley.  ;D

 Finally came upon a thread in this forum, can't locate it now but it said to 45 degree chamfer the leading edge of the pads and to cut a line parallel to the road into the pads, or something like that. I did both and haven't had a problem.
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2015, 09:47:20 PM »
I'm surprised at how much frustration there seems to be with this noise issue. When I first started the rehab on my '78 550K the front brake was screaming like a banshee at every slight touch of the lever. Scuffed the glaze on both sides of the rotor with emery cloth. Pulled the caliper and popped out the pads. Cleaned out the caliper and thoroughly coated the back sides of the pads and edges with brake anti-squeak compound that I got at Pep Boys. Hasn't been a sound out of them since.
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2015, 01:27:18 AM »
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When I first started the rehab on my '78 550K the front brake was sceaming like a banshee at every slight touch of the lever.

So, what do we have so far?
We have 'squeeking', 'squeaking', 'sceaming', earlier on we had 'screaming', 'squealing', 'squealing like a pig'.
Now what is it?! Bear in mind that some people are only here to pick up a few words of English e-ven-tu-al-ly. Please have mercy. You do have schools, don't you? Schools are a great invention. Recommended.
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2015, 03:42:50 AM »
This stuff works every time. You put it on the back of the brake pad.




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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2015, 03:43:50 AM »
A dollop of copper paste under each pad
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2015, 05:07:05 AM »
This stuff works every time. You put it on the back of the brake pad.




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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2015, 07:41:56 AM »
This stuff works every time. You put it on the back of the brake pad.




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just curious, but why not? It goes on hte back of the pad just like all the other anti-brake squeal stuff.

I think the quality of the pad has a lot to do with it. I found that either OEM honda or EBC or DIADO SAFE'D seem to work good too. I've bought three sets of them on EBAY and had minimal squeal. Someone on the board a long time ago pointed them out to me.

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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2015, 10:44:15 AM »
if you take a almost new pad ,,and thek the vear..you can see that only 50% of the pad are in kontakt to the disc.


.its the not orginal brake pads. vho makes the problems

.they not can kompensate for the caliber not move parelel to the disc...but after it are veared inn(some month driving) it gets full kontakt to the disc and the vibrasion are gone..
so vaiting are the best vay to crack the problem..
or bay some real good brake pads..vith raund  backsides. (or a tap in center).to fit the nylon spacer..like  cb750 uses
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2015, 10:56:56 AM »
I'm surprised at how much frustration there seems to be with this noise issue. When I first started the rehab on my '78 550K the front brake was screaming like a banshee at every slight touch of the lever. Scuffed the glaze on both sides of the rotor with emery cloth. Pulled the caliper and popped out the pads. Cleaned out the caliper and thoroughly coated the back sides of the pads and edges with brake anti-squeak compound that I got at Pep Boys. Hasn't been a sound out of them since.

Thanks, RevDoc, this is helpful. Any idea what size grit I should use for the emory cloth? What did you use to clean the caliper? Thanks again.

Also, can anyone point me in the direction to instructions on how to remove roto, caliper, and brake pads?

Thanks!
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2015, 11:28:33 AM »
A long time ago, a car guy told me that brake noise is caused by vibration. A lot of things can cause it, looseness in any component can set it up.
The remedy, he claimed, was to find the cause, or absorb the vibration. The disc brake quiet on the back of the pads is a good starting point, as it's
sole purpose is to absorb vibration. Pad material affects things as well. Pad glaze and Stainless rotors don't help things either.
Some guys sand the pads and add a chamfer to the edges. Some saw a cut in the pad to get rid of gasses that build between the pad and rotor during braking. Properly adjusted calipers help. They can only be adjusted properly if they are completely free to operate in the intended manner. Un pitted pistons, caliper hinge free with no loose parts, master cyl that works as intended, and hoses that don't swell when pressure is applied.... One thing I don't understand are the claims that a stock 750 has the inability to lock the front brake. My k4 stocker did it, as long as the brakes were dry, with Honda pads. A scary experience, but it could do it if you hit it quick and hard. Don't have pics, but I did a high sider once back in my younger days because of it. Learned from that experience.
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2015, 11:36:43 AM »
I'm surprised at how much frustration there seems to be with this noise issue. When I first started the rehab on my '78 550K the front brake was screaming like a banshee at every slight touch of the lever. Scuffed the glaze on both sides of the rotor with emery cloth. Pulled the caliper and popped out the pads. Cleaned out the caliper and thoroughly coated the back sides of the pads and edges with brake anti-squeak compound that I got at Pep Boys. Hasn't been a sound out of them since.

Thanks, RevDoc, this is helpful. Any idea what size grit I should use for the emory cloth? What did you use to clean the caliper? Thanks again.

Also, can anyone point me in the direction to instructions on how to remove roto, caliper, and brake pads?

Thanks!
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Re: Squeeky Front Brake
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2015, 12:50:43 PM »
I'm surprised at how much frustration there seems to be with this noise issue. When I first started the rehab on my '78 550K the front brake was screaming like a banshee at every slight touch of the lever. Scuffed the glaze on both sides of the rotor with emery cloth. Pulled the caliper and popped out the pads. Cleaned out the caliper and thoroughly coated the back sides of the pads and edges with brake anti-squeak compound that I got at Pep Boys. Hasn't been a sound out of them since.

Thanks, RevDoc, this is helpful. Any idea what size grit I should use for the emory cloth? What did you use to clean the caliper? Thanks again.

Also, can anyone point me in the direction to instructions on how to remove roto, caliper, and brake pads?

Thanks!
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