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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2017, 11:06:54 AM »
TwoTired has given a good explanation.
While it may not make sense, the ignition system works better with the 10K resistance.
It makes no difference how you get to 10K, maybe "R" plugs and 5K caps or non "R" plugs and 10K caps.
Again, this is not a MAJOR performance difference but a subtle one that, combined with other correct settings, will make for an overall improvement in starting and running.
Maybe a cleaner combustion with less carbon making a mess with piston crown, chamber and valves/seats, less fuel consumption and better smell? ;)
If carbs are fouling plugs or ignition wrong it will shure not be noticed.
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2017, 12:37:39 PM »
TT,

I wasn't sure an engineer would be able to understand my "simplified" explanation. LOL  ;D

Thanks for your help once again. 
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2017, 12:56:50 PM »
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While it may not make sense, the ignition system works better with the 10K resistance.
It makes no difference how you get to 10K, maybe "R" plugs and 5K caps or non "R" plugs and 10K caps.
That's quite a statement. How can you be so sure?
One of the best manuals on our models is in French. It was put together in close operation with Honda France. Their advice was to toss plugcaps that read 8kΩ or more. Although I have never found any document that specified the resistance of stock plugcaps (unused ofcourse), I have the feeling they never came standard with more than 7kΩ noise suppression. We could ask CSMNL or DS to measure for us the plugcaps they have in stock and probably no one buys (prices varying from $ 24 to $ 36 a piece http://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/parts/by-part-number/hpart_30701323622/)
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Again, this is not a MAJOR performance difference but a subtle one that, combined with other correct settings, will make for an overall improvement in starting and running.
I wish I could like you tell when something is a MAJOR difference and when it is a subtle one but I'm afraid I am too insensitive and will have to wait and see a (since long desired by me) comparison in burning time between an ignition system run with 5kΩ and 10kΩ noise suppression.
For now my advice remains either to have 5kΩ NGK caps or 5kΩ resistor plugs to be on the safe side. Bear in mind that over time all plugcaps increase their resistance and by starting with 10kΩ in total you have approached the limit already.
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2017, 01:59:35 PM »
i know 76 750 and on caps are supposed to show 10,000 ohms of resistance.

They are?  :o I got the coils from 4into1 and the kit came with SD05F and VD05F caps. I don't think NGK even makes 10k ohm caps anymore.

Don't think it really matters anyway, aren't resistor caps just for EM interference?

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2017, 02:00:21 PM »
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2017, 04:37:59 PM »

Don't think it really matters anyway, aren't resistor caps just for EM interference?

...Like carburetors are on the bike so the air filters have a place to hang on the engine.
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2017, 04:49:55 PM »

Don't think it really matters anyway, aren't resistor caps just for EM interference?

...Like carburetors are on the bike so the air filters have a place to hang on the engine.

I honestly can't find anything saying otherwise...can you elaborate then?

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2017, 07:00:29 PM »

Don't think it really matters anyway, aren't resistor caps just for EM interference?

...Like carburetors are on the bike so the air filters have a place to hang on the engine.

I honestly can't find anything saying otherwise...can you elaborate then?
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2017, 08:30:35 PM »
TT,

I wasn't sure an engineer would be able to understand my "simplified" explanation. LOL  ;D

Thanks for your help once again.

Jerry,

All my test equipment and reference material is 750 miles away.  ::)
But, I did find this on the interweb showing how series resistance alters waveform edge rise and fall times.  Maybe you will find it interesting (has pretty colors, right?)   ;D

The red trace is the unconditioned waveform.  The other feint traces are the waveforms with added resistances.  This happens to be a clock stream from a digital system where the rise and fall times must be softened to reduce on board cross talk, radiated emissions, as well as lower the harmonic frequency content of the waveform as it travels down around the circuit board.  But, the series resistance selections results are easily seen with the dimmer waveforms.  In this case a midrange resistance value was selected rather than the extremes shown.

This sort of stuff was part of my job when designing circuit boards for production and consumer use.  The goal was always to get it to work right on the very first iteration of the board.  You should see the calculations/formulas needed to try and predict those waveforms.  Such is the high tech world.
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2017, 12:42:57 AM »
Far from being an expert, I have always asked myself: is it really AC we're dealing with here? Well, it's certainly not DC, but it also isn't AC as I know it. Reason I ask: there is polarity. This can be demonstrated by holding graphite like a pencil in between an HTlead and the engine and some of you have already experienced this when the timing light malfunctioned due to the induction sensor clamped on reversed. Also in graphics we do not see the sinus go all the way under to the other side. So is there besides the category DC, AC a category shall we say 'lightning', or hors categorie as the French would say? Now I know about plasma, ionisation and all that, but I am still curious to know where the spark is initiated in our wasted spark system. I myself have always stated that initial voltage is determined only by the electrode gap and the harsh 'atmospheric' conditions in the combustion chamber, but... is it? I mean the latter. If we move over to the adjacent cylinder where the spark is 'wasted'. In that cylinder on its exhaust stroke are no 'atmospheric' conditions to speak of and it requires only a meager 2–3 kV to fire that one. So maybe a dumb question, but seen in time: which cylinder acts as the 'master' and which one is the 'slave'? Some years ago someone posted a slowmo film of what happens inside a cylinder of a combustion engine. It was quite impressive and, if my memory serves me well, it was not an animation but the real thing happening. Haven't found it back yet.
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2017, 01:49:15 AM »
When reading all these posts I start to think about Hondaman's explanation about CB750 changes during the years. Different carb jetting and ignition advance.
How plugs were known to foul, need of plugs with longer electrode and EPA with regulations about emissions etc.

I have NGK D8EA in right now and it work fine. I have a set of NGK DR8ES-L to test. DENSO X24ES-U is also in stock together with NGK and Denso Irridium plugs. (Denso IX24 Iridium was colder than D8EA in my engine when it had 836)

My CB750 K6 has: Dynatek 5 ohm coils, Points w Hondaman ign module. NGK 5 kohm caps.
Wires: wire wound conductor, like a long coil.
http://www.gsparkplug.com/7mm-ht-ignition-lead-cable-high-resistance-kevlar-core-high-temp-cable-red.html

No capacitors since one of them caused additional bangs when it should not. Better without when I do not trust the function. (NOS TEC)

I have to get all 4 cyl to color plugs same first. cyl 2 has been much leaner than the other. Maybe dirt in pilot circuit. Last run was with fuel screw more open (sprayed with carb clean before w screw out) and 1 step larger main. I'll see if color is darker so I can reduce main back. (Carbs are Mikuni TMR32 that has pilot/fuel mix screw on the engine side of throttle)

Will I notice a difference?
NGK D8EA   http://www.gsparkplug.com/1x-ngk-copper-core-spark-plug-d8ea-2120.html?___SID=U
NGK DR8EA      http://www.gsparkplug.com/1x-ngk-copper-core-spark-plug-dr8es-5423.html
NGK DR8ES-L   http://www.gsparkplug.com/1x-ngk-copper-core-spark-plug-dr8es-l-dr8esl-2923.html

Denso X24ES-U 
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Denso X24ESR-U
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I read that the NGK DR8ES-L is a half step warmer than DR8ES

Iridium are generally colder or for harder use?
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NGK DR8EIX http://www.gsparkplug.com/1x-ngk-iridium-ix-spark-plug-dr8eix-6681.html?___SID=U

Ok, which plug will work best? 
Or which plug will correct what?
Maybe dependent of fuel and grade of tuning + the caps resistance + coils :) 
If plug show slightly rich but runs fine, the -L plug will be the choice?
Or the amount of ethanol in the fuel? We get around 5% in Sweden. My bike get Shell V-Power fuel.

A box of each?  ;D
EDIT: Found a post by Hondaman that need to be here to get the info together http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,77832.msg869100.html#msg869100
The D8ES was a "Super-wide heat range" sparkplug. The EPA made NGK discontinue these in the early 1990s. Their replacement was the D8EA, a colder plug by about 1/4 heat range step.

The D8ES-L (now defunct, except in the resistor version DR8ES-L) has a Longer tip (i.e., Extended Tip) to help burn off deposits.

The superior plug is the Nippon Denso X24ES-U, which is a little hotter than the D8EA and idea for the CB750, especially with alcohol-laced fuels. It has an even more extended tip, with a smaller ceramic nose, which was designed expressly for the CB750, circa 1974.


I see that there are different experiences of the spark plugs. Fuel and country seems to have a factor too.
I have also experience of  quick fouling plugs when using Nippon Denso back in the 80's. My bike only wanted NGK D8E something. DR8E something was OK as well.

I'll see how my engine will like the Denso plugs now. Will try the NGK DR8ES-L I have first. Today different fuels.

I look forward to a huge and complete Oil thread too so we can sort everything out once for all.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
At least until a new plug or oil will be available that our bikes can use in a better way than before.

Finalised threads to be sticked on top of the forum.
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2017, 04:58:01 AM »

Don't think it really matters anyway, aren't resistor caps just for EM interference?

...Like carburetors are on the bike so the air filters have a place to hang on the engine.

They gotta go somewhere :))

Drumstyx, TT explains the nature of higher resistance equaling longer spark duration above.

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2017, 12:15:31 PM »

Don't think it really matters anyway, aren't resistor caps just for EM interference?

...Like carburetors are on the bike so the air filters have a place to hang on the engine.

They gotta go somewhere :))

Drumstyx, TT explains the nature of higher resistance equaling longer spark duration above.

Duration I can see, but as for smoothing the wave -- that matters in digital signals, I can't see it mattering too much in what is essentially a huge voltage dump -- we kind of want crazy power spikes there.

Of course, spark duration is indeed an ignition spec, so I'm sure the engineers knew what they were doing. All I meant to say is it'll probably run just fine without. When you can though, of course match things up.

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2017, 12:33:25 PM »
...it'll probably run just fine without.

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2017, 02:05:02 PM »
Duration I can see, but as for smoothing the wave -- that matters in digital signals, I can't see it mattering too much in what is essentially a huge voltage dump -- we kind of want crazy power spikes there.

Could you explain why you think that is so?  Do you have a technically or scientifically based reason for wanting "crazy power spikes"?
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2017, 02:15:25 PM »
Duration I can see, but as for smoothing the wave -- that matters in digital signals, I can't see it mattering too much in what is essentially a huge voltage dump -- we kind of want crazy power spikes there.

Could you explain why you think that is so?  Do you have a technically or scientifically based reason for wanting "crazy power spikes"?

The more power, the bigger the spark, no?

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2017, 02:33:57 PM »
Duration I can see, but as for smoothing the wave -- that matters in digital signals, I can't see it mattering too much in what is essentially a huge voltage dump -- we kind of want crazy power spikes there.

Could you explain why you think that is so?  Do you have a technically or scientifically based reason for wanting "crazy power spikes"?

The more power, the bigger the spark, no?

I think you need to reread the thread, haha ;)

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2017, 02:43:01 PM »
The more power, the bigger the spark, no?

Not sure how to parse that response.

The energy of the spark is miniscule compared to the power produced by the air fuel mixture flame front travel on the power stroke.  And the difference between 10,000 volts and 20,000 volts is even more miniscule, comparatively.  Further, a system, while capable of 20KV or more may never realize that voltage inside a working cylinder as the spark plug gap, and atmosphere within that gap, determine the voltage needed to make the spark channel, and then even less voltage still to maintain the spark channel during the event.  The waveforms I presented earlier demonstrate that effectively, I thought.  You didn't notice?

Or, are you stating that if you have a very high compression, high output, engine, you need bigger spark?

Or, are you simply repeating something you heard somewhere else?  If so, where?

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2017, 03:33:37 PM »
So, NGK 5 kohm caps together with R plugs should be a good combo? (with functional carbs and correctly settings)
I'm curious to see how the NGK DR8ES-L + std NGK caps will work with my CB750.
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2017, 09:28:28 PM »
So, NGK 5 kohm caps together with R plugs should be a good combo? (with functional carbs and correctly settings)
I'm curious to see how the NGK DR8ES-L + std NGK caps will work with my CB750.

I don't think adding R plugs will hurt.  But, I don't know the 750 really needs 10 K total resistance.   I like to fit my 550s with 10K.  They have different coils and I expect the spark plug electrodes to last longer.

I have 750s that only have the 5K and I haven't yet tried the 10K combo in them.  I don't see why that wouldn't have the same beneficial effect, though.

If we are going to expand the thread to include plug heat ranges, I use D8EA in the 750 but insist on the D7EA heat range for the 550.  The D8 heat range is too cold for the 550 for street use and it made my 550s cold blooded beasts and nearly unrideable until it had a stationary warm up.  I just don't run the 550s hot enough to favor D8 heat range, and I don't like a stationary warm up.

I speculate that the 750 with its higher engine head mass needs the colder heat range to help suck out heat into the head.

I'd still use the D7s in the CB750 during winter use.  For a rideable warm up.
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2017, 12:13:18 AM »
My CB750 has Dyna coils, black 5 ohms.
The plugs heat ranges is a part of the complete circuit of the ignition. Coils, wires, caps and plugs make the total. The combination might be the reason for different experiences of resistance and plug models
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The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2017, 01:42:34 AM »
My CB750 has Dyna coils, black 5 ohms.
The plugs heat ranges is a part of the complete circuit of the ignition. Coils, wires, caps and plugs make the total. The combination might be the reason for different experiences of resistance and plug models

No doubt true.  The common denominator for the forum is the stock configured bike.  Alterations and mods can certainly effect spark generation and component requirements.  Do you have characterization data for the Dyna coils?  If not, you can only go by manufacturer recommendations for operation and hope for the best.  Or become your own experimenter, test technician.
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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2017, 03:09:48 AM »
I'd like to add what I wrote the other day in the thread 'New spark plug Caps'.
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The 550s in the US all came with 10K caps.  This makes the spark duration longer, and is beneficial for the fuel burn.
It's not the first time I read this here (also Hondaman claims this) and I wonder if there's any proof. I really would like to see it, the more - although it is a possibility -  this 'tuning of the spark duration' is new to me and I have not seen it mentioned before anywhere else* (not that that means much).
What do I know? Not much. I bought my bike with 33.000 kms on the odometer and when, at around 45.000 kms, I had a look at the plugcaps for the first time I noticed a difference in resistance. One cap that appeared very old (it could have been original) measured 10KΩ and the others varied from 5 - 8 KΩ. As I could not find any documentation that specified (and up to this day haven't found any), I called the importer, Honda The Netherlands. The gentleman who was there in 1981 to answer technical questions, said all caps should have the same resistance and advised the 5KΩ. This was also common practice at dealers (and they had 10KΩ stocked as well, for Goldwings).
If I study the Parts List of the CB500/550K3-4, my impression is it had to do with local legislation. Another possibility is that Honda had learned that more and more people fitted radios in their windjammers just like Goldwing people already did in mass.
So what to choose? Now over time all caps increase in resistance and if you start with 10KΩ caps, you're already much closer to the point you have to replace them. So if there is any benefit, it will come at a price.
Some claim 10KΩ caps will result in a longer spark duration over 5KΩ, others say it's the exact opposite. 
Anyway, I doubt if an effect, if there's any to speak of, will be noticed by us in daily use and I would not go so far to deduct it will result in a better fuel burn. I must confess that to me an advantage of 10KΩ over 5KΩ caps is counterintuitive. My gut feeling, which could be wrong, is that 5KΩ will all in all offer more energyreserve, but even then, will I ever notice it? Remember that the sparkplug's only task is to ignite; the flamefront of the burning mixture does the rest. A comparison of scope images that show significant differences can prove my gut wrong. Now as this subject comes back and again, I'll see if I can contact some experts next week. Maybe they can enlighten me some more on possible effects on spark duration. If they'll find my question interesting enough to answer, I'll report back ofcourse.
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I studied some parts lists to see if I can detect what resistance our bikes originally came with. Maybe I found the key in p.11 and p.81 of the parts list for the CB550F2 models.(http://www.honda4fun.com/pdf_parts_list/pdf_spac550/CB550F2/CB550F2_1.pdf - http://www.honda4fun.com/pdf_parts_list/pdf_spac550/CB550F2/CB550F2_4.pdf) What we learn here is that only the model for Canada had resistor plugs. Yet all models (except for Europe btw) shared the same plug caps including the Canadian model. Now if those caps would have been 10KΩ, than the Canadian model must have ended up with a total resistance of 10 + 5 = 15KΩ, which is a bit much IMO and I wonder if there would have been much spark left. Personally I feel it's safe to conclude those caps will not have been 10KΩ. My guess is - but it's but a guess - they will not have been much higher than around 7KΩ or it would have caused problems on the models that had the resistor plugs as well. I also tried to figure it out in the CB550K3/K4 Parts List and my first impression is, it's the same situation: models with resistor plugs (now not only Canada but also Europe) share the same plugcaps that markets that didn't have resistor plugs, like the US, had. But I must confess that particular Parts List always gives me a headache, so maybe someone can check me. P 11, 12 and 92 in http://www.honda4fun.com/pdf_parts_list/pdf_spac500-550/CB500-550_K3-K4.pdf
* I remember that I've tried to learn more on this more than a decade ago, but back then I couldn't find anything on 'tuning of the spark duration by adding resistance', not in some standard works on automotive electrical technique, nor in the Bosch Technical Curriculum that even dedicated a separate volume to Battery Ignition Systems. 
« Last Edit: May 07, 2017, 06:43:47 AM by Deltarider »
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Offline DaveBarbier

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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2017, 05:27:42 AM »
What's weird to me is that there is debate at all. Not only in this, but other aspects of these bikes. This isn't subjective stuff, either the bikes for a certain region came one way or it came another way. This stuff must have been well documented and known back in the 70's. Is this all forgotten info? Anyone have any contacts with Honda Japan? Any documents that could be referenced?


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Re: spark cap resistance
« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2017, 09:38:55 AM »
Wanna talk some oil now?  ;)

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