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Marissa's 1972 CB500
« on: May 31, 2017, 07:31:41 PM »
Figured I'd kill two birds with one stone here, so hey. My name is Marissa, back in April I bought my first motorcycle, a 1972 Honda CB500 dressed in Candy Garnet Brown. I was actually looking at bikes for a while, but I wasn't really sure what I wanted, nor was I finding anything that really fit my fancy for a while. At one point, I bought a 1980 AMI Indian moped to work on and tinker with; wasn't the best to learn on (parts were impossible to find & not much info on them) but I somehow doubled my money on it. It was at that point that I realized I was looking for a project with a much bigger aftermarket support, lots of information, and a bigger following.

Regardless of this, up until a couple of months ago, I still had no knowledge on motorcycles or what to really look for. Everything I learned was from searching for bikes on Craigslist everyday, and almost every hour. I decided that a classic Honda CB would be the best fit, as I love old school styling, and definitely could not afford or want to buy parts for a Triumph or Norton. Really could not find a good project for the money through Craigslist, (lol, $1000 for a rusty bike with a seized engine and no paperwork) so I paid a little more than I wanted to, and bought a very solid one through a dealership.

So yes, I personally paid more than I liked, but I found a virtually all original, very solid bike for the money. All of the brightwork on the bike is in impeccable shape, the frame is virtually spotless of rust, the paint is original and aged well, and overall well taken care of.

While I was going through the process of earning my license, I gathered some books, tools, and parts from 4into1, and began the battle to fire this baby up. I bought it non operable, but they did compression test it and it tested well. (I still think that could have been an awful mistake though)

Shortly after, I found myself rebuilding the carburetors and retaining a lot of what I was learning (something about having the bike right there really makes it easy to learn and have that drive to keep learning) and I recently was able to get the bike to not only start up, but idle on it's own entirely, which is a really big feat for me. I really did not expect to progress this fast.

So right now, the bike still has a huge way to go in order to be road worthy. I need new tubes and tires, and the wheels definitely need balancing. If I'm honest, I think I want to take it to a shop to do this professionally, as if anything were to go wrong, it could lead to a serious fall or wipeout. I also need to:

Measure valve lash and adjust accordingly
Rebuild fork
Figure out why the rear turn signals are faulty
Get or fabricate a super low profile seat (I am super short)
Replace finnicky magnetic ignition switch
Fine tune carburetors. I want to run velocity stacks, and I currently have the air box off anyways. I believe this is why I can only get it to idle, as when I tried blipping the throttle, it stalled and I feel like it's getting starved of fuel. I would try starting it back up, no luck, spray some starting fluid, and it would immediately start up again. I feel like the floats aren't perfect (even though I measured 22mm 3 different times 3 different ways) but I was also told I may need to get a different jet size to compensate and correct the AFR. Any thoughts would be appreciated as it's my first time working with carbs.

Look into any other possible ways to get the bike lower, preferably without messing with the suspension geometry. I have the seat off at the moment, and I can almost flat foot both feet while wearing my vans. I have boots with a heel and bigger sole but I'm not sure I'll be wearing those all the time and overall lowering it will really help with my confidence on the road and in parking lots. Not to mention if there's a good way to lower it, the lower center of gravity will help with lifting it and moving, etc.

Eventually replace gaskets. Nothing is weeping, leaking, or pouring, but there is buildup around some gaskets that will need addressing at one point. The most concerning is the headgasket, while I don't think it's an issue now, it is dirty and I'm going to guess it'll need replacing by the end of the season, of which will be a scary task, but I'm hoping it won't be that drastic.
 I would go ahead and address the other gaskets by torquing down any screws or bolts to spec, but most bolts and screws are totally seized; I sprayed wd40 and silicone spray on a lot, but it's looking like that's not a solution for most. Thinking of getting a can or two of PB blaster and possibly shocking the bolts with a hammer. (Note: I have JIS type screwdrivers and have been using them, along with the appropriate size and even a 90 degree adapter for more torque)

Definitely need shorter throttle cables. The bike had Ape Hanger style handlebars when I got it, and now I have Drag style bars on. There's honestly like an excess of 4 inches. I have them routed as best as possible right now but it looks pretty sloppy and loose.

Also need to get a new tach gear housing. Mine is cracked and I found out the hard way that it can't be tig welded. So if anyone has one laying around from a tach delete they did or knows where to get one, message me.

That's about it at the moment, I would love to see everyone's favorite or recommended build threads for a CB500, I browsed briefly but I have yet to find one that really went into the detail that I wanted, so if anyone has threads, send them my way!

















« Last Edit: February 16, 2019, 07:34:42 PM by Marissa »
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 04:30:40 AM »
Welcome!

A couple of things:
Your carbs - when you pulled them apart, did you remove and fully clean the emulsion tubes? Did you clean the original brass jets? I ask because I don't see them in your pictures. If not, do so and much of your carb tuning issues will disappear.

AFR - with the airbox off and that short muffler, expect idle issues. Velocity stacks look great, perform poorly for a street machine. Not only does it make carb tuning more difficult, but the debris infiltration is another issue to contend with.

Stripped/seized bolts/screws - Use a center punch, and simply drill the head off the screw/bolt. The shank will then turn out almost by hand. The underside of the head is what typically corrodes to the aluminum casting. Good on you for using JIS!

Feel level - always best to use the Clear Tube method to verify fuel level and float heights (picture attached) but you'll need to clean the carbs properly first anyway.

Faulty turn signals are most often a poor ground, or a Previous Owner (PO) hack job on the wiring. Could also be a bad Turn Signal Relay (Flasher Relay) under the left side body panel.

There are lowering blocks some use to drop the rear suspension and you can then also push the forks down in the front to match. Smaller diameter rims (18 front/17rear) is more expensive, but another option. And of course, a re-profiled seat is always an option.

A good degreasing of the motor, especially below left side engine cover where the sprocket is located is a great first step. Opening a motor for the sake of opening it, is not always prudent. Once you clean the motor well, noticing a real oil weep/seep is far easier. If you struggle to locate the actual source, a bit of baby powder on the gasket seams will help identify it quickly.

Use care torquing screws and bolts to nip up a weep. Most of them are 6mm shanks and only toerlate about 8ft/lbs of torque before they shear off.

TIG welding any of the original aluminum on the motor is a Black Magic feat to say the least. The oil impregnated in these parts (especially the tach housing) purges while welding, causing all kinds of mayhem. Easiest to locate a replacement (which is not easy actually) and use that. They are very prone to breaking.

Is your ignition switch stock? You stated "magnetic"...? The stock ones are notorious for going bad, but theres a thread on here for repairing it properly and completely DIY (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,163170.0.html)

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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2017, 05:29:08 AM »
Welcome, and you picked the best color of all!

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2017, 05:41:32 AM »
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2017, 06:16:51 AM »
Welcome from Texas and that is an impressive first post! Cal gave you some good info, he knows the 500/550's well.  I may have a spare tach drive off a 550, it is most likely the same.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2017, 06:46:48 AM »
500/550 tach plugs are the same. What's missing from the damaged one in her hand is the rubber o-ring beneath it (maybe removed during inspection). If missing, this can cause them to be over-tightened to stop the oil leak and thus damage them.
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2017, 03:14:51 PM »
That tach drive is done.  I would take Stev-o on his spare. 

You can lower the bike with blocks and pushing through the front tubes.  That said, get used to riding with boots.  Vans will disintegrate in any crash along with the flesh and bone on your feet.  Red Wings, Doc Martens -- just about any decent sturdy leather boots will be a huge improvement over Vans and offer you an extra inch or two of height.
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2017, 06:20:38 PM »
calj,

I actually missed the emulsion tubes. Honestly, I was afraid they weren't removable (don't know why I thought this because new ones came in a kit) so I just cleaned inside of them. I have a feeling they're pretty gnarly. Also, I replaced the original brass jets. I still have them, but they don't look different than the aftermarket ones I got. I know aftermarket brass can be an issue at times, is this something you recommend reverting back to original? I might be able to use the Ultrasonic machine at work for them. Side note: I am still using the original brass needles. They're in good shape and someone told me they are essential to a strong running CB.

Side side note: I definitely need to do the clear tube test, I just need to find a bolt that fits right so I can modify it. I dont really want to drill out one of my originals drain plugs but I have a feeling I just might need to, so maybe that would justify getting new ones...

Also, that photo is from me midway through welding a new nut to the headlight bucket housing. I bought a new headlight bucket from 4into1, and even though it said it fit the CB, the thread pitch was wrong so I had to modify it to work. (My fault for assuming and not reading through the description with a microscope ::) ) Regardless, I made a seam weld after tacking it like so in the pictures, sanded them back down (I wanted to make sure the low spots were filled with welds as much as possible) and then put some fiberglass filler on so it wont absorb moisture or rust. That's a trick I learned when I was restoring my Datsun  ;D Sanded that down again, primed it, and put a hammered black finish on. It's not totally perfect, but the entire area is covered by the brackets, so overall I'm satisfied with the results for now.

I'll have to look into those lowering blocks and adjusting the fork.

It's good to know about the oil in the aluminum on these components. Does that mean it's not a good idea to attempt repairing the fins? Mine have been slightly bent and have small cracks from probably a small drop at one point.
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2017, 06:33:31 PM »
The emulsion tubes press out, or pull out from below easily enough. It's the small orifices in their length that get clogged and disrupt idles. An ultrasonic bath for all the carb parts and the carbs themselves is a great treatment.

Everyone likes the original brass the most. So if you clean them up, re-install the original brass jets for good measure.

You can use Clear tubing stuff into the bowl drain, or grab a pack of small plastic vacuum fittings at the auto parts stored one will thread in easily enough. Shouldn't need to drill a drain screw.

It looked like a headlight bucket, wasn't sure why you didn't just change the bolt instead of changing the nut  ;)

Repairing the fins: preheat the fins with propane to help purge the impurities. Wipe with acetone. Then TIG it. I like to use 4943 wire and run at 50Hz for this old cast aluminum. If you can't find 4943, try 5356. It just seems to weld better than 4043. I also slip a piece of carbon steel in between the fins to help act as an Argon dam and help stabilize the repair piece. Your aluminum can never be too clean to TIG weld.
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2017, 06:46:41 PM »
The emulsion tubes press out, or pull out from below easily enough. It's the small orifices in their length that get clogged and disrupt idles. An ultrasonic bath for all the carb parts and the carbs themselves is a great treatment.

Everyone likes the original brass the most. So if you clean them up, re-install the original brass jets for good measure.

You can use Clear tubing stuff into the bowl drain, or grab a pack of small plastic vacuum fittings at the auto parts stored one will thread in easily enough. Shouldn't need to drill a drain screw.

It looked like a headlight bucket, wasn't sure why you didn't just change the bolt instead of changing the nut  ;)

Repairing the fins: preheat the fins with propane to help purge the impurities. Wipe with acetone. Then TIG it. I like to use 4943 wire and run at 50Hz for this old cast aluminum. If you can't find 4943, try 5356. It just seems to weld better than 4043. I also slip a piece of carbon steel in between the fins to help act as an Argon dam and help stabilize the repair piece. Your aluminum can never be too clean to TIG weld.

Yeah, the headlight bucket was kind of a weird design as the threads were welded into the bucket. It was a bad angle to grind the welds from so I just decided to cut from the outside to fit. Also, thank you for the super specific info for welding the fins. That's really gonna help when it comes time to weld.
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2017, 06:48:48 PM »
If you restored a Z, I'm sure you'll be fine with the CB.

Looks like it's coming along quite well!


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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2017, 07:17:16 PM »
Welcome from Texas and that is an impressive first post! Cal gave you some good info, he knows the 500/550's well.  I may have a spare tach drive off a 550, it is most likely the same.

Thanks! It's been really fulfilling to bring something like this back to life. I've always thought of restorations to be an art form of sort. Send me a PM with a picture of the spare tach drive you have from a 550, I would be interested it.
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2017, 08:53:49 PM »
If you restored a Z, I'm sure you'll be fine with the CB.

Looks like it's coming along quite well!


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haha, well, the Z was in fairly good shape when I got it. Miss it sometimes.

I've found that I have to think different when working on a bike; a car is more forgiving, easier to correct when you make a mistake. Working on a 45 year old bike that I plan on riding soon with little experience? It's kinda scary. A dumb mistake could cost me my life. It's difficult because I'm impatient to ride, but I'm also trying to be very particular and get things right the first time. Which is also difficult because I have to work with my newbie learning curve (I'm on 5th carb tear down hahaha)

Ideally, I would love to get some riding in for the end of summer or sooner. I'm trying to think positively if its not ready for the road until late August, because by then it shouldn't be unbearably hot out. My motorcycle course teacher told us it's incredibly easy to get dehydrated and pass out from the heat on a bike in the summer, so we'll see how fast this bike is ready. Progress has been steady.
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2017, 03:34:51 AM »
BTW, there's a member, Dave who's not far from you. He's in the midst of finishing up his latest iteration of a 550/650 hybrid. A very decent guy with above average skills. Pretty much below average looks, but thats a different story...

Anyway, we'll get him to get involved in this thread, plus, perhaps a set of local hands on occasion to help steer you through some things. And a great riding partner with another CB to bend the new rider learning curve  :)

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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2017, 03:52:06 AM »
 Hey, Marissa. I'm pretty sure I responded to some of your questions on the Facebook group. Welcome, and glad to have you here.
 The emulsion tubes press out but are often stuck from varnish, old fuel, corrosion, etc. The nut on the headlight isn't actually welded in. That's a plastic headlight bucket and the nuts are usually just stuck as well. If you have a metal headlight bucket, someone has replaced it at some point.
 You have a REALLY nice bike and I would keep it as stock as possible. Look into the lowering blocks and pushing the forks up into the tubes. Also, there's a guy on eBay that sells low profile seats. Really nice quality and you'd be hard pressed to have your cut down and recovered for the price.

 This is the guy. Right now he has a bunch of '77-78 seats listed, but look at all the styles he has. If you message him, he can do you a bolt on seat in the style you want for the pre-77 bikes, too. Excellent value for around $200

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2017, 03:54:15 AM »
The nut on the headlight isn't actually welded in. That's a plastic headlight bucket and the nuts are usually just stuck as well. If you have a metal headlight bucket, someone has replaced it at some point.
She did, Scott. And she modified the backing nut for correct pitch (and did a dang fine bodywork job on it by the sound of it).
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2017, 04:18:41 AM »
They also make shorty shocks for your bike, check the used section often.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2017, 04:35:38 AM »
BTW, there's a member, Dave who's not far from you. He's in the midst of finishing up his latest iteration of a 550/650 hybrid. A very decent guy with above average skills. Pretty much below average looks, but thats a different story...

Anyway, we'll get him to get involved in this thread, plus, perhaps a set of local hands on occasion to help steer you through some things. And a great riding partner with another CB to bend the new rider learning curve  :)

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2017, 05:18:44 AM »
BTW, there's a member, Dave who's not far from you. He's in the midst of finishing up his latest iteration of a 550/650 hybrid. A very decent guy with above average skills. Pretty much below average looks, but thats a different story...

Anyway, we'll get him to get involved in this thread, plus, perhaps a set of local hands on occasion to help steer you through some things. And a great riding partner with another CB to bend the new rider learning curve  :)

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Hey Marissa, nice 500 and nice work space you have. I think it's best to pay extra for the bike you really want rather than settling, so nice score! Also CT isn't cheap. People are still selling rattle can basket cases for $1800. I had to go into NJ and NY for better deals. Regarding a bike with paperwork, in CT a bike doesn't have to be titled if it's 20 years old or older. None of my bikes ever had a title.
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Where in CT are you? I'm in Monroe (fairfield county)

I just did a tach plug delete on my 650 and have a spare drive sitting on my shelf. The 500, 550 and 650 tach drives are interchangeable. If you want it shoot me a PM.

For height, you'll find that eliminating foam from the sides of the seat helps a lot also. Allowing your legs to be less like you're riding a horse but rather...well, a much thinner horse I guess.

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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2017, 05:22:51 AM »
A very decent guy with above average skills. Pretty much below average looks, but thats a different story...

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2017, 05:29:53 AM »
A very decent guy with above average skills. Pretty much below average looks, but thats a different story...

If you can't be handsome, you better be handy!
Fortunately I don't have to decide between the two...  8)
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2017, 06:52:16 AM »
A very decent guy with above average skills. Pretty much below average looks, but thats a different story...

If you can't be handsome, you better be handy!
Fortunately I don't have to decide between the two...  8)

Oh Cal, you are so modest....
'74 "Big Bang" Honda 750K [836].....'76 Honda 550F.....K3 Park Racer!......and a Bomber!............plus plus plus.........

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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2017, 06:53:49 AM »
Fortunately I don't have to decide between the two...  8)
Oh Cal, you are so modest....
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You misunderstand. I am neither-
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2017, 07:18:06 AM »

I just did a tach plug delete on my 650 and have a spare drive sitting on my shelf. The 500, 550 and 650 tach drives are interchangeable. If you want it shoot me a PM.



 The 650 tach drive HOUSING should swap, but the gear drive inside is different. Just FYI.
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Re: Marissa's 1972 CB500
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2017, 07:49:31 AM »
Fortunately I don't have to decide between the two...  8)
Oh Cal, you are so modest....
You misunderstand. I am neither-
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