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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2018, 02:26:26 PM »
When you have a problem with your bike, do you pray and consult scripture, or do you grab a wrench?

We're willing to do anything for these bikes but when it comes to violence the best we can do is shrug and say "it'll all be over soon, with any luck"
Actually, I do both :)
But the problems we face today, are dealt with in Scripture. They are common to mankind, and have been around since Cain killed Able, his brother. There is Nothing New Under the Sun... as Solomon said, and everything is vanity. And I am not shrugging my shoulders and saying it'll be all over soon.. although it will be, and sooner than we think. Instead, I bend a knee and ask God to help with this and other things.. like healing and other necessities we all may need. He does listen... do we?
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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2018, 02:33:15 PM »
Cal, thanks for the research, it is all out there, but it doesn't fit with what the skewed news tells us.
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Well "news" is too often skewed in both directions. Sadly, it is now too frequently not "news" but "biased opinions". Fortunately, its presence creates more free time in the garage that was otherwise spent becoming "informed" in years past. (Silver lining)  ;)

All news has always been skewed to fit the publishers/airers world view. This is not a new thing.

No doubt, Gene.   So after a couple you guys mentioned dangers south of the border, I did a little research in the town where we want to buy a condo on the beach.  Yes, of course there is crime there as is everywhere but the article pointed out something king of interesting...


The second thing we have to consider are the facts. Here in Mexico the news loves to publish gory stories about car crashes complete with photos and other shocking stories. This is called “yellow news” here. It grabs your attention and has shock value. How many people would read about a family that goes to Mexico on vacation and they had nice sunny days, amazing food and a good time with nothing bad happening? No one really would read it because it is “not news“.
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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2018, 02:36:27 PM »
...well, it isn't Juarez, hehe. Where are you looking location wise Stev-o?
And... sorry Dave, for getting off the topic.
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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #53 on: February 23, 2018, 03:20:56 PM »
Move to Oz Steve. Bring all your bikes (they're worth way more here than you'll get for them there) but beware, we have gun violence here too. There was a Comanchero MC member shot dead a week or so ago in Sydney and another Comanchero MC member was shot here in Melbourne last week, but unless you're a member of an outlaw motorcycle gang you probably won't notice their shenanigans. (we don't have any outlaw motorcycle gangs who ride old Japanese bikes, so you're pretty safe)

The cost of living is pretty high here compared to the US though, but what price peace of mind? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #54 on: February 23, 2018, 07:29:01 PM »

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Unfortunately that doesn't help much.

People need to just accept the fact that guns have nothing to do with this, and Americans are so exceptional that they are just going to have to live with the occasional, I mean frequent, massacre of children. I mean, it's not guns. It can't be, right? Everybody knows that as soon as you want to take away AR-15s the next logical step is mind control and taking away every other right anyone can think of. Plus, what about the other ways children die? And what about those inner city folks in Chicago? Let's just all slap each other on the back for the serious handwringing that gets done for a day or two after each episode. All that handwringing is enough to work up a sweat! Plus -- those kids were actors!
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Here's a thought, how many guns do you think we're in a 3,2, or even a one mile radius of that school, and how long do you think they have been there? None of those other guns jumped up and ran to the school th help shoot people, at least none that I have heard about. The weak link here is the whacko kid that wanted to kill people.

The government that so many want to "fix" this problem FAILED  the students at 3 different levels,  local, state, and federal. As for me I can't see how surrendering a constitutional right to the 3 stooges will ever end well. There is  no magic law that will fix these kind of tragedies especially by just going at it from one direction  (gun control ). What the approach has been and continues to be is the equivalent of trying to loosen a bolt on your bike that has a nut on the other end, as soon as it breaks loose and starts to spin the solution is to spin the wrench faster, and not deal with the other side of the issue.

My wife works for the school district, the ONLY correction they can administer is send a kid to the office. Pretty freaking sad.
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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2018, 01:40:59 AM »
The problem lies deeper than gun rights or the 1st Amendment rights to freedom of speech. It is a Heart Problem. We have taken God and His Son Jesus Christ out of schools...

Couldn’t disagree more, :)

You have the ability to disagree.. now, what are your facts that support what you are disagreeing with? If it is a disbelief that there is an Almighty God, well, thats just not convincing. I Know there Is.
Charlie

You ask for facts, yet what facts do you use to back up the opinion you hold that you ' know ' there is a god .  .
You believe there is a god perhaps, but where is the proof. And as for god being the one to provide an answer or salvation in this shooting thing, how many fukcing butters have killed how many other fukcing butters ( as well as the occasional couple of dozen/ hundred/ thousand/million innocent bystanders) and blame it on the will/testament/ bidding of some almighty being or other?
Even the Buddhists are knocking off Muslims now in the name of the prophets and they're supposed to be the good guys who won't even kill an insect but get their godly blood up and they'll hack a few Rohinga's into the next life no problem
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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2018, 03:22:28 AM »
The problem lies deeper than gun rights or the 1st Amendment rights to freedom of speech. It is a Heart Problem. We have taken God and His Son Jesus Christ out of schools...

Couldn’t disagree more, :)

You have the ability to disagree.. now, what are your facts that support what you are disagreeing with? If it is a disbelief that there is an Almighty God, well, thats just not convincing. I Know there Is.
Charlie

You ask for facts, yet what facts do you use to back up the opinion you hold that you ' know ' there is a god .  .
You believe there is a god perhaps, but where is the proof. And as for god being the one to provide an answer or salvation in this shooting thing, how many fukcing butters have killed how many other fukcing butters ( as well as the occasional couple of dozen/ hundred/ thousand/million innocent bystanders) and blame it on the will/testament/ bidding of some almighty being or other?
Even the Buddhists are knocking off Muslims now in the name of the prophets and they're supposed to be the good guys who won't even kill an insect but get their godly blood up and they'll hack a few Rohinga's into the next life no problem

Opinions are like Arseholes Spotty, everyone has one...  ::)
Wars have always been fought upon some premise of religion or hatred that was stirred up by those who want power, or wealth, mostly both, and it is a HUMAN condition. That's not God. And, as you state even Buddhist monks aren't immune to this condition... they can and will succumb to their humanity.
You see, Spotty, all humanity has a common denominator, and that is sin. Sin is nothing more than rebellion against an Almighty God. I am aware of how many wars have been fought in the name of whatever god they have believed in. At one time, there were people sacrificing their children to molech, or ashtaroth, or whatever statue they would heat up and then burn their children with. It is a humanity problem in which there is No Earthly Answer. Back in the history of the Hebrew nation, it states that every man did what was right in his own eyes... well, when you filter what is right through your eyes, it becomes a skewed world. That's what we have today.
     I know there is a God, as He shows me every day His Creation. Where did all this come from? Certainly not Aliens lol... nor was it a thing of 'chance'. All we see every day, is taken for granted, and not really examined closely. If we did, His hand would be seen very well. There is such a delicate balance in this world for life to even exist on our planet. The odds of this just happening by 'chance' are staggering. All creation testifies of His Existence. Now, I understand there is a great many people that do not believe there is an Almighty God... that's ok, as He believes in them. You see, because we all suffer from the same ailment (sin, the rebellion), there is only one cure. That is what He gave the world. It wasn't me that gave it, but I can tell you about it. If you think that God is wrong for only offering One Way to be right with Him, that's something you can take up with Him when you meet Him one day...
Blame... we want to blame someone or another for what we see as this condition. Well, there is someone to blame, he has been around for a long, long time, he's a man of wealth and fame... ask Mick Jagger who he is. He wrote a song about him. In our country, and perhaps yours too, we have taken God out of schools. We replaced him with a sense that everything we do is 'ok', its just little Johhny's way so it can't be wrong... we give children a sense of entitlement, when they are entitled to nothing. Their morals are corrupted by those who want to take their innocence and give them a future full of despair. There IS no hope in this world that comes from this world. I see the steady decay of society, and people think it is going to be ok. It isn't ok, and won't be until One man returns. Then He will make everything ok. Well, this is my last posting here, I told Dave I wouldn't continue this, but I have answered your question, Spotty. Good day, sir. And God bless you
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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2018, 04:14:09 AM »
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The government that so many want to "fix" this problem FAILED  the students at 3 different levels,  local, state, and federal. As for me I can't see how surrendering a constitutional right to the 3 stooges will ever end well. There is  no magic law that will fix these kind of tragedies especially by just going at it from one direction  (gun control ). What the approach has been and continues to be is the equivalent of trying to loosen a bolt on your bike that has a nut on the other end, as soon as it breaks loose and starts to spin the solution is to spin the wrench faster, and not deal with the other side of the issue.

My wife works for the school district, the ONLY correction they can administer is send a kid to the office. Pretty freaking sad.

Yea investing some extra resources at "the office" point could help in some cases at least in the vengeance ones. 

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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2018, 04:43:19 AM »
Don’t get Charlie started, Fuzzie! ;)

And besides, I don’t want religion in the mix here.

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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2018, 04:55:15 AM »
No problem Dave, Fuzzle is cool. Besides, I like cheeseburgers!  ;D
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Re: Thoughts on the No Notoriety movement for mass shooters
« Reply #60 on: February 24, 2018, 01:50:10 PM »
Theological discussions almost never end well. This isn't that, imo.
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« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2018, 02:03:47 PM »
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The government that so many want to "fix" this problem FAILED  the students at 3 different levels,  local, state, and federal. As for me I can't see how surrendering a constitutional right to the 3 stooges will ever end well. There is  no magic law that will fix these kind of tragedies especially by just going at it from one direction  (gun control ). What the approach has been and continues to be is the equivalent of trying to loosen a bolt on your bike that has a nut on the other end, as soon as it breaks loose and starts to spin the solution is to spin the wrench faster, and not deal with the other side of the issue.

My wife works for the school district, the ONLY correction they can administer is send a kid to the office. Pretty freaking sad.

Yea investing some extra resources at "the office" point could help in some cases at least in the vengeance ones.

having people do their jobs would help.
Virginia Tech - counselors fumbled the ball
Columbine - their parents fumbled the ball
The Florida shooting - the ON DUTY officer fumbled the ball

Every single one of these could have been prevented if the people around them took the time to actually care and/or notice.  I really like to believe I would have, but something tells me that I wouldn't have done any better.
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« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2018, 02:25:12 PM »
I see that Donald J is still banging on about arming teachers, that tells me that he's got no idea how to solve this problem. Maybe the US government could provide all US citizens with bullet proof vests and helmets? If mass shooters realised that their bullets were only going to bounce off their victims, surely that would be a much greater deterrent than Donald Trump trying to turn school teachers into Dirty Harry's and Harriet's? ;D
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« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2018, 02:39:43 PM »
I see that Donald J is still banging on about arming teachers, that tells me that he's got no idea how to solve this problem.

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« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2018, 03:11:05 PM »
I see that Donald J is still banging on about arming teachers, that tells me that he's got no idea how to solve this problem.

No politics allowed - or aloud, for that matter.  ;D

Hang on a minute, if Charlie can bang on about God, then I demand the right to bang on about Big Chief Yellow Face! ;D
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« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2018, 03:26:22 PM »
 O' please do. Just trying to do my part ;D
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« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2018, 03:32:45 PM »
I see that Donald J is still banging on about arming teachers, that tells me that he's got no idea how to solve this problem.

No politics allowed - or aloud, for that matter.  ;D
I see you sent turnbull over to try to educate him Terry,will it work?haha bill

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« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2018, 03:55:32 PM »
Yeah Bill, no idea why Malcolm is over in the US at the moment, our deputy Prime Minister had to quit due to the backlash from him banging one of his female staffers and getting her pregnant, so I'm not sure who's running the country in big Mal's absence, but I'm sure he's solving all of America's problems and not just wasting more taxpayers money.......... ;D
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