Topic: On American Decency

[mlinder]

Some good points, Canyon.

The whole idea of 'parties' needs to be abolished.
It's a major downfall of our current political environment.
We also need to make campaign funds doled out by a governing body. We should never allow individuals, companies or special interest groups to give an edge to a candidate by means of funding.

[BobbyR]

Will the American (U.S) Empire fall?  A lot of indications seem to support that claim.  We are so dependant on foreign labor and industry that if one country we depend on stopped their cooperation with the US, we would struggle for years trying to recover.  just think if tomorrow China closed its doors to manufacturing all products to the US industry.  They could take over a large part of the control of this country without ever firing a shot.  So much for our all powerful military...

Let's just turn that thought around. The U.S. was never a colonizer. We had the Philippines for a short time. We are however an economic Colonizer. We are the biggest customers China and some of these places have, in effect we own their economy. There are about 2.5 Million people in New Zealand, There are over 2 Million on Long Island which is a Suburb of NYC. There are 32 Million people in Canada, there are about 25 Million people in NY State. Where will the Chinese sell their products, if they cut us off, they will tank big time.

Honda, Hyundai, Toyota all build a significant number of vehicles in the U.S. Kawasaki began building Motorcycles in Nebraska in the late 1970s. At this point all Kawasaki ATVs, and water craft for worldwide distribution are built there. Kawasaki also builds Rail Cars in NY and they are expanding production in the Nebraska plant to build more Trains. People are  What we are seeing is a globalization of the world economy.

China has a vested interest in our well being as do the other Countries that invest here. In an odd way their fate rests in our hands. Very clever isn't it.

[Rocking-M]

David is just trying to make some of us Southern miscreants feel better about our behavior

I get the intent David. 

[ledbetter]

Ok was not gone jumping on this but it has gotstuck in my craw,this bull$#!* about saying if you can be a supporter of military action unless you or your kids go is just out right BS,it would be the same as saying I cant be supportive of the fire dpt unless I or my children are fireman,I am tired of this defeatist mentality being spued from the left and tired of snotty nosed elitist that from out side the U.S. telling us how we should handle things.
 Personally feel like we never should have got mixed up in the 2 massive European squabbles such as the first world war and the second world war if we had avoid those mistakes i might have got to met the man I am named after,but unfortunately he was killed in combat on Nov20 1944 in a Place called Aachen along the roar river,it sickens me to think that I died for a bunch of ungrateful euro wienies.
We had no choice but to defend are self's from the Japanese,but if I ember correctly we where never attacked by Germany,if you can tell me of an attack by germany be for we entered in to a conflict to save the Great Britton I am all ears.
If we gone to start bring troops home than lets bring tham all home from every place thy are still occupying like Korea ,Germany,Japan,Bosnia,Great Briton,Italy and to many other place to list.Lets stop playing world cop let some other country do it and all the Billions of money that is given away in foreign aid needs to stop and that money should be put to work here taking care of our own ,not give to a bunch of thugs and in greats.
 I dont give a crap what anyone thinks of what I have said and to all those out there that I might have offended,FU.

Ledbetter

[andy750]

Is that your example of American decency ledbetter?   

take it easy, its just a motorcycle forum.

cheers
Andy

[ledbetter]

Hey Andy was just venting,by the way we have meet befor but I bet you dont rember.

Ledbetter

[andy750]

Of course I remember! And knowing you, it seemed to be slightly out of character with what you were saying.
Take it easy and go work on the bike (is it running yet?) - and yes I still remember I owe you a beer or two ;-)

cheers
Andy

[edbikerii]

Ok was not gone jumping on this but it has gotstuck in my craw,this bull$#!* about saying if you can be a supporter of military action unless you or your kids go is just out right BS,it would be the same as saying I cant be supportive of the fire dpt unless I or my children are fireman,I am tired of this defeatist mentality being spued from the left and tired of snotty nosed elitist that from out side the U.S. telling us how we should handle things.
 Personally feel like we never should have got mixed up in the 2 massive European squabbles such as the first world war and the second world war if we had avoid those mistakes i might have got to met the man I am named after,but unfortunately he was killed in combat on Nov20 1944 in a Place called Aachen along the roar river,it sickens me to think that I died for a bunch of ungrateful euro wienies.
We had no choice but to defend are self's from the Japanese,but if I ember correctly we where never attacked by Germany,if you can tell me of an attack by germany be for we entered in to a conflict to save the Great Britton I am all ears.
If we gone to start bring troops home than lets bring tham all home from every place thy are still occupying like Korea ,Germany,Japan,Bosnia,Great Briton,Italy and to many other place to list.Lets stop playing world cop let some other country do it and all the Billions of money that is given away in foreign aid needs to stop and that money should be put to work here taking care of our own ,not give to a bunch of thugs and in greats.
 I dont give a crap what anyone thinks of what I have said and to all those out there that I might have offended,FU.

Ledbetter

Just so you know, I'm tired of the ungrateful weenies whining all the time about America too.  Frankly, I just write most of it off as envy.  I happen to think that most of our so-called "world cop" activities are well justified for our own future safety, and that of the rest of the world too.

I did want to point something out though.  I recently learned that Germany was caught plotting with Mexico for an attack on Texas and the American southwest back at the beginning of WWII.  I saw something on the History Channel the other day about how we had decoded the German Enigma code, and intercepted a message from the Germany embassador in DC to the President of Mexico in Mexico City.  Apparently, when this news came out, popular opinion turned against Germany at the time, making it easier for us to go to war against Germany, despite strong opposition from many American industrialists.  Of course I wasn't there, but in my opinion the History Channel show seemed credible.

[ledbetter]

Hey Andy yes the bike is running,well most of the time it is,except for a electrical issue I have been trying to fix.
 Yeah it might seem out of character for me since I am so laid back I might slip in to a come but like I said i just needed to vent.
Next time you get down this way we will go do a bit of beer drinking,and I promise not to do any venting while drunk

Ledbetter

[BobbyR]

Hey Andy yes the bike is running,well most of the time it is,except for a electrical issue I have been trying to fix.
 Yeah it might seem out of character for me since I am so laid back I might slip in to a come but like I said i just needed to vent.
Next time you get down this way we will go do a bit of beer drinking,and I promise not to do any venting while drunk

Ledbetter

What kind of electrical issue are you having.

[nickjtc]

I saw something on the History Channel the other day about how we had decoded the German Enigma code, and intercepted a message from the Germany embassador in DC to the President of Mexico in Mexico City.  Apparently, when this news came out, popular opinion turned against Germany at the time, making it easier for us to go to war against Germany, despite strong opposition from many American industrialists.  Of course I wasn't there, but in my opinion the History Channel show seemed credible.

Except that the Enigma coding machine was captured by the Brits in the first case....hence the uproar when the film U-571 came out insinuating that it was a US action that nabbed it.

Mr.Anal, out.

[edbikerii]

I saw something on the History Channel the other day about how we had decoded the German Enigma code, and intercepted a message from the Germany embassador in DC to the President of Mexico in Mexico City.  Apparently, when this news came out, popular opinion turned against Germany at the time, making it easier for us to go to war against Germany, despite strong opposition from many American industrialists.  Of course I wasn't there, but in my opinion the History Channel show seemed credible.

Except that the Enigma coding machine was captured by the Brits in the first case....hence the uproar when the film U-571 came out insinuating that it was a US action that nabbed it.

Mr.Anal, out.

Perhaps you could expound on what it is about my statement that you take exception to?  In other words, where are my statements inconsistent with your story?

More information from the show:  The message from the embassador in DC to Mexico City was sent using an old Enigma code (perhaps the one captured by the Brits?), whereas the original message from Germany to DC was sent using the new, stronger Enigma code.  The ability to compare the two versions of encrypted message was pivotal to the allies ability to decode the newer, stronger Enigma code.  Apparently, the stronger code was derived by taking the original Enigma machine and adding more cipher wheels to it (or something like that, I'm no expert).

[Raul CB750K1]

Bottom line, if there is a thread ranting about America we can expect heated debate. If there is a thread appraising America we can expect heated debate too.


Raul

[oldbiker]

Why don't we leave Politics out of our bike forum. Even nice people tend to argue about Politics.

[ledbetter]

Ledbetter

What kind of electrical issue are you having.

Keep blowing the same fuse ,I think that there is a short in the kill switch connection.

Ledbetter

[Gordon]

Why don't we leave Politics out of our bike forum. Even nice people tend to argue about Politics.

Maybe we need a new sub-forum for controversial topics and political arguments.

[BobbyR]

Ledbetter

What kind of electrical issue are you having.

Keep blowing the same fuse ,I think that there is a short in the kill switch connection.

Ledbetter

Led, you can isolate those wires and see what happens.They pack the wires in tose housings pretty good, add age and vibration and something is gonna happen.

[GroovieGhoulie]

Well groovie and rockin, I call BullSH*T. Why do I say that? Cause you are willing to talk about it and say how we are only to use our forces in defense and all that.  Why not propose a WAY to make this come to pass.
'Things like that link are all fine and dandy but the real problem lies with the people of this country, NOT those who profit from war. If we as americans actually exercised our FULL rights, instead of letting Bush constantly take then away, we could prevent things like this. IF we worried about doing the right thing OURSELVES, then we would elect official who would work for US. Yet most of the people in this country worry about long terms so their states can get more federal dollars.

If a change is to be made, IT STARTS WITH THE CITIZENS ON THIS COUNTRY. We elect these people and we should demand they work for US not for their own pocketbooks.

I should say that I do not disagree with what you say, just that taking action is the only way to change things.

Hey Elder, I agree with you 100%.

I agree as well, but since the average citizen in this country is fat and happy, nothing will happen.  So, being that I've "eaten the Red Pill" and see that we are on the precipice of a Malthusian Catastrophe combined with an economic collapse and there is nothing I can do about it, well, I'm just gonna sit back and laugh.

Chairman Mao said that "A Revolution will never happen on full stomachs."  As long as the Sheeple have their TV, beer and air conditioning, they won't do crap.  The elites just have to maintain the status quo for most of the population, and they can slide us into a police state with impunity.

[Uncle Ernie]

"Why don't we leave Politics out of our bike forum. Even nice people tend to argue about Politics."

John, it's sort of like sitting around the table with friends;  politics come up, as well as a wide variety of other things.  I do think it's time for polite people to begin discussing this controversial subject and try to understand where others are coming from as well as spouting one's own personal rhetoric.
Everybody still has their hands in their pockets, no guns or knives on the table...

It's a shame that elections have become about money and not issues.  John Kerry was nominated because "they" hoped he would win.  Thought he might be able to- not because he was intelligent or told the truth, but because of money.  I mean come on- the guy was incapapable of answering a simple question without a 20 minute dissertation that went nowhere.
I often wish the movie "Dave" could come true.  Sort of like Groovie said, I don't think many people want to hear the truth and make any changes or sacrifices.

[ledbetter]

Ledbetter

What kind of electrical issue are you having.

Keep blowing the same fuse ,I think that there is a short in the kill switch connection.

Ledbetter

Led, you can isolate those wires and see what happens.They pack the wires in those housings pretty good, add age and vibration and something is gonna happen.

Yeah that is what I had planed to try and do this weekend,The first clue I had that it might be the kill switch was when i replaced a fuse and turned the key and seen little puffs of smoke coming from the kill switch.

Ledbetter

[ledbetter]

Ledbetter

What kind of electrical issue are you having.

Keep blowing the same fuse ,I think that there is a short in the kill switch connection.

Ledbetter

Led, you can isolate those wires and see what happens.They pack the wires in tose housings pretty good, add age and vibration and something is gonna happen.

Ummm sounds like a touch of parinoa,watch out for the black heilocopters.

Ledbetter

[nickjtc]

I often wish the movie "Dave" could come true.  Sort of like Groovie said, I don't think many people want to hear the truth and make any changes or sacrifices.

Or maybe 'Man of the Year'   http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0483726/

Except that one has a bit of a dark twist to the story.

[nickjtc]

Perhaps you could expound on what it is about my statement that you take exception to?  In other words, where are my statements inconsistent with your story?

No exception taken. Sorry.

[CBGBs]

What is really funny about this thread is that a person posts an article flattering to the people of the US because he feels sympathy and compassion for them when they seems to be hammered and criticized unyeildingly from all corners.
And what happens.............. ?
The US gets hammered on even a Motorcycle forum and for what? Because the article was too kind.

[upperlake04]

The US gets hammered on even a Motorcycle forum and for what?

  I dunno, but thanks for that observation CBGBs.  The tone of the replies, which are mostly from your countymen, are surprising and amusing.  I expected (innocently and maybe naively)  only a few responses -   'well, of course', ' brown-nosing won't get you anywhere', and 'thanks for noticing'.  Pretty well none of those.  The hammering was amongst yourselves.   Must be an American thing