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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2007, 03:32:26 AM »
No Miss Mattey Terry,

Our country did redefine it so as to deal with the pushy Brits. Perhaps a little Jefferson reading should be on your list.
You might learn a thing or to though I doubt it.

My ancestors were Scots, and the prison heritage you speak of was not as big here as the scum bags they had
to send to Australia. Lets see, hows this go, Cheers.  ;D


Is that right mate? Hmmnnn, well I do have to admit that the term "Scum Bag" was coined in the US, (about American criminals in cop shows, I thought?) but once again, I doubt if you could come up with any hard facts about the degree of "scum bag-ness" of the convicts who were sent to the American penal colony, as opposed to those who were transported to Australia, so here are some stats for you:

At the moment there are approx 1.8 million prisoners incarcerated in jails around the US, (that's 1 convict for every 160 "citizens", approximately) so it's interesting to see that even after several hundred years since Britain transported their "scum-bags" to America, the convict blood is still flowing strongly through the veins of so many American citizens.

http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/one_million/onemillionexec.html

By contrast, there are only about 25 thousand prisoners here, that's about 1 in 800 citizens, approximately, so on that basis there are 5 times as many convicts in America as there are in Oz, per head of population. That sure is a lot of "scum-bags", wouldn't you say mate?

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/PrimaryMainFeatures/4517.0?OpenDocument

My ancestors were Irish rebels, who came here from Ireland in 1802 as "free-settlers", so half of the family came here, and the other half continued on to America. I know how my family fared in Oz of course, but not having contact with my American cousins, I did a google search on my surname in the US, and was quite fascinated. There were several clergymen, layers, journalists, police officials, military men, scholars, a famous painter, and even a senior member of the Ku Klux Klan, which I believe, is another product of your southern politics?

Anyway, continue on RM, I'm really enjoying reading your colorful, but woefully inaccurate, version of American history. Cheers, Terry. Grin   
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2007, 05:20:21 AM »
And here are a few current facts for you to consider also Terry,

Crime Rates in Scotland, England, and Wales
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/blackstock6.html

Crime rates and even Australia's Convict Heritage are mentioned (oops)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lott/lott27.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz48.html

As to the Klan, it had a really big membership in the North,
and even surpassed the South where it was officially disbanded after
the end of the so called reconstruction. That would have been
around 1872. And during reconstruction it was an organization
that in many ways saved the South. However, when Nathan Bedford
Forrest disbanded and the time for it to disband was correct.

And now to Penal Colonies,

You can research the numbers of prisoners exported to Australia vrs. the Colonies.
Disprove the accepted notion by most if you can.

cheerio,  ;D



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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2007, 04:47:28 PM »
Hopefully, RM won't mind this post.  Seems relevant to me.  And, I just had to share this somewhere.

By Ted Nugent

Zero tolerance, huh? Gun-free zones, huh? Try this on for size: Columbine gun-free zone, New York City pizza shop gun-free zone, Luby's Cafeteria gun-free zone, Amish school in Pennsylvania gun-free zone and now Virginia Tech gun-free zone.

Anybody see what the evil Brady Campaign and other anti-gun cults have created? I personally have zero tolerance for evil and denial. And America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time, and I've about had enough of it.

Nearly a decade ago, a Springfield, Oregon, high schooler, a hunter familiar with firearms, was able to bring an unfolding rampage to an abrupt end when he identified a gunman attempting to reload his .22-caliber rifle, made the tactical decision to make a move and tackled the shooter.

A few years back, an assistant principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi, which was a gun-free zone, retrieved his legally owned Colt .45 from his car and stopped a Columbine wannabe from continuing his massacre at another school after he had killed two and wounded more at Pearl.

At an eighth-grade school dance in Pennsylvania, a boy fatally shot a teacher and wounded two students before the owner of the dance hall brought the killing to a halt with his own gun.

More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased. These brave, average, armed citizens neutralized him pronto.

My hero, Dr. Suzanne Gratia Hupp, was not allowed by Texas law to carry her handgun into Luby's Cafeteria that fateful day in 1991, when due to bureaucrat-forced unarmed helplessness she could do nothing to stop satanic George Hennard from killing 23 people and wounding more than 20 others before he shot himself. Hupp was unarmed for no other reason than denial-ridden "feel good" politics.

She has since led the charge for concealed weapon upgrade in Texas, where we can now stop evil. Yet, there are still the mindless puppets of the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun organizations insisting on continuing the gun-free zone insanity by which innocents are forced into unarmed helplessness. Shame on them. Shame on America. Shame on the anti-gunners all.

No one was foolish enough to debate Ryder truck regulations or ammonia nitrate restrictions or a "cult of agriculture fertilizer" following the unabashed evil of Timothy McVeigh's heinous crime against America on that fateful day in Oklahoma City. No one faulted kitchen utensils or other hardware of choice after Jeffrey Dahmer was caught drugging, mutilating, raping, murdering and cannibalizing his victims. Nobody wanted "steak knife control" as they autopsied the dead nurses in Chicago, Illinois, as Richard Speck went on trial for mass murder.

Evil is as evil does, and laws disarming guaranteed victims make evil people very, very happy. Shame on us.

Already spineless gun control advocates are squawking like chickens with their tiny-brained heads chopped off, making political hay over this most recent, devastating Virginia Tech massacre, when in fact it is their own forced gun-free zone policy that enabled the unchallenged methodical murder of 32 people.

Thirty-two people dead on a U.S. college campus pursuing their American Dream, mowed-down over an extended period of time by a lone, non-American gunman in illegal possession of a firearm on campus in defiance of a zero-tolerance gun law. Feel better yet? Didn't think so.

Who doesn't get this? Who has the audacity to demand unarmed helplessness? Who likes dead good guys?

I'll tell you who. People who tramp on the Second Amendment, that's who. People who refuse to accept the self-evident truth that free people have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to defend themselves and their loved ones. People who are so desperate in their drive to control others, so mindless in their denial that they pretend access to gas causes arson, Ryder trucks and fertilizer cause terrorism, water causes drowning, forks and spoons cause obesity, dialing 911 will somehow save your life, and that their greedy clamoring to "feel good" is more important than admitting that armed citizens are much better equipped to stop evil than unarmed, helpless ones.

Pray for the families of victims everywhere, America. Study the methodology of evil. It has a profile, a system, a preferred environment where victims cannot fight back. Embrace the facts, demand upgrade and be certain that your children's school has a better plan than Virginia Tech or Columbine. Eliminate the insanity of gun-free zones, which will never, ever be gun-free zones. They will only be good guy gun-free zones, and that is a recipe for disaster written in blood on the altar of denial. I, for one, refuse to genuflect there.

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2007, 05:25:13 PM »
Excellent article TT, can't find a single fault in it.     
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2007, 07:11:45 PM »
Thanks for the article TT, Ted Nugent nails another one!

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2007, 01:46:16 AM »
And here are a few current facts for you to consider also Terry,

Crime Rates in Scotland, England, and Wales
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/blackstock6.html

Crime rates and even Australia's Convict Heritage are mentioned (oops)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lott/lott27.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz48.html

As to the Klan, it had a really big membership in the North,
and even surpassed the South where it was officially disbanded after
the end of the so called reconstruction. That would have been
around 1872. And during reconstruction it was an organization
that in many ways saved the South. However, when Nathan Bedford
Forrest disbanded and the time for it to disband was correct.

And now to Penal Colonies,

You can research the numbers of prisoners exported to Australia vrs. the Colonies.
Disprove the accepted notion by most if you can.

cheerio,  ;D

Ha ha, I nearly wet myself mate, when I suggested that you come up with some hard facts, I meant some UNBIASED factual information, like I did for you? Geez, what are you gonna send me next mate, quotes from RockingM.com ?  ;D

Now, as opposed to your "Gun Totin' News" stats, here are some hard facts about the land of your ancestors, the Scots.

Total Population: Approx 5 million (only 2.7 times the average US prison population)
Average prison population: 7000
Citizen to scumbag ratio: 714:1
American scumbag to Scottish scumbag ratio: 4.4:1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6390391.stm

Ok, maybe Scotland isn't the most violent country in Britain after all, so lets have a look at England and Wales.

Total Population: 52 million
Average prison population: 76,000
Citizen to scumbag ratio: 684:1
American scumbag to English/welsh scumbag ratio: 4.27:1

http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/subsection.asp?id=345

Yeah, those English and Welsh scumbags are pretty thick on the ground for sure, but still only 25% as common as American Scumbags. In fact, "The Land of the Free" has the highest prison population per head, anywhere in the world, including Russia and the Middle East!

Here's a link to another official government document that tells you all the prison populations in the world:  http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r234.pdf

I'll sign off (for now) with an interesting thought for you to ponder. If private gun ownership is such a deterrent to would be criminals, (as yours, and TT's "shoot-em-up.com" links would suggest) why is it then, that the country with the probably the most liberal gun laws and highest private gun ownership in the world, has by far the most criminals? Cheers, Terry. ;D   

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2007, 04:56:45 AM »
If private gun ownership is such a deterrent to would be criminals, (as yours, and TT's "shoot-em-up.com" links would suggest) why is it then, that the country with the probably the most liberal gun laws and highest private gun ownership in the world, has by far the most criminals? Cheers, Terry. ;D   

Terry, perhaps you are unaware of how micro-managed gun ownership is in many municipalities in the United States.  In many places, particularly urban areas (where crime is highest), you may apply for a permit to own a handgun, but that permit does not confer the right to "carry" that handgun.  There are generally significant fees involved ($250 even in my nice suburban town), a reference gathering and checking exercise, and a lengthy waiting period (often several months).  Then there are restrictions on when, where and how you can use and transport your pistol and its ammunition.  For example, unloaded, locked pistol permitted in trunk of car, ammunition in box in glove compartment, only during daylight hours, on the way to or from the shooting range.  If you violate any of these regulations, you are considered a criminal.  Heaven forbid you have a glass of wine at dinner and get "caught" transporting your pistol.

In NYC, for instance, there are such things as "carry permits", but in order to qualify for one you must prove that you carry more than $10,000 in cash or merchandise on a daily basis, plus there are greater permitting fees, and attorney fees involved in making the applications, which are frequently denied.

In these urban areas, very few innocent citizens bother to carry pistols because of these legal difficulties.  In addition, there is a standing assumption that if you have a pistol you must be a criminal, because NOBODY can get access to a pistol legally.  It is no coincidence that these heavily-regulated areas are also the areas with the highest violent crime and gun-related crime rates (Washington, D.C., NYC, etc.) in the nation.
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2007, 05:23:24 AM »
Good post Terry  ;) And thanks for pointing out that Scotland is not such a violent country  -we probably would be if we were allowed to carry guns legally....ever see a drunk Scotsman in a fight...not pretty  :o .....as it is the scumbags of Scotland have to run wild with swords or pitbulls (not much chance of a mass-sword killing spree then)....

I agree with Ofreens post  -all this talk of yankee and rebel causes are redundant and serve no purpose here - if you are still carrying a grudge or believe in the "cause" then you have bigger problems. If you can only look back you will never be able to look forward and move on.

Anyway its clear that this is descending into another gun debate so Im out of here....you can talk about it all you want but no one here is going to change their opinion, just keep it on ramming it down the throats of others....thank goodness we have motorcycles in common!.....Im off on vacation ;-)

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2007, 07:42:28 AM »
Oh come on, Andy.  Didn't notice the Subject of this thread, huh?

Nice try though -- leave a self-righteous pot shot and then run off.

Have a great vacation!


Anyway its clear that this is descending into another gun debate so Im out of here....you can talk about it all you want but no one here is going to change their opinion, just keep it on ramming it down the throats of others....thank goodness we have motorcycles in common!.....Im off on vacation ;-)
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2007, 07:48:13 AM »
Yeah I know its lame  ::).....thanks looking forward to some time off.

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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2007, 08:28:51 AM »
Well there has been an amazingly large amount of gun "debate" lately here. Of course, no one has changed their stance on it from the last debate. No will change on the next one. You all can post whatever stats you want, from where ever you want and there will always be some bias to them and skewing of the numbers. It does not matter who created the stats.

What no one here wants to do is understand BOTH sides of the debate. The gun controllers will always point to the UK and AU and try to use that as proof that gun control works.

The anti- legislation people will point to all the times when gun violence has been stopped by a citizen with a gun and how gun-free zones allow things like this to happen.  This will be a never ending debate no matter which faction wins.  Although I prefer my guns.

Rockin, what has so gotten under your skin that you keep fanning these flames? I understand you think that the south is god and yes I meant GOD and NOT good. Anything from the north is bad because you have been told so. Ok well I can tell you this, thoughts like that only hold ALL of us back and do NOTHING to advance our culture.

Ed, have you ever posted in the bikes area? I mean, I only seem to see you here arguing with people who usually know more than you do and can post sources backing their position up.  IS that all you do is gripe about things and try to belittle those who see it different from you?

Andy has it right, I think we all need to take a vacation and do some riding. You do actually have a bike right ed?

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2007, 08:40:10 AM »
Eldar, are you the new hall monitorl?  The subject of this thread is Gun Control.  Got anything to add?

If you think Andy is right about taking a vacation, then perhaps you should join him.

Ed, have you ever posted in the bikes area? I mean, I only seem to see you here arguing with people who usually know more than you do and can post sources backing their position up.  IS that all you do is gripe about things and try to belittle those who see it different from you?

Andy has it right, I think we all need to take a vacation and do some riding. You do actually have a bike right ed?
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2007, 08:43:31 AM »
hey Eldar we agree!!  ;D (on the "no sides can win" debate)...and I would love for you to join me on vacation but i dont think you would fit in my suitcase ;-)

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2007, 08:49:40 AM »
I doubt I would. Not without a diet anyways!

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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2007, 08:51:57 AM »
I already did add something. And anyone with a brain that works can see what I said is a fact. This will always be a debate and nothing you can say will change that fact.  As for you only posting here just to keep stirring #$%*, well that might not be a fact but it sure seems like it might be.

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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2007, 09:07:11 AM »
I didn't start this thread or the other anti-gun thread.  I'm sure I won't finish it.  But since there are still several people (RM, Terry, Eldar, Andy) still posting in this thread, I guess I will too.

You don't like that?  I guess that's just too bad for you.

Have you got any thoughts on my last post about just how hard it really is to get, and carry, a gun legally in NYC and Washington D.C. (high gun-crime areas)?  That was a substantive post with many salient points, and no personal attacks.  I have not yet heard anyone argue that those points weren't true.

I already did add something. And anyone with a brain that works can see what I said is a fact. This will always be a debate and nothing you can say will change that fact.  As for you only posting here just to keep stirring #$%*, well that might not be a fact but it sure seems like it might be.
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2007, 09:43:51 AM »
Wow - I can't believe I'm about to post in a gun thread.  Guess I better get my flame-proof undies on...    ;)


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For what it's worth ed, I don't think you need to carry a gun "lawfully" to carry a gun in NYC, DC, or anywhere else in the United States.

In Oklahoma carrying legally means (after getting a permit) you have to carry in such a manner that nobody can tell you're carrying (no bulge, etc.).  If you can do that, uh... why are you paying for a permit?  OH!  it's the LAW!!!  Um... pretty sure it's a right (see previous document - dated 1791).

You know - the old "Free men don't ask permission..." blah, blah, blah  and all that.

I LOVE this country, flaws and all. I also accept that, because of some of those flaws, I may occasionally run afoul of the law.  This coming from an Eagle Scout!    :o

I guess I could sum it up by saying - I'm a Libertarian.   8)

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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2007, 09:58:04 AM »
I guess right now I feel that the situation in Kansas is more important than ed trying to stoke some ego trip of his.

Greensburg is destroyed and there is almost NOTHING standing.

http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/

It was an F5 tornado with winds over 200 mph.

More important than anything ed has said yet.

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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2007, 10:14:33 AM »
You KNOW I agree with you, firecracker.   But what about the metal detectors at the schools, libraries, subway stations, bus stations, office buildings, post offices and courthouses?  It is impossible to carry "constitutionally" in NYC or Washington, D.C. without getting "caught" and prosecuted.  In addition, the NYC legislature has made 1 year mandatory jail time the rule for simple handgun possession (with no real crime committed).  The only recourse is to test the local laws by getting arrested and convicted, then appeal the fight all the way up to the US Supreme Court (back to Constitutional level again), and take a chance that the SC would choose to review your case.

My point is that the highest gun-crime areas in the United States are Washington D.C. and NYC, yet these are also the areas with the most stringent gun control laws.

Wow - I can't believe I'm about to post in a gun thread.  Guess I better get my flame-proof undies on...    ;)


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For what it's worth ed, I don't think you need to carry a gun "lawfully" to carry a gun in NYC, DC, or anywhere else in the United States.

In Oklahoma carrying legally means (after getting a permit) you have to carry in such a manner that nobody can tell you're carrying (no bulge, etc.).  If you can do that, uh... why are you paying for a permit?  OH!  it's the LAW!!!  Um... pretty sure it's a right (see previous document - dated 1791).

You know - the old "Free men don't ask permission..." blah, blah, blah  and all that.

I LOVE this country, flaws and all. I also accept that, because of some of those flaws, I may occasionally run afoul of the law.  This coming from an Eagle Scout!    :o

I guess I could sum it up by saying - I'm a Libertarian.   8)

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2007, 10:16:45 AM »
Wow, that sucks, Eldar.  Since you are so upset, maybe you should start a new memorial thread for the victims instead of trying to bash me.

I guess right now I feel that the situation in Kansas is more important than ed trying to stoke some ego trip of his.

Greensburg is destroyed and there is almost NOTHING standing.

http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/

It was an F5 tornado with winds over 200 mph.

More important than anything ed has said yet.
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eldar

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2007, 10:25:28 AM »
Oh but why? You like to bash but cant take it yourself? ::)

Guess maybe the gun crap is getting old. I mean, everything you have said has been said before just by people much more eloquent than anything you have mustered. Maybe you should go and ride that bike in your avatar, if it is yours.

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2007, 10:31:35 AM »
Whatsa matter, Eldar, can't handle a grown up discussion?

Oh but why? You like to bash but cant take it yourself? ::)

Guess maybe the gun crap is getting old. I mean, everything you have said has been said before just by people much more eloquent than anything you have mustered. Maybe you should go and ride that bike in your avatar, if it is yours.
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1977 CB550K - SOLD
1997 YAMAHA XJ600S - SOLD
1986 GL1200I - SOLD
2004 BMW R1150R

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2007, 10:46:11 AM »
 ;D Well here's one of the failings of internet socializing. At this point, in the real world, this could have the steam taken out it by all of us trooping outside to watch a friendly round of fisticuffs. ;D  Somehow, the picture of two keyboard warriors, with 2 day beards, sitting in their underware in front of their monitors, cup of hot coffee at their sides,  doing battle , isn't quite as entertaining  8):)

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2007, 11:03:07 AM »
 :D :D :D  You have me pegged, right down to the 2 day beard.  I almost spit that coffee all over my keyboard.  :D :D :D

;D Well here's one of the failings of internet socializing. At this point, in the real world, this could have the steam taken out it by all of us trooping outside to watch a friendly round of fisticuffs. ;D  Somehow, the picture of two keyboard warriors, with 2 day beards, sitting in their underware in front of their monitors, cup of hot coffee at their sides,  doing battle , isn't quite as entertaining  8):)
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1977 CB550K - SOLD
1997 YAMAHA XJ600S - SOLD
1986 GL1200I - SOLD
2004 BMW R1150R

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eldar

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2007, 12:06:14 PM »
Oh grown up is fine. It is the kid ones that I cant stand. Someday you will actually make it to a kid one instead of that infant drooling of yours.