Topic: My Dad's Situation, "At Rehab" UPDATE!

[bill440cars]

God be with you and your Dad Bill. I've followed this thread but haven't posted. Your Dad is very lucky to have a son like you behind him. With all you've had going on you have been there to support me with the things I have had for the last couple of years. You are a good man brother. We haven't met face to face, but when I get down south I'd like to change that.

           Thank you Jay. You've had your hands pretty full yourself and I can fully sympathize with you all because we've gone through some pretty trying times over the years with Karla (our Daughter) because of her seizures and the time she went Toxic on Tegratol (went into a Gran Mal seizure and wasn't coming out of it) and was told that she could have gone to sleep and not wake up. So, ANY situation that involves a child and their family, really tugs at my heartstrings.

             Thank you for the kind words Jay, it would be cool to meet up with you and also with some of the others. Lord only knows if we will be able to meet some day. About the only support I am able to give is "Moral Support", but if I can mange it, I WILL do it!  You know, I have seen the Lord's hand in this several time. It's just too coincidental, the way some of the things have gone, you know?

             Jay, Give Bre our best and know that our family  AND our Church is still praying for Bre and all of you, on this. Some well meaning folks don't really realize what the family goes through, in times like that.
                             Thank YOU Jay, Bill                  

[bill440cars]

Hard to know what to say bill
I feel great for you that things are coming to a happy conclusion but i feel sad for you because of all the stress and #$%*-fights you`ve been through and have yet to go through with  skank and co.
Dont worry about holding your emotions back mate even the biggest toughest blokes need a good cry sometimes and times like these it might even help release a little pent up stress
Your a good bloke bill, i wish i could actually meet you one day.
Cheers
Troppo

           Sure appreciate the responses and support from you and the others, Troppo. I've had some moments during all of this, but no one's seen them. I guess the closest time was the 4th of August when the hospital decided to let Skank's POA stand against mine and she took Dad to that nursing home. Gotta say, I was pretty rattle that say and couldn't get in to see our attorney till 3:30PM, I felt like everything was coming all unraveled. I was talking to my wife on my cellphone, telling her what had happened and she started getting emotional which triggered the same response from me. Had to quickly get off of that phone. I HAVE to tell you, I really thought I was losing everything that day. I even found myself going out to the cemetary where my Dad's parents (my Granddad and Grandmother Van Pelt are buried) and talking about how I was glad that they weren't there to see David's actions. There have been some "Bumps in the road", but I think they are there to get my attention to remind me that God is in control. Of course, everytime they have to take him to the hospital, at his age and the condition of of health, it jars me and gets my attention very quickly.

            When Dad and I talk about the old days at the motorcycle shop with Granddad, Dad and myself, Dad says, yeah those days were a lot of fun and he really enjoyed them. Then, he follows up with, "I just can't figure out what happened with David!" Got to get this wrapped up and get the subject on t bigger and better things that will give him pleasure and get his mind off of the things that bring him down.

[bill440cars]

       Well, my buddy and I went down to finish up the yard work at my Dad's, only this time I took my Daughter. Didn't really want to, because she has anxiety problems, had a seizure problem from 11months old til 18 yrs old when they took out her left temporal lobe. Now she mainly has the anxiety problems, is mentally about 12-15 yrs old (she's actually 30 and will be 31 in Jan) and I didn't want to take the chance of David &/or Jan showing up and causing her stress. Well, might know it, I was doing the front yard and noticed this kid on a bicycle go by and turn around to go back past me. I kinda looked at him without being obvious and thought it was David's son Nicky (and it was). Just after he was out of sight, I went in the house where Karla was doing some cleaning up and such and told Karla and my buddy that I thought Nicky had been down, when suddenly the phone started ringing (4 different times). I wasn't about to answer it, had no desire to answer a caller that wouldn't leave a message. I went outside and saw him across the street. I spoke to him and he came over to find out how long we'd be there so he'd know how long "to keep his Dad at home!" Now, I have NO desire to meet up with David because Karla doesn't need the additional stress and David has NO respect for others, so I know he'd be a complete Fill In Your Own Word Here and not care about how it would affect Karla! Besides, all I want to do is get this thing settled and get them out of there and COMPLETELY out of Dad's life, cause that's the way he wants it. Junior and I had a dew words, of which he told me that my Mother GAVE David that house! Dad knows nothing about that. Dad's making the house payment, paying taxes on it AND insurance! Also, last year, when David made me aware of the changes that were made to take me out of the picture, I told him I knew they had bought the house with 4 lots and he had not made a single payment! His immediate response was that "he couldn't afford to!"   That sure doesn't sound like a gift to me, what do you all think?

           Anyway, I'm going into a higher gear and try to wrap this up ASAP and make every (Legal) effort to get them out of the area and see about getting ALL ties cut, that connect him to my Dad. Dad doesn't want anything to do with ANY of them because of all the B.S. that they have been up to.

            I need to find out if there is anyway that they can go for guardianship, if I've got what is supposed to be the ONLY Durable Power Of Attorney in existence.
 

[333]

Nicky seems to know enough to keep Shiftless away.  It's a shame that he will get caught in the middle when the eviction comes down.  It will certainly be an eye opener for him.  Unless he only gets the story from Shiftless.

And you do know that this will probably never go away.  No matter how many legal hoops you have to jump through, David could have the persistence to try and get back in either you or your Dads good graces.  Tough on the both of you, but especially your Dad.  And short of getting a restraining order, I don't see how you might stop him.  A judge would be hard pressed to issue one in a case like this.  Unless there has been some real criminal activity.  Time will tell.

[bill440cars]

Nicky seems to know enough to keep Shiftless away.  It's a shame that he will get caught in the middle when the eviction comes down.  It will certainly be an eye opener for him.  Unless he only gets the story from Shiftless.

And you do know that this will probably never go away.  No matter how many legal hoops you have to jump through, David could have the persistence to try and get back in either you or your Dads good graces.  Tough on the both of you, but especially your Dad.  And short of getting a restraining order, I don't see how you might stop him.  A judge would be hard pressed to issue one in a case like this.  Unless there has been some real criminal activity.  Time will tell.

           At first, I had some concern about Nicky and as time went on, I had less AND THEN today, the last thing he said was, "You know you aren't going to win this don't you?       I just told him, "We'll See!"  He is so full of it, just like David, er... I mean "Shiftless" Well, Dad has said many times lately that he wants to Disown David! He wants to cut ALL ties with him. He has even gone as far as to start telling folks that he only has ONE son! It IS a real shame, but he (Shiftless) has brought this on himself. He tried to get ME removed from getting anything and having any recognition from Dad and has ended up putting himself in that position. How does that go, We Reap What We Sow? At first, I had some compassion for them but now, after all they have dne, I have NONE!

[troppo]

G`day bill
From what ive read in the last couple of posts it seems that shiftless and skank now have the boy roped into their scheming, you say you have served the eviction notice ( i think i read you said that) then you have the right to get a restraining order banning them from your fathers property, that way they HAVE to be gone, no choice no arguement......
You have the right and the power to make the decisions, they dont. Your father has told you he wants them gone and out of his life, hard as it may be it is his wish and you have the right to do this.
To quote a large sporting brand  "Just do it"
Your a good bloke bill, you`ve done right so far, and i have no doubt you will keep doing so. You have to keep your dads best wishes and his best interests at the top of the list.
Being a good christian i know you dont want to hurt your "brother" but you can look after your dad or help shiftless...
Go hard mate, finish it now, and finalise it
Say G`day to your dad
Cheers
Troppo

[333]

Nicky sounds like he has the disadvantage of:
A- not knowing the truth about what has already happened
B- not knowing what you have done to circumvent Shiftless and Skank

I can't help but feel for the kid.  Although it sounds as though he is a little past the age where his Dad started down his path to the dark side.  So it may be even too late for Nicky. 

Sorry.  I'm soft where kids are concerned.

[bill440cars]

          Well folks, I get to go through it again!    SHE has filed for "Guardianship" AGAIN!!    David may not even know about this one, I don't know. She's got another lawyer. Apparently, when I showed the info (read "rap sheet") on her, to her attorney, she must have kicked them to the curb! Just got the Dakota and the trailer switched over to show "Walter H. Van Pelt OR William J. Van Pelt" as owners. Before it's all said and done, I just MAY have to go for Guardianship myself, to get them off of that track! Dad told me the last time that they tried this, "If you Have to go for Guardianship to stop them, then GO for it!" Like I told him then, I don't want to do that because that's what this is all about, HIM being HIS OWN guardian (as long as he's able). Just like the last time that they tried it, I felt I needed to check in at the County Clerk's Office and found out (then and today) that there was a petition for Guardianship filed. That was the Lord giving me guidance!   The last time this was tried, it was dismissed without prejudice. This time, I'm sure hoping that, when it's settled, it's done WITH prejudice. I'm getting so sick of this crap! My Dad has lived a pretty long life and deserves to spend his last bit of time, relaxing and enjoying life. Not wondering if we had FINALLY gotten the best of Shiftless and Sh_ _ less. I tell you, if something happened to them tonight, I could care less. I'm gonna close for now, I'm so beside myself, I am having a hard time concentrating on anything else.
                                     
 

[fuzzybutt]

go get em Bill, this crap has GOT to stop. they have GOT to be stopped. go to the cops, something. if it was me in that situation i'd be on the way to jail or prison by now though 

[kghost]

Some people you just have to crush Bill.

Sorry....I know he's your brother...but step on him like the cockraoch he is.

Go Conan on him:

The three great things in life:
1. crush your enemies
2. See them driven before you
3. Hearing the lamentations of the women. 

[333]

It sounds to me like it's not so much him as it is her.  Your comments in the past indicate that he's more interested in fishing than much else.  The court filings should indicate the name of the lawyer.  Just call, get the fax number, and fax the rap sheet over.

And so what if you have to file for guardianship.  It doesn't mean that you have to actually be his guardian or do any of that stuff.  It just means that they can't.  What does your lawyer friend have to say about it?

Ooh ooh!  What about hiring their old lawyer?  Wouldn't that add insult to injury!!!

[bill440cars]

go get em Bill, this crap has GOT to stop. they have GOT to be stopped. go to the cops, something. if it was me in that situation i'd be on the way to jail or prison by now though 

          I plan to go get them fuzzy! I've been talking to the lawyer and getting things together (we think we've got some pretty incriminating info AND evidence on her, plus the fact that I am BLOOD related and the Oldest Son And Willing to see that my Dad is taken care of)!  Got to remember that, beside trying to take care of my Dad, I've got my family AND my job which is to take care of and work with "Special Needs" folks. Got to try to take care of the situation with my Dad AND not jeapordize my family or my job (along with the folks we work with). None of the above needs to be cut short. I've done EVERYTHING by the book, nothing "underhanded". Everything I've done has been my Dad's wish and I Dare them to say that!   Hey, if the judge gets my Dad up there, talks with him a bit and simply ASKS him who he wants to be in charge, there is NO doubt in my mind what he'll say.

          BTW fuzzy, good to see that you are still with us.   After all, YOU are one of US and that's just the way it is!

[bill440cars]

Some people you just have to crush Bill.

Sorry....I know he's your brother...but step on him like the cockraoch he is.

Go Conan on him:

The three great things in life:
1. crush your enemies
2. See them driven before you
3. Hearing the lamentations of the women. 

       I can promise you that I am DAMNED tired of this crap and the effect it is having on my Dad, my Wife, my Daughter and, lastly, ME!

       If it would keep my Dad from having to stress about them, I'd crush them like the worthless pieces of S_ _ T that they are! As far as I'm concerned, they are already lost and soon as they are out of that house and the area, I will have NO desire to See or Hear from THEM again, PERIOD!  

[bill440cars]

It sounds to me like it's not so much him as it is her.  Your comments in the past indicate that he's more interested in fishing than much else.  The court filings should indicate the name of the lawyer.  Just call, get the fax number, and fax the rap sheet over.

And so what if you have to file for guardianship.  It doesn't mean that you have to actually be his guardian or do any of that stuff.  It just means that they can't.  What does your lawyer friend have to say about it?

Ooh ooh!  What about hiring their old lawyer?  Wouldn't that add insult to injury!!!

        Well, HIS part is that he wants Dad's place (and thinks he ought to have it!), he wants Dad's money so he won't have to work any more (Hence, more time to fish) He just matter of factly wants EVERYTHING!

         She mostly wants the money, the house, and the newish minivan. She's never had much of anything and sees a chance to have something.

         Nicky's just a TWERP that is just the spitting image of his dad, wants things and doesn't want to have to work for them.

           All of them like spending someone else's money, using someone else's stuff and not to have to earn any of it.

          Now, we are not sure if she is doing this latest episode with his knowledge or not.   We also don't know if her background is known by him or not. My wife figures that IF she were to get her hands on some money, she'd leave him in a heartbeat!
 

[bill440cars]

It sounds to me like it's not so much him as it is her.  Your comments in the past indicate that he's more interested in fishing than much else.  The court filings should indicate the name of the lawyer.  Just call, get the fax number, and fax the rap sheet over.

And so what if you have to file for guardianship.  It doesn't mean that you have to actually be his guardian or do any of that stuff.  It just means that they can't.  What does your lawyer friend have to say about it?

Ooh ooh!  What about hiring their old lawyer?  Wouldn't that add insult to injury!!!

        Well, HIS part is that he wants Dad's place (and thinks he ought to have it!), he wants Dad's money so he won't have to work any more (Hence, more time to fish) He just matter of factly wants EVERYTHING!

         She mostly wants the money, the house, and the newish minivan. She's never had much of anything and sees a chance to have something.

         Nicky's just a TWERP that is just the spitting image of his dad, wants things and doesn't want to have to work for them.

           All of them like spending someone else's money, using someone else's stuff and not to have to earn any of it.

          Now, we are not sure if she is doing this latest episode with his knowledge or not.   We also don't know if her background is known by him or not. My wife figures that IF she were to get her hands on some money, she'd leave him in a heartbeat!
 
          But, if I WERE to go for guardianship, I'd have to prove that my Dad was "Incompetent" and I just couldn't do that very easily.

          We may just get some more stuff on miss Janet (Skank).

      I agree, that WOULD be a nice touch, to use HER old lawyer! 

[bill440cars]

       Well, after driving through all kinds if wind and heavy rains to get down to see my Dad today, by the time I left the hospital and on my way back, I had arranged to temporarily changed my Dad's address to send all his mail to my address. I had gotten things started to get his completely released from "The Nursing Home", so that when he is released from the hospital, he can go to the Golden Years Village Retirement Home here in Greenwood. Then, later this afternoon, I was told by the hospital that my Dad might well be released in about 3 days. I have already made it clear to the folks there, that when my Dad is released, I will be the one to pick him up! He is READY to come here and get away from that Nursing Home and from David and especially Skank.

        Our lawyer is ready to go full throttle with this. I mean, think about it. Would you want to turn my 83yr old Dad who was said to have Alzheimer's (mid stage, or so) and supposed to be incompetent to his daughter-in-law (of 3yrs) who has a record of convictions (check fraud and malicious destruction of property)   

                                   OR

        Would you think that he should be in the hands of his Oldest Biological Son who he has the sense about himself to put him in charge of ALL his financial affairs, put him in as co owner of his properties and vehicles. Also, Knowingly given him a full Durable Power Of Attorney, Durable Health Care Power Of Attorney AND naming him the MAJOR beneficiary is his WILL. Basically making him the Guardian, without actually going that last step.

        Everything is set with me having full control of everything, except actually taking over Guardianship and I've got that control right up to the end. (Even though I don't want to think about the end)  If I can just give him some time that he can be relaxed, have peace of mind and not have to be concerned about either one of them again, I will have done things right!

        Also, the Dr. who is named in the petition for Guardianship that she has started, gave an affidavid that is dated the 6th of Aug and  I was in full control of my Dad's affairs before that time. That just doesn't seem Kosher (nothing meant  by the use of that word) to me or my Wife. BTW, there is some might DEEP digging going on, to see if there is any National Dirt on Skank OR Shiftless!

        Going back down tomorrow to see my Dad and to meet with our lawyer and see what we have going and also to pick up "The Eviction". My Dad kinda flinched when I told him that this could get expensive going to court, but when I said, "Would you rather spend a good amount of money t get rid of the for good or would you rather NOT spend the money, let her win and you go back to the nursing home while they spend YOUR money!" No hesitation, He quickly replied, "SPEND THE MONEY!" And he said that very firmly! He doesn't know yet, that he has a pretty good chance of going of getting out of there in about 3 days. I'm not telling him until tomorrow morning, when I am standing beside him. I want to be there to see the look on his face.   My buddy is going down to  my Dad's house with me on Friday, to get some things to put in his room at Golden Years Village that will make it a more personal touch in his new room. I promise you that he was happy when I told him yesterday that he WAS NOT going back to that Nursing Home. My lawyer says that if we are not served, the judge won't even start the proceedings.               

[medic09]

We're all praying for your success, strength, and *sanity* Bill!

And, for what it is worth, the word 'kosher' is Hebrew for 'fit' or 'suitable'.  Perfectly good word as you used it. 

[troppo]

G`day bill
You keep saying that they are trying to get "guardianship" of your dad, you dont want to because it would offend or insult your dad.
I reckon you should do it, just to prevent them trying again and again.
It doesnt mean you have to control your dads life, your a decent man, he knows it and will realise if you explain that it is ONLY to stop them doing it, you would let your dad make his own decisions until the point where he cant.
You need to do whatever you can to stop this pair, for your sake, your families sake and most importantly for your dads sake.
Cheers
Troppo

[kghost]

G`day bill
You keep saying that they are trying to get "guardianship" of your dad, you dont want to because it would offend or insult your dad.
I reckon you should do it, just to prevent them trying again and again.
It doesnt mean you have to control your dads life, your a decent man, he knows it and will realise if you explain that it is ONLY to stop them doing it, you would let your dad make his own decisions until the point where he cant.
You need to do whatever you can to stop this pair, for your sake, your families sake and most importantly for your dads sake.
Cheers
Troppo

+1...seems the thing to do.

[medic09]

G`day bill
You keep saying that they are trying to get "guardianship" of your dad, you dont want to because it would offend or insult your dad.
I reckon you should do it, just to prevent them trying again and again.
It doesnt mean you have to control your dads life, your a decent man, he knows it and will realise if you explain that it is ONLY to stop them doing it, you would let your dad make his own decisions until the point where he cant.
You need to do whatever you can to stop this pair, for your sake, your families sake and most importantly for your dads sake.
Cheers
Troppo

+2  You've already got Dad's support.

+1...seems the thing to do.

[bill440cars]

We're all praying for your success, strength, and *sanity* Bill!

And, for what it is worth, the word 'kosher' is Hebrew for 'fit' or 'suitable'.  Perfectly good word as you used it. 

           Thank you Medic, I've used the word that way for a number of years. I figured that you would know that I was only using that word in a proper way, but I just wanted to make it perfectly clear.

            As always, I am very appreciative of the Prayers. I'll tell you that my Wife and I can definitely see God's Hand in this. We feel that we can only come out on top of this effort for my Dad, everything we have done is filed at the Court House and is ONLY what my Dad wants! Yes, I AM wanting to have the home that he and my Mom retired to and spent some time there before she was taken by Cancer, but if he ended up spending The Money That THEY Earned and SHE managed into a NICE Nest Egg for them to retire with, then so be it. If there happens to be some left, When My Dad Is Called Home, then, that'll be okay too! As you have seen, I AM NOT my brother, what's Dad's is Dad's (as long as he is here with us).  Thanks Medic, I value your friendship!

[bill440cars]

G`day bill
You keep saying that they are trying to get "guardianship" of your dad, you dont want to because it would offend or insult your dad.
I reckon you should do it, just to prevent them trying again and again.
It doesnt mean you have to control your dads life, your a decent man, he knows it and will realise if you explain that it is ONLY to stop them doing it, you would let your dad make his own decisions until the point where he cant.
You need to do whatever you can to stop this pair, for your sake, your families sake and most importantly for your dads sake.
Cheers
Troppo

          Well, the thing is, we have a new Will and, if we went for Guardianship, the NEW Will would be NO GOOD and THEY have a Will that ours Revoked. Now, maybe we could set things up to get his things locked in so that nothing would be affected and THEN go for Guardianship. He and I have already had the Guardianship discussion, in which he told me that, "If it takes me getting Guardianship to stop them, then do it!" Of course he knows that, as far as I'm concerned, it would still continue on with him doing his own thing (as much as possible). Yeah, my Dad is the main concern, then my family with me at the end of things. They all come first. I mean that's the way it is supposed to be. David seems to have forgotten that.

         Also, I don't think I've already said this, but he might well get to get out of the hospital in about THREE days!  
   

[troppo]

         Also, I don't think I've already said this, but he might well get to get out of the hospital in about THREE days!  
   

Well you`d better get yourself busy organising a welcome home party for the old bloke, let him know just how relieved and happy you are

[kghost]

Thats really good news Bill...three days yayyyy!!!  

I'm not sure how your gaurdianship would negate his will...but perhaps I'm an idiot about those things.

Thats what lawyers are for.

Always thought lawyers were like nuclear weapons....

Hate to use one because it screws everything up for 10,000 years...but ya have to have one because the other guy has one.

Keep at it Brother Bill

[bill440cars]

          Don't have to tell YOU ALL that I appreciate your input on this...........................BUT I WILL...................................
.....................................And I DO!!!!! Every Single One Of You who Have Been Involved In This Thread, In What Ever Way, My Hat Is Off To You (that's the only thing I can possibly do to THANK YOU ALL. Just ONE of many reasons that I am VERY proud to be a simple member of THIS forum!

                                       Take care, Bill