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« on: February 28, 2008, 12:25:14 PM »


 i know there is a kit for harley(easy pull clutch kit) but i was wondering if something like that
is made for japan bike?
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2008, 12:30:40 PM »
Yes its called an "automatic"  - the might CB750A  ;D

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2008, 12:32:21 PM »
 

 thats good :D
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2008, 12:47:39 PM »
Properly adjusted and lubricated honda clutchs are about as easy as they ever get.
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2008, 01:04:10 PM »
Properly adjusted and lubricated honda clutchs are about as easy as they ever get.


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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2008, 01:47:24 PM »
teflon lubricant for mountain bikes works really well, especially when it says "dry" on the bottle.  what do other people use?
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2008, 01:52:23 PM »
even with the heavy duty barnett springs i can pull the clutch one fingered.

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2008, 03:15:55 PM »


 I think i'll change my cable because i can't pull the clutch with one finger :o
 i need four!!! even with a lot of lubricant ;D

 I have my bike for about 8 years now and i never changed the cable,so i think a new cable
will be on the bike for the next summer.
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2008, 03:26:14 PM »
I think thats a great idea Bert! My K2 clutch is like butter....soft and smooth  ;)

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2008, 04:53:31 PM »
A new cable will make all the difference. On my 500
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2008, 05:20:18 PM »


  What's your suggestions OEM or Motion Pro ???
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2008, 05:34:10 PM »
Make sure your cable is routed with the largest bend radius possible.  The more bends and the sharper the bends, the more resistance to movement will be had.

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2008, 05:51:33 PM »
i use all motion pro cables, clutch, tach, speedo and throttle. no problems at all.

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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2008, 06:10:53 PM »
There actually is a kit you can get, it adds a block and tackle in a sealed box inline with the clutch making it much easier to pull the lever. Its made mostly for people with arthritis that cant physically pull a clutch lever in without pain.

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2008, 06:38:31 PM »
Thats interesting, where did you see that mod? I have neuropathy in my left hand, and struggle with my clutch in traffic. BTW, drilling extra holes in early model clutch baskets greatly improves clutch action. While this shouldn't effect the effort it takes to pull back the lever, Ive found it makes actuation smoother, witch might equate to less time grabbin clutch. Just a thought.

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2008, 06:56:38 PM »
You can go to Dennis Kirk website and look for the Moose Easy Pull Clutch System. The Dennis Kirk part # is 57706. I have used these on some of my vintage motocross bikes to help with a heavy clutch pull and they worked great for that. I see no reason why they wouldn't work with any type of cable operated system. They are adjustable as to how much pull you want as well.

                                     
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2008, 08:34:23 PM »
Thats interesting, where did you see that mod? I have neuropathy in my left hand, and struggle with my clutch in traffic. BTW, drilling extra holes in early model clutch baskets greatly improves clutch action. While this shouldn't effect the effort it takes to pull back the lever, Ive found it makes actuation smoother, witch might equate to less time grabbin clutch. Just a thought.

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Thats where i saw the mod, the guy who posted the picture said this:

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Thats a clutch easy,  its a leverage multiplier ,  and yes, its a  concession to my arthritis. I bought it at Jim's cycle supply in Maplewood MN. for 35.00 (1999)  The cable broke last year and I haven't gotten around to replacing it , but I will soon, as the clutch on the Honda is so much easier to pull in, that its spoiling me
Its a bit tricky to get adjusted correctly  but Worth the effort .

Im sure other people make that kind of device, might be a bit tricky to find though :) I wish i had one too, my hand gets tired really quickly it'd make stop and go traffic alot easier. Really i dont need 2 inches of cable travel, the clutch friction zone isnt that big  :D

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2008, 09:18:44 PM »
Try this, pretty old method but works well.

Undo the clutch cable and let it stick straight up, a lot want to do that anyway unless you routed differently. Now I assume the cable is relatively good condition. Take an oil can and drip oil down the cable, wipe off excess. You can move the cable  up & down a half inch or more  which will help oil to run down.. repeat a few times. let it sit awhile so oil runs down..

Make sure the handlever is lubed up and not dry & binding. A dry cable will swallow lots of oil.. no oil can use oil off the dipstick... Cable should free up & be smooth as buttah!!

Some used to put a baggy over it and tie on..but it is too messy.

 If your cable pops out the lower end just remove cover and hook back in.
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2008, 05:21:02 PM »
You can go to Dennis Kirk website and look for the Moose Easy Pull Clutch System. The Dennis Kirk part # is 57706. I have used these on some of my vintage motocross bikes to help with a heavy clutch pull and they worked great for that. I see no reason why they wouldn't work with any type of cable operated system. They are adjustable as to how much pull you want as well.

                                     
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I will give it a try,thanks ;)
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2008, 05:31:07 PM »
You can go to Dennis Kirk website and look for the Moose Easy Pull Clutch System. The Dennis Kirk part # is 57706. I have used these on some of my vintage motocross bikes to help with a heavy clutch pull and they worked great for that. I see no reason why they wouldn't work with any type of cable operated system. They are adjustable as to how much pull you want as well.

                                     
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I posted about this in the feedback section.  I was looking for some opinions of it.  It is about $36 at Dennis Kirk.  The link is in my post.

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2008, 07:29:03 PM »
Why do you guys use the clutch ??

I use it only for going from neutral to 1st on start off..... all other upwards shifting is done without the clutch...

I use the clutch sometimes on the way down quickly from 5th to 2nd for braking advantage - not all the time though.

I try to minimise my left hand action, where it is not required.. :)

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« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2008, 08:49:09 PM »
Why do you guys use the clutch ??

I use it only for going from neutral to 1st on start off..... all other upwards shifting is done without the clutch...

I use the clutch sometimes on the way down quickly from 5th to 2nd for braking advantage - not all the time though.

I try to minimise my left hand action, where it is not required.. :)

Because i like my shift dogs in one piece :O
No matter how smooth you are at stomping it in gear without using the clutch you've got the full weight of the bike on the transmission. It might not feel like it, but you're putting full load on sharp edges of metal.
It wont kill your tranny, most likely, but i'd avoid wear if you can.
(PS using your clutch friction to brake the bike, brakes are made for stopping, your clutch isnt  :o)

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2008, 10:07:35 PM »
Clutches are not difficult to replace/repair...
powershifting is also I believe, if done properly, :) not wearing on the tranny... :)

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« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2008, 11:28:59 PM »
Clutches are not difficult to replace/repair...
powershifting is also I believe, if done properly, :) not wearing on the tranny... :)

I agree, also, this 'red line' feature is more like a guideline than anything else. It seems arbitrary to me, probably would be good for 2k over at least.

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #24 on: February 29, 2008, 11:40:27 PM »

I use the clutch sometimes on the way down quickly from 5th to 2nd for braking advantage - not all the time though.

I try to minimise my left hand action, where it is not required.. :)

I'm not buying a used bike from you, that's for sure.   ;D

Yes, upshifting can be done without clutch and a flick let off on the throttle to match gear speeds. 

Down shifting is quite another matter as you have to rev the engine to match gear speeds.  This is tricky to do, and botching this places significant wear on transmission bits.

The clutch is your friend and deserves regular stroking.  ;D

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« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2008, 11:46:20 PM »

I use the clutch sometimes on the way down quickly from 5th to 2nd for braking advantage - not all the time though.

I try to minimise my left hand action, where it is not required.. :)

I'm not buying a used bike from you, that's for sure.   ;D

Yes, upshifting can be done without clutch and a flick let off on the throttle to match gear speeds. 

Down shifting is quite another matter as you have to rev the engine to match gear speeds.  This is tricky to do, and botching this places significant wear on transmission bits.

The clutch is your friend and deserves regular stroking.  ;D

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2008, 11:49:57 PM »
In particular - what "red line" feature are you talking about ??, I'm not familiar with this term.....if you mean 2000 rpm and upwards to shift, or shift at RED LINE as per the tach - I don't shift at RED LINE, I shift when I am comfortable with my transition from say 2-3 or 3-4 etc- it may be any RPM from 2000 upwards...but not red line - that makes for a quick motor breakdown if you miss changes..

TT - I don't thrash my motors, and I'm confident when I downshift as well, if you know your speed and gearing its fine... and I don't really "STROKE" my clutch/es either.. Though I'm sure, some people may stroke theirs..... ;D
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« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2008, 11:51:23 PM »
Inanae - thanks  ;D ;D

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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2008, 12:05:09 AM »
No i mean that red section on the tach, the one thats way up there around 10k or so. Its more of a guideline.
Its kinda like 85mph speedos, you obviously can go faster ergo the tach "says" you shouldnt go into the red zone but you totally can, at least 2k into it i'd say.

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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2008, 05:20:01 AM »
Also make sure the pivot bolt for the clutch hasn't been overtightened, causing it to pinch down on the lever.
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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2008, 10:25:03 AM »
Stock motor can easily hit 9K on a cb 750

9 K in 4th gear is about 115, shift to 5th and it probably will not go any faster..


 Gotta wonder though about (in another thread here) a revlimiter that is set at 10,500 on a built motor?.. maybe that is just for breakin? or needs a better cam..
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« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2008, 10:48:28 AM »
Thier "funnin" with ya  ::) :D
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2008, 06:11:29 PM »
So downshifting on long downhills to 'engine brake' isn't recommended?  I'd have thought that on these old bikes with the rear drum brake and the possibility of overheating, downshifting would be a good idea. ???
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2008, 07:06:42 PM »
I know I'll get flamed for this so I'm wearing my asbestos shorts!! The clutchless shifting debate is as old as motorcycles.

With all due respect, and from a mechanics viewpoint I'll place another vote for using the clutch to shift. If I was riding someone elses bike and racing for a big trophy then its different,  If its my favorite bike the clutch always gets used, especially for downshifts. I can nudge the clutch as fast as my foot can shift, so there's no downside to it. Clutchless shifting is just lazy. I never have this argument with a mechanic, its always a customer who never looked close at a transmission.

It absolutely does round off the gear dogs faster. However, transmissions are very robust and chances are it may be a problem for one of the next owners so the abuser goes on oblivious to its effects. Besides, most bikes never see high mileage, or something else does it in. Kinda like smoking,.. there's no apparent side effects while your doing it, and most people die for other reasons anyway, but its still unhealthy.

I will acknowledge that a careful clutchless upshift with a perfectly timed throttle interuption can unload the gears and work with no consequences. This rarely happens perfectly so the gear dogs usually end up crashing into eachother to some degree. We just don't hear or feel it. Its almost never possible to downshift in a way that causes no harm, and again, its just not any faster!

Transmission wear may be a small thing and anyone can choose to do clutchless shifting if it makes riding more fun for you, but just like smoking, its not harmless, just a calculated risk. In my mind its a little unethical to sell a bike without mentioning it or ride someone elses bike that way without asking.

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2008, 07:13:31 PM »
No flames here, that was well put. :)

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2008, 08:29:19 PM »
I agreewith your comments, and will certainly let the next owner of my cb250n with 99,967km on it, and will inform him/her I don't use the clutch to shift "very much"...but as to the wear on the transmission I will never know as I don't plan on doing anything with it - even if it does happen to break....it will be sold as is..  caveat emptor.....   ;D

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2008, 11:01:11 AM »
You can go to Dennis Kirk website and look for the Moose Easy Pull Clutch System. The Dennis Kirk part # is 57706. I have used these on some of my vintage motocross bikes to help with a heavy clutch pull and they worked great for that. I see no reason why they wouldn't work with any type of cable operated system. They are adjustable as to how much pull you want as well.

                                     
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Anybody know where is the best place(cheap shipping to Canada!) to buy this "system"
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2008, 02:47:53 PM »
So downshifting on long downhills to 'engine brake' isn't recommended?  I'd have thought that on these old bikes with the rear drum brake and the possibility of overheating, downshifting would be a good idea. ???

According to the owner's manual for my CB750, it's OK to do so as long as you don't redline it.
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