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GREETINGS.. Newbie here.. thinking about restoring a Honda CB750K3 that I "FOUND" in my girlfriends back yard.. ya see she moved in to this house and the previous owner had played around with bikes in the past.. he didn't want to have to move the bikes so he basically left everything as is... he said if I wanted the bike, it was mine.. problem is he never had the title.. so that would be my first order of business..

Now to the order of business..

The good:
-Engine turns over easily with the kick start.. sound like it has good compression.
-front wheel is pristine
-All chrome is in good shape (after we washed it up)
-oil is clean and looks new(ish)
-doesn't seem to have ever been layed down..
-all side panels are present
-tank is in good shape
-all rust is superficial ONLY (except on back wheel see below)
-seat is PRISTINE.. now tears or anything..

The bad
-transmission seems to be locked up.. don't know how hard that would be to fix.. i see transmission part for sale all the time on Ebay..
-rear wheel is rusted beyond repair
-exhaust is rusted beyond repair..
-It is missing the headlight (EDIT: I got one off of ebay along with a Clymers manual)
-front caliper and rotor are missing..
-master cylinder is DRY so it will need to be rebuilt.
-tires hold air but are checked and rotted and need to be replaced
-all cables are shot and need to be replaced.
-It looks as if the owner started to do some wiring in the front but lost interest or removed the parts.. electrical is not a problem as my dad is an electrical engineer and can help me with the wiring..
-plug wires are shot..
-chain need replacing..

The pics look bad because we have BAD pollen down here.. I have since washed it up and DAMN it looks good.. Chrome looks AWESOME!!!!! So basically everything WHITE or GREEN you see on the bike just WIPES off..

Is it worth keeping and fixing or part the #$%* out for $$$$$$

This would be my first bike..
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2005, 10:10:20 AM »
SCREW THE GEOCITIES SITE.. I JUST UPLOADED THEM TO PHOTOBUCKET!

BESIDES THE MIDDING HEADLIGHT AND BRAKES.. THE BIKE IS 100% COMPLETE.....



















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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2005, 10:23:36 AM »
Yeah Louisiana Pollen sucks!!!!!!!!!.. I should really get it cleaned up and take some more pictures.. problem is, like I said, the tranny is locked up and I can't move the bike AT ALL.. I can only get it up onto the back stand by lifting up on the back of the bike while my girlfriend rocks the bike back.. Besides.. out there, there are TONS OF MOSQUITOS (west nile!)

I think I am going to have to cut the chain to move it..

Is it true that the original chains didn't have a removeable link??? If there was a removabel link I would just take it off but as it is (and since I would be replacing it down the road anyways) I think I am going to have to cut it off!!!! That way I can clean it up and take some better pics..
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2005, 11:28:07 AM »
First thing A) get it out of the barn B) get it over to MY house :D C) compression/leakdown check

if compression checks out OK... Then A) change the oil B) test/rebuild petcock C)  check gas tank D) rebuild carbs E) order new cables...

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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2005, 11:43:11 AM »
I'm currently having a friend (who's dad is a police officer) check out the VIN to see if it is "hot"

If it comes back clean and not titled I will have the DMV check it out also.. if the registration is expired.. I am going to go to broadway title and pay the $100 and have them title it. Hopefully it isn't a salvage.. supposedly the the guy who gave it to the man who previously owned the house was the titled owner.. but since the guy who owned the house was going to use the parts for another project he never bothered getting the title from him.... seems like this is a project that several people tried to take on and lost interest with..

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NOTE: You will NOT receive a certificate of title from us!

Your Responsibilities are to make sure that the vehicle is not currently titled in your state, stolen, salvaged or a kit car.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2005, 11:48:17 AM »
Good luck with it. Once the title issue is cleared-up, check out the mechanicals and invest in some elbow grease, then decide how much $$ you're willing to put into her. Assuming it goes OK, you will get a great deal of satisfaction out of the resurrection.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2005, 11:53:23 AM »
I would be SUPER proud to ride this bike around ESPECIALLY knowing that I was able to resurrect it from the motorcycle GRAVE.. (note the other graveyard VICTIMS in the background of the above pictures)

I love getting my hands dirty!!!! and not affraid to take on most projects.. the only thing that is going to be a barrier is MONEY.. but isn't it always :D

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2005, 07:38:31 PM »
it's hard for me to believe the trans is locked(just a feeling)
probably something else
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2005, 07:56:48 PM »
cd I'm dig'n that chop man...what kinda front end u got on it?
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2005, 08:13:15 PM »
I had the "can't move it" issue when I first got my project bike at my brother's house.  It had nothing to do with the trans.  If the oil looks good, chances are the trans is fine.  I'd pull the rear wheel and take the brake pads out and see if that gets you rolling.  Like several have said before, you got a gem of a deal.  Put in the time and it'll reward you. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2005, 10:52:56 PM »
When I first tried to move my "find" it took three of us to push it up on to the trailer... the brakes had "bound" due to the 7 or so years it had sat in the shed uncovered with a hole in the roof over it! Try to dismantle the brakes first?
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2005, 03:26:53 PM »
thanks digga
it's from a 95 gsxr1100

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2005, 04:45:05 AM »
GREETINGS.. Newbie here.. thinking about restoring a Honda CB750K3 that I "FOUND" in my girlfriends back yard.. ya see she moved in to this house and the previous owner had played around with bikes in the past.. he didn't want to have to move the bikes so he basically left everything as is... he said if I wanted the bike, it was mine.. problem is he never had the title.. so that would be my first order of business..

Now to the order of business..

The good:
-Engine turns over easily with the kick start.. sound like it has good compression.
-front wheel is pristine
-All chrome is in good shape (after we washed it up)
-oil is clean and looks new(ish)
-doesn't seem to have ever been layed down..
-all side panels are present
-tank is in good shape
-all rust is superficial ONLY (except on back wheel see below)
-seat is PRISTINE.. now tears or anything..

The bad
-transmission seems to be locked up.. don't know how hard that would be to fix.. i see transmission part for sale all the time on Ebay..
-rear wheel is rusted beyond repair
-exhaust is rusted beyond repair..
-It is missing the headlight (EDIT: I got one off of ebay along with a Clymers manual)
-front caliper and rotor are missing..
-master cylinder is DRY so it will need to be rebuilt.
-tires hold air but are checked and rotted and need to be replaced
-all cables are shot and need to be replaced.
-It looks as if the owner started to do some wiring in the front but lost interest or removed the parts.. electrical is not a problem as my dad is an electrical engineer and can help me with the wiring..
-plug wires are shot..
-chain need replacing..

The pics look bad because we have BAD pollen down here.. I have since washed it up and DAMN it looks good.. Chrome looks AWESOME!!!!! So basically everything WHITE or GREEN you see on the bike just WIPES off..

Is it worth keeping and fixing or part the #$%* out for $$$$$$

This would be my first bike..

I remember your posts from the old board, how are you fairing in louisiana now that the hurricane has hit?

Still waiting on pics of your bike after you cleaned it up. Those before pics look awful but if you know how the louisiana weather affect bikes you know it ins't as bad as some of the rust bucketrs hanging around the north. I have resurected worse bikes pulled from louisiana salvage yards.

If I remember correctly you are kinda new to bikes also. What do you mean the transmission is locked? does the lever not shift it? Chances are the clutch plates are locked together meaning that when you pull in the clutch the trans is still in gear (this is a common problem amoung bikes that sit espically in louisiana). Because the bike is in gear and the clutch is locked you may not be able to shift it out of gear without rocking it back and fourth. Really this would mean the clutch needs a rebuild but the way we used to break these clutches loose is to ride the bike up the street with the clutch lever in until the plates seperated. YOu may want to just rebuild the clutch (it will need it anyway) and go from there. Sounds like the bike just needs the usual stuff you do when you restore a bike. Clancy's in Gretna is a pretty nice salavge yard with tons of cb750 parts and you may be able to get all you need through him (provided it is still there after the hurricane). Almost all the parts you need are available either used or new (things like caliper rebuild kits and plugs are commonly available at your honda dealer).

Personally I don't think you are nuts for trying to redo the bike because I know it probably isn't as bad as it looks. Now lets some some after the clean up pics.


Edit: I sould really slow down and read all posts, otherwise I would have seen you mention me. It's Kerry from (formerly) New Orleans. One thing I have learned about bikes in louisiana is that while corrosion is common to the outside surfaces, if you have good airtight seal the internals will be as perfect as they were when running. I have pulled nasty corroded engines apart only to find fresh machine work inside, this is after the bike sat outside for over a year. There isn't that much variance in the temprature so if something (espically rubber) is kept in oil it will usually stay looking fresh. The heat tends to dry out all rubber items that are kept well lubed (like the carb rubbers).

 I forgot all about the rear brakes on the cb750, they are not airtight and if that rim is as bad as you say then the brake shoes are probably corroded to the lining. The correct way would be to disassemble the back wheel and try and knock the rear brake free. The hammer mechanic way would be to get a rubber mallet, disconect the brake drum lever arm and give the brake actuating arm a few light taps. An easy way to check if the rear brake drum is stuck is to remove the brake stay and try and turn the inside of the brake with the wheel stationary, if it does not turn give it a few whacks to see if you can loosen it up otherwise that sucker needs to come off.  While you have the rubber mallet in hand give the frotn caliper a whack to make sure it is not stuck.

AS for chopping the bike it would probably be a good canidate for this but I recomend learning to ride a stocker before attempting to go out and ride something with poor handeling and suspension geometry. Not that i am one to talk my honda chop is a death trap, but I have been riding since I was 15. As for the resto you don't have to do a correct paint, numbers matching resto, a couple of rattle cans of paint is usually all you need cosmetically speaking - you don't have to get fancy.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2005, 12:28:43 PM »
Gave the VIN # to a co worker who's dad is a Police officer.. he is supposed to be checking it today and getting back with me about it.. If it is no longer titled and NOT stolen.. IT IS ON!!!!

If it is stolen.. he is going to tell me the best way to get rid of it, legally.... :(

I also hope it wasn't totalled out.. that would suck too... but good for the people on here.. there will be tons of parts for sale.. :D Radigga will get first dibs of course!!!!

If the frame comes back as...ahem...no good then drop me a line, I might be able to help you find a titleable frame in your area. Getting frames w/titles are not a problem so long as you don't have to give the bike back (like if it is stolen). I might even have one laying around if you are desperate.

Worst case scenario is you can drop some dosh on a frame from cycleexchange or one of the other honda chopper frame builders and get one with an MSO so you can build and title your own honda chop. At that point all you would need to salvage is the engine, front end and wheels (part the rest out to pay for your project).

Glad y'all down in Louisiana weathered katrina ok. My Girlfriend's hosue in mandevile was hit hard by several trees and is a wreck but at least they are alive. I have not heard from several friends of mine yet so I hope they are alright. If either of you get the chance to road trip to clancy's in gretna, let me know how it fared.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2005, 09:41:17 PM »
Found some pics on a disk or the bike after we cleaned it up a TAD.. still need to cut the chain and get it out of the barn so i can REALLY get a better look at it..

front rim.. no rust.. I swiped it with my finger that is why there is a clean spot.. of course the spokes have to be replaced..


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/scottolan/DSC01172.jpg

cleaned up side cover


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/scottolan/DSC01175.jpg

Just a little "simple green" degreaser shined it right up


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/scottolan/DSC01171.jpg

More simple green.. the fender and chrome in GOOD shape


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/scottolan/DSC01170.jpg

rear fender too


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/scottolan/DSC01166.jpg

Peekaboo


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/scottolan/DSC01169.jpg

gauges cleaned up well... and are not faded or cracked in the least.. (don't ask me what that THING is the previous owner put on there.. all I know is that the is a lot of extended/loose wiring to fix) If I remember right, it has about 30,000 miles on it..


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/scottolan/DSC01168.jpg

just cleaned the tank to see what the condition was.. lots of scratches but nary a dent


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/scottolan/DSC01167.jpg

This is useable... RIGHT? LOL!!!


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/scottolan/DSC01160.jpg

The Ex.. Rachael... Who gave me the bike and threatens to not let me have it every time I piss her off.. LOL


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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2005, 11:19:24 PM »
Just look at that clean Tach!!!!!!!! It wants to red line..it does it really does!!!!!!
She's starting to show a smile, just a small one but a smile non the less.

2 months man, Get on with it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2005, 09:36:14 AM »
it is coming around but you still have your work cut out for you. At this point you may want to consider buying an impact driver. Not the air tool impact gun, but an impact driver is a screwdriver that everytime you hit with a hammer it turns 20 degrees. neat little toy but just looking at some of those case screws makes me think you will need one.

As humid as Louisiana is, the heat down there does a good job of keeping the rot at bay, probably because it is too hot for condensation to form from temp changes. 90% of the rubber items on that bike that have been exposed to the elements are probably shot, so you still need to go through the bike and see what needs to be replaced. Good luck.
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2005, 01:13:50 PM »
...gotta tell ya Ho...u'r gonna catch hell trying to get that bike titled in Louisiana if you don't have any paperwork on it.  May want to try some of the titling companies...or better yet, if you know somebody in the car business who could come up with a title for you...that would be ideal...

titling in Louisiana is goinna be tough, I woudl try broadway title company as they are in alabama and it won't raise the same kind of eyebrows that paperwork from maine would raise. Make sure the bike is at your house and in your possession before spending the money to get a title...otherwise your EX might pull the rug out from under ya and all you will be left with is paper in one hand and your johnson in the other.

Going to do the broadwaytitle.com thing.. Seems like the ONLY way to do it with an abandoned bike.. I E-mailed the DMV about titling an abandoned vehicle and they said something about it would take a court order of some sort... I was like FORGET IT!

Geeto67 I don't have to worry about my ex, she has absolutely no clue what to do with the bike that is why she offered it up to me.. Now her dad.. is another story.. hehehe he rode Harley's back in the day.. and thought about fixing it up.. BUT even if the bike is in there possession.. what can they do with it if I have the title??.. The could NEVER register it.. i could let him fix it up and then have him try to register it and take it from him all restored.. LOL.. I really don't worry about them.. her dad has enough on his plate to be worrying about that old bike.. now once it is gone.. he will tell her he wanted it and complain about her giving it away.. he didn't have any interest in the bike at all until I did.. that is just the type of person he is.. useless to do anything then once something slips through his hands he #$%*es about it..

I am actually kicking around the idea of getting a 550 or 750 that is running and learn to ride on it and then use the junker as a grounds up restore project or part it out to fund the used 550/750 that I will buy.. or possibly a chop.. who knows..
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2005, 03:14:10 PM »
Push the axle/chain adjuster full forward in the swing arm to get some slack, pull the chain off.  Titles are relative depending on the state. If that bike were sold to you in say the state of AL,GA you would not need a title as they do not require them on bikes of that age.
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In the State of Vermont, you do not need a title for any motorcycle that is more than Ten years old. So there is hope.

#1.) Get the Bike in your posession. (I think that has almost been said enough in this sting).

#2.) Check with your friends in neighboring states and see what the title policies are on those states. You might have a short cut going for you. Give them the bike, have them title it and then sell it to you (like for a buck or a beer or something). Just be careful they don't "steal" it on you, though.   ;)  ;D

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2005, 09:24:32 PM »
That rear rim looks like a 16" which means that it is either an aftermarket rim with cheap chrome, or a harley davidson rim from the 1970's  (which also means cheap chrome). Take the steel wool to it and see if it is weak or has pinholes in it. If it looks solid you may be able to reuse it by painting it (I like black and red for rims looks real 50's), therefore saving you time, money, and effort. Of course you could always pop down to clancy's and grab a rear rim from him, I'm almost positive he'll have one he took off a bike that is good enough to use with a little clean up. He has tons of SOHC parts.

I was noticing in the picture that they laced up the rear wheel wrong also... check out the grooves where the spokes SHOULD go... They are facing the opposite direction.. either they Jury rigged it to work with a different rim or they installed the rim in the wrong direction to the hub and it should have been turned around 180*


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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2005, 11:08:38 AM »
it may have been done before ready made 16" honda wheel kits were commonly available (seems a little odd since they were available by 1970 and your bike is a 1973) or just done using the harley spoke kit. Not the best way, not sure how safe it is, but someone rode the bike like that and presumably didn't die. It is cheaper to buy an already laced stock rim than to have one relaced.  That yellow stuff on the brake drum is the clearcoat coming off if you do decide to relace I would either polish the rear drum or paint it.
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