Topic: medical care

[edbikerii]

OMG, what is wrong with you people?  So now you think I want to do away with mom-and-pop farmers?  Where in my postings have you heard me say anything even remotely sounding like that?  Do you people hear voices in your heads or something?

I definitely do not think that highly paid corporate executives in NYC who own 20 acres of primo real estate in northern NJ and pay people to plant $500 worth (retail) of pumpkins a year on 1/100th of their property (behind the swimming pools and tennis courts) should be getting farm subsidies from the American taxpayer.  At least not while I can't get 'em simply because I can't afford 20 acres.

You know its one thing to have all your farm production gathered together in a few corporate farms but what happens when they have a problem, whose your local supplier? If they have all gotten out of farming what do you do Ed, personally ?
Bill the demon.

[edbikerii]

And don't forget that I grew up in the Bronx.  Bobby, as you well know, living where you do, all of those places are within 10 miles of Manhattan.

You know its one thing to have all your farm production gathered together in a few corporate farms but what happens when they have a problem, whose your local supplier? If they have all gotten out of farming what do you do Ed, personally ?
Bill the demon.

I no longer take Ed seriously. He is putting us all on. Let's see at one point not long ago he lived in NY and had his own business. Now he is somewhere in NJ working for someone else with great benefits. A gas tanker burned and destroyed a bridge near his home, that would put him somewhere near the Yonkers Bronx border. Then he has a community Hospital in Teaneck NJ, which is across the Hudson River from upper Manhattan and very densely populated. Ed is probably a deep cover CIA agent posing as a Motorcyclist. Or, he is in witness protection. He gets around more than Santa.

[Demon67]

Ed I didn't really finish the thought properly, but if you are such a free marketer and power should be concentrated in the most efficient organizations and all the rest should be allowed to wither away, what do you do when the ones at the top have a problem to go back to the farm thing what do you ?
bill the demon.

[Demon67]

Ichi, interesting.
Bill the demon.

[edbikerii]

Why are you addressing me?  What does your question have to do with anything I've said?

Ed I didn't really finish the thought properly, but if you are such a free marketer and power should be concentrated in the most efficient organizations and all the rest should be allowed to wither away, what do you do when the ones at the top have a problem to go back to the farm thing what do you ?
bill the demon.

[Demon67]

I am curious about your coping skills.

[mystic_1]

Why are you addressing me?

Maybe it's because you're posting in a thread he started.  But what do I know?




mystic_1

[mark]

what was wrong w the plan hillary clinton proposed a few years back? .....

Hillary proposed it. We just weren't ready for HRC as unelected co-president. Perhaps if it was presented as Bill's idea with the Mrs. as #1 cheerleader it might have got somewhere.


Anyway....

So... The Guv'mint can't run a healthcare system... The Constitution sez so...

At last count, the big bad Guv'mint is running at least three (go ahead - count 'em) taxpayer-funded health care systems...

Medicaid - gives poor folks as little treatment as possible in the most expensive place possible - the Emergency Room. I'm just guessing here, but could some of those 'emergencies' be treated more efficiently in an office, with an appointment, before becoming 'emergencies'? ...saving a few $$$ so the system could cover more 'poor folks'?

Medicare - gotta take care of the old folks... 'cause they're old... and they're folks.... and they're 'entitled' to it.
One of the kinfolks got a 'free' pacemaker a few years back. Lived a few years longer than otherwise. 102 or 106? The price tag from that operation would have set a whole busload of broken arms. Doesn't cover everything - hence the 'supplement plans' offered by the insurance folks.(possible model there - as a sop to the ins. racket industry)

The Veteran's Administration - The Armed Forces agree at enlistment to repair combat damaged warriors, and maintain the rest in fighting trim - and has M.A.S.H. units and base hospitals for the purpose. And then the V.A. takes care(as best it can) with another set of hospitals and 'contract services' after retirement. That should almost count as two systems right there, eh?
I can see how the G.I. docs might have a better handle on shell-shock cases than a civilian pshrink, but does an old man really need to make an all-day road trip to get his cataracts dealt with?
http://www.ktvz.com/Global/story.asp?s=7596814


Could it be possible that we already have enough government health care bureaucrats to run a system that covers everyone?






<Ed.... How's this sound?.... Trade your 'gold-plated $300 company plan' for a 'solid-platinum $125 company Fedicare supplement plan' that keeps your same doc and cuts the copay to $5 and has free valet parking to boot .. and okay say $125 more tax.
Same care from the same doc and a few bucks to donate to The Home for Wayward MILFs as a write off against some of the extra tax.
Could ya live with a deal like that or would it still bust your balls to see someone getting a free ride on your bill?
That might not be exactly how it works out but I know you wouldn't want to pocket the whole $300 and send your tab to Warren Buffett.>




The neighbors down the street wouldn't be putting jars on the counter at 7-11 collecting change to pay for the kid's brain tumor.

Our veterans could live wherever they please - without concern about travel to a distant V.A. hospital to receive treatment for ordinary human ills.



'The Guv'mint' now holds half of the country's home mortgages after bailing out FannyMac. 'The Guv'mint is in the insurance racket too, after bailing out AIG. So much for 'Fundamentalist Capitalism', eh? 'The Guv'mint' does lots of things that it can't/shouldn't do. Why not make doctorin' one of 'em?



edit: The McCain Plan from the Nightly News..... a $2500/single - $4K+/family tax credit to spend on private ins.... Apparently health care is yet another one of those things that the Gov't can pay for by cutting taxes.

[masonryman]

All the points being made are mute as long as our government is in the pocket of the insurance lobbyist.

Ed is making a lot of arguments about way he should not have to pay for other peoples insurance but the fact remains that all gainfully employed people are buying ins three times and it will stay that way.

1. possibly the most important to blue collar people, Workman's comp, when I work for myself it cost more than my health care ins and I could not use it on me.
2 Liability  just in case some one else get hurt and you were there first.
3. health care coverage.

All legal employers have at least the first two and most all three,we are all paying for all of the above even if you can not use it.


American politics at it's finest

[DammitDan]

'The Guv'mint' now holds half of the country's home mortgages after bailing out FannyMac. 'The Guv'mint is in the insurance racket too, after bailing out AIG. So much for 'Fundamentalist Capitalism', eh? 'The Guv'mint' does lots of things that it can't/shouldn't do. Why not make doctorin' one of 'em?

Anyone else hear about how pissed off the Republicans are about the AIG buyout?

Apparently the Bush administration authorized the Fed to bail out AIG without any GOP consultation.  Oops!  So in other words, the Bush administration authorized the spending of billions of $$$ without congressional approval.  I say we use the 72-hour contract cancellation rule and "take back" our money.

Who said checks and balances were necessary?  Especially in this day and age! 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/17/aig.bailout.congress/?iref=hpmostpop

[mark]

'The Guv'mint' now holds half of the country's home mortgages after bailing out FannyMac. 'The Guv'mint is in the insurance racket too, after bailing out AIG. So much for 'Fundamentalist Capitalism', eh? 'The Guv'mint' does lots of things that it can't/shouldn't do. Why not make doctorin' one of 'em?

Anyone else hear about how pissed off the Republicans are about the AIG buyout?

Apparently the Bush administration authorized the Fed to bail out AIG without any GOP consultation.  Oops!  So in other words, the Bush administration authorized the spending of billions of $$$ without congressional approval.  I say we use the 72-hour contract cancellation rule and "take back" our money.

Who said checks and balances were necessary?  Especially in this day and age! 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/17/aig.bailout.congress/?iref=hpmostpop

It aint just the (R) folks that got their feathers in a fluff.... Comrade Nancy was whinin' about it too.





... oops....

Forgot about another bit of Gov't medical waste.......

We spend billions of $$$$$ on AIDS drugs to send overseas - because sending millions of $$$ worth of rubbers so the dang foreigners don't catch AIDS in the first place would be naughty and promote fornication and might offend some theocrats.

A reminder that 'Freedom of Religion' does not mean 'freedom from religion'.



rip.. rip.. rip....... munch.... munch.... munch......... ptoooey.

the sound of your shredded Constitution being returned to you in the form of little spitballs.

[Uncle Ernie]

Mansonryman, it's a peeve of mine;  the word is MOOT.  Mute means unable to speak.

This bailout thing is funny.  The GOP is all about free enterprise and unbridled commerce.  This is where it got them.  So now that votes are on the line, McCain is all about regulation.  They hate big government and welfare...  Well, they used to.

Gotta agree about the condoms thing, too.  I guess the Vatican would rather see starvation and the spread of AIDS.  Go figure.

[mark]

All the points being made are mute as long as our government is in the pocket of the insurance lobbyist......

Hey. Those lobbyists have First Amendment rights too. And being mute and all..... well.... money talks, don't it?

Ed is making a lot of arguments about way he should not have to pay for other peoples insurance........

Can't say as I really blame him.

There's plenty of stuff on my tax bill that I aint in love with either..... and no line-item-veto.

That line for the county hospital..... paying for someone else's care there. sure as hell not mine. Just because I'm paying for the place doesn't mean that I can walk in and be treated like I'm paying for the place.

Line after line for schools... it's never enough... and it's all about other peoples kids. They put their brats on the bus after spongebob sponges all the kids brains out and then whine about how the school isn't teaching the little buggers to read.
The same bunch will spend fortunes restoring 19th century farm houses - then say that their kids can't learn in a 35 year old school building....

Dubya's foreign adventures... so.. how much will it cost me to construct a bidet capable of cleansing THE RECTUM OF THE PLANET!!! more than a checkup or two, I'm guessing.

Any fool can go half way up a mountain, then decide that he wasn't cut out for mountain climbing, whip out the cellphone, and call 911. The sheriff sends out the Rescue Rangers and sends me the bill. Leave the twits out there. Bears and coyotes gotta eat too.

Eisenhower worried about 'The Military Industrial Complex'.. How about 'The Prison Industrial Complex'? I'm paying serious bucks to provide food, shelter, clothing, armed protection, AND COMPLETE MEDICAL CARE to thugs and scum that I would rather see hanged.

By golly... I'm even paying guys to paint funny white diamonds down the left lane of the freeway that I'm paying for - to remind me not to drive in that lane.

and so on....

[masonryman]

mark,

That is my point, for what is paid in workmans comp alone we could all be fully insured, but instead we pay for it three times, and the service still sucks.

Sorry to offend you with my lack of grammer skills uncle Ernie, I'll go lay sum bricks now

[Uncle Ernie]

Tough job to be thinking about a putz like me.  All that time to think-
you'll either forget about it, or want to kill the first thing that moves at the end of the day.
I've done some masonry- it beats the daylights out of you.  But if you have the skills, you can sure take pride in your work. 

[masonryman]

Tough job to be thinking about a putz like me.  All that time to think-
you'll either forget about it, or want to kill the first thing that moves at the end of the day.
I've done some masonry- it beats the daylights out of you.  But if you have the skills, you can sure take pride in your work. 

I wasn't really giving it much thought, you spoke of a pet peeve of yours, using the wrong word. Well I could not pass the chance to poke at my self, I hate it when some one says bricks. One brick is brick, more than one brick is still just brick.

Having been a mason for a  long time I have gotten a lot of calls to "come and fix sum bricks for me"

Mark

[Uncle Ernie]

So, when the bartender tells you to "hit the bricks", you're not scowling at him because you wanted another drink...
Well, I've learned something today.  Thanks