Author Topic: Need advice from the "law" people on the forum... (Read 3115 times)

ColinMc · « **on:** July 14, 2009, 11:38:21 AM »

Ok so at one of my jobs recently on a college campus a drunk kid in a pickup truck nearly wiped out two people I was working with as well as another bystander. He swore at me threatened me, then did a donut and ripped out of there...of course I only got a partial plate and the security cameras got no plate...good use they are. I'm not sure what I can do here...campus safety doesn't seem to want to do anything about it. I'm very very upset about this, he could have killed or at least seriously injured at least 3 people with this stunt.

I guess i'm just looking for advice on what to do here? I'm not looking to go medieval on his ass or anything but what should or can i do?!

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2009, 11:49:57 AM »

Give the partial plate # and description of the truck to the city police. If campus safety won't do anything about it, the local yokels might. Then again, campus security usually has jurisdiction within their property limits so ya may not get anything accomplished. This dummy broke some laws and something should happen to him.

ColinMc · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2009, 11:54:09 AM »

That's what's so aggravating...campus safety took my report and took witnesses accounts of it...then that was it. They did pull the video for it but again...they pretty much said with a partial plate we got nothing. But I know the color, make, model, and rough year of the truck so I don't see why it couldn't be easily figured out.

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2009, 12:01:49 PM »

Go in the office to see them. If they say they can't do anything, ask to see the supervisor and let him know how you feel.
File a complaint with the office if you feel they are not helping you.

Realize that what happened in their minds is low on the cop priority scale due to; no property damage, no one being injured or killed. That automatically gets a low ranking in their minds and they probably don't want to do the footwork to get a plate number to prosecute at best some misdemeanors.

ColinMc · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2009, 12:03:27 PM »

Yeah and I understand that...but this guy was 18 at most as was his passenger...and it was during a Motorcycle Basic Rider Course...

So it seems like a quick visit at home from the police to scare the crap out of him would be worth more than trying to actually prosecute or any of that crap.

But yeah...I'll try filing with the local police but I guess I can't expect much.

BobbyR · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2009, 06:54:48 PM »

In NY this is menacing, assault with a vehicle, if he hit you it would be assault with a deadly weapon. Call the local cops or Troopers. Now understand this, these are probably townie Sh1tkickers, so if you register the beef, they may come back at you. If you are ready for that, go for it. I spent some time upstate.

Bonafide · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:00:00 PM »

forget it and carry on with your plan of the day.

if the kid is that much of a moron, then it'll catch up with him in the very near future.

Joel · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:04:49 PM »

Quote from: Bonafide on July 14, 2009, 08:00:00 PM

forget it and carry on with your plan of the day.

if the kid is that much of a moron, then it'll catch up with him in the very near future.

The problem is that when it does catch up with him, someone innocent may get hurt in the process.

Hush · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:25:16 PM »

Give the partial plate number and description to the local law enforcment, you will then have done your civic duty and even though you may never hear any more about it you will probably feel better for doing it.
I'm going up in August as a witness against a gang member who nearly killed 6 people in a car wreck, he then got out and bashed one of the totally innocent other drivers before retreating to his wrecked car.
One of his drop kick gang member mates then felt so agrieved that he came along and booted the already unconscious driver in the head a heap of times.
That driver nearly died and his poor mother was called to the hospital and told to bring a priest with her, that's how close he was to death.
It might be uncomfortable doing your civic duty but as they say "It only takes good men to do nothing for evil to suceed".

Bonafide · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2009, 09:20:15 PM »

Quote from: Joel C on July 14, 2009, 08:04:49 PM

Quote from: Bonafide on July 14, 2009, 08:00:00 PM
forget it and carry on with your plan of the day.

if the kid is that much of a moron, then it'll catch up with him in the very near future.

The problem is that when it does catch up with him, someone innocent may get hurt in the process.

... and you know this how? magic 8-ball or psychic friends network?

The incident was reported to the proper jurisdiction - civic duty done. I'm sure the campus police will charge forward with relentless follow up in an effort to solve this heinous crime. Yet you're not satisfied with their actions so you're going to another jurisdiction? That makes absolutely no sense. You're going to call them about a drunk kid from a couple days ago? Awesome!

BTW, finding a drunk young person on or near college campus? You realize this is not going to shock the conscience of the local public, right?

Gordon · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2009, 09:21:13 PM »

Quote from: Bonafide on July 14, 2009, 08:00:00 PM

forget it and carry on with your plan of the day.

if the kid is that much of a moron, then it'll catch up with him in the very near future.

Don't think you'd say the same thing if you knew that the next person he either hurts or kills is going to be you or somebody you love.

ColinMc · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2009, 06:21:42 AM »

Keep in mind this was on a COMMUNITY COLLEGE campus...not a typical college campus. So no drunk people driving around isn't common on campus.

I got back in touch with campus safety and they had already informed the local police of the partial plate and the incident as well as giving them the video from the incident. So they did more than I expected. The guy still told me in all honesty nothing will probably ever happen. I jokingly asked him if they had an address of the trucks owner and he said "anything is possible even if with a partial plate" Not sure how to take that lol.

The good news is Campus Safety is now patrolling more often throughout campus and this spurred them to hire another person on staff so they can cover more ground at a time. So some good did come of it...oh and if I see that truck again somewhere i'll recognize it in a heartbeat, it was very "unique"...can't say i'll be as diplomatic if that happens heh.

Bonafide · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2009, 06:36:48 AM »

Quote from: Gordon on July 14, 2009, 09:21:13 PM

Quote from: Bonafide on July 14, 2009, 08:00:00 PM
forget it and carry on with your plan of the day.

if the kid is that much of a moron, then it'll catch up with him in the very near future.

Don't think you'd say the same thing if you knew that the next person he either hurts or kills is going to be you or somebody you love.

Yeah ... I would.

Bonafide · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2009, 06:51:05 AM »

Quote from: retro rocket on July 14, 2009, 09:43:31 PM

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but those idiots need a good kick up the arse from the cops before they do kill someone,

Mick

That sir ... is THE ignorant opinion here. Mine was based on 22 yrs in Law Enforcement. Now, aint it amazin how the authority who ColinMc initially reported the incident actually did what they were suppose to and it didnt involve violating any Constitutional Rights or whiff of vigilantism?

The fact of the matter, it was a misdemeanor crime ... and no one was actually hurt. Without a full plate or other relevant information, the investigation will stop with a report being filed. And, even if they were to find the offender - he's more than likely not drunk (at present) and now we're talking about a previous misdemeanor committed outside the presence of law enforcement, ie: he dont get arrested, or a lecture, or a beat down (rolleyes). But you knew this already cause of your many years of experience working in law enforcement here in the US, right?

ColinMc · « **Reply #14 on:** July 15, 2009, 07:44:15 AM »

I didn't mean to start a fight here guys lol. I just wanted to make sure I was doing everything I possibly could about this (LEGALLY!)

I hope this guy doesn't hurt anyone else, and hopefully he learns his lesson before he hurts someone else or even himself...but from what I do know about people I have a feeling that isn't the case and he's gonna think he's invincible until something bad happens...and even then he'll probably blame someone else.

I was mostly upset because this makes me realize how easy it is for someone to do stuff like this and get away with it. Depressing I guess...

bucky katt · « **Reply #15 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:57:25 AM »

a kid popped over onto my side of the road and i had to run onto someones front lawn on the k4. i turned around origianlly just intending to get his tag number and report it, they started throwing beer cans out the back window of their toyota 4x4 at me. i got pissed. i chased em down till they stalled the thing. i got the drivers door open and snatched the kids keys out of the ignition and dropped em down a sewer, told em the cops would be by shortly to help them find em. did i handle this right? hell no i didnt.

gregimotis · « **Reply #16 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:14:49 AM »

Quote from: bucky katt on July 15, 2009, 09:57:25 AM

a kid popped over onto my side of the road and i had to run onto someones front lawn on the k4. i turned around origianlly just intending to get his tag number and report it, they started throwing beer cans out the back window of their toyota 4x4 at me. i got pissed. i chased em down till they stalled the thing. i got the drivers door open and snatched the kids keys out of the ignition and dropped em down a sewer, told em the cops would be by shortly to help them find em. did i handle this right? hell no i didnt.

Was it damned satisfying? Hell yes it was.

Bonafide · « **Reply #17 on:** July 15, 2009, 04:42:47 PM »

Quote from: retro rocket on July 15, 2009, 04:18:27 PM

Bonafide you need to get reading glasses,
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it was a misdemeanor crime

The kid was DRUNK, that is no misdemeanor and if he had run someone over it would constitute murder. I am absolutely amazed you would say you spent so much time in law enforcement and then come out with ridiculous statements like that.
Mick

You obviously have zero experience or knowledge of the topic being discussed and you obviously have zero knowledge concerning the laws/US Constitution in the US. pssst: Using the theory of "IF" has no part in charging someone with a crime there smart guy.

Roach Carver · « **Reply #18 on:** July 15, 2009, 08:02:10 PM »

spending 22 years in law enforcement is not neccessarily an indication of intelligence. It could however be an indication of low self esteem.

Gordon · « **Reply #19 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:35:51 PM »

Quote from: retro rocket on July 15, 2009, 05:52:16 PM

The reason i went on with this is because of the "holier than thou" attitude you displayed and the way you chose to ridicule Joel C with your witless reply.

It's the whole "internet tough guy" thing. And everyone on the internet is an expert on something or has years or decades of experience on the issue at hand, too.

Bonafide · « **Reply #20 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:57:03 PM »

Quote from: 71cb750 on July 15, 2009, 08:02:10 PM

spending 22 years in law enforcement is not neccessarily an indication of intelligence. It could however be an indication of low self esteem.

You got it buddy .. you totally figured me out.

Bonafide · « **Reply #21 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:18:41 PM »

Quote from: retro rocket on July 15, 2009, 05:52:16 PM

These kids need talking to by someone of authority to "scare" them into realizing what they did was dangerous and stupid.

Yeah ... and that is not what Law Enforcements Officers are for here in the US. Your reasoning and suggestions are still on an extreme level of ignorance about our laws and citizens (constitutional) rights.

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If your constitution allows this type of behavior then its not worth the paper its written on, this was clearly dangerous behavior putting the public at risk.

And you sir, can suck it. If you dont have a clue about our Constitution (which you obviously dont), then why are you continuing to argue about it? I mean seriously ... it's like a blind man argue about what he cant see.

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It doesn't eh, so why charge anyone with drunk driving then until they have had an accident or killed someone

Because drunk driving is against the law in the all 50 States. It doesnt require they crash their car or kill someone for the per se of driving while under the influence of alcohol or drug. Killing someone during an motor vehicle accident, WHILE IMPAIRED, is a completely different charge. DUI is a misdemeanor, Vehicular Homicide is a felony. You cant charge a drunk driver with VH "IF" there's no dead body ... got it now?

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I still say talk to the police and give these kids a warning...

Mick

and I still say you're ignorant about the laws that govern this country.

bucky katt · « **Reply #22 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:20:06 PM »

okay guys, we going to see who can pee the farthest next?

DammitDan · « **Reply #23 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »

With 22 years in law enforcement, I'm really not surprised at your attitude, Bonefide.

seaweb11 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:44:27 PM »

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/343911/longest_pee_never_see/

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Author Topic: Need advice from the "law" people on the forum... (Read 3115 times)