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Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« on: September 25, 2009, 06:25:40 AM »
I checked this out again last night. There are some pretty silly religious folks out there. I have no problem with religion, but I have a problem with broadcasting stupidity. This guy talks about how atheists are wrong because of the shape of bananas. Wild bananas looked nothing like the bananas you find in the store, they're small, hard, and full of seeds. (wild oranges were closer to lemons and were so bitter they were nearly inedible.)

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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2009, 07:24:23 AM »


        You know, I'm not going to get into a big debate about religion here. We have the freedom of choice and a person should be respected FOR THAT CHOICE. As far as the banana thing goes, each person will probably have a different opinion about that, but (personally) I think he is just trying to show a very small example of how even simple things that we don't notice, seem to be laid out. I think he should have picked something else to demonstrate that, but that's only MY opinion. Remember, this was just an opinion, like YOURS was. :)

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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 07:27:20 AM »
Haven't watched the videos but just wanted to say that EVERYTHING in the entire universe is carefully ordered and extremely intricate.  How it came to be that way is the source of the debate. ;)

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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 07:48:20 AM »
what really bothers me is that he is serious
in all the world the banana is gods link to prove himself?
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 07:52:07 AM »
yeah, there are a lot of nasty things out there... there are also a lot of great NATURALLY OCCURRING things. Pick one of those. Watch the second video, I think it's important.
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 09:14:18 AM »
Already made up my mind.
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 09:20:00 AM »
Why am I having nightmares of bananas and Kirk Cameron now?!?!
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 09:26:54 AM »
Why am I having nightmares of bananas and Kirk Cameron now?!?!


haha have you seen his latest video on charles darwin? hilarious because he is dead serious.

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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2009, 10:02:56 AM »




                       Sometimes WE can't seem to see the FOREST for the TREES! :-\
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2009, 10:35:56 AM »
Watch it with the sound turned off and you would think he was demonstrating sexual intercourse and oral sex. ;D

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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2009, 10:55:20 AM »
Sorry but Kirk wants ray to stick the banana where the sun doesn't shine.
I think I believe in god but the religious nuts have come out of the woodwork the last few years and instead of helping their cause, they are making it worse. on top of that, there are how many religions in the world and each thinks they are the right one. And why can't people just pick one and leave it at that? Why do they have to push things so hard on people that believe differently. Live and let live.

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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2009, 11:22:49 AM »
Yeah, you have to wonder about the "religious" people out there that want to push THEIR beliefs on YOU.

I mean, if your religion was so great it should sell itself, right?

You shouldn't have to convince me of anything, it should be obvious.
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2009, 11:23:13 AM »
On second thought, maybe it does disprove evolution.  If "natural selection" were true someone this stupid should have died years ago. ;D
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2009, 12:59:26 PM »
On second thought, maybe it does disprove evolution.  If "natural selection" were true someone this stupid should have died years ago. ;D

No, someone like this survives because we've eliminated all selective forces. I'm not religious, and I don't feel the need to convince anyone that my way is the best way. There are other non religious people who do not feel that way. I wish other things could remain at the forefront of our attention... there are a lot of good things to get worked up and argue about. And, here I am talking about it, but I'm trying to call attention to how ridiculous all of this is. You cannot formulate an argument on circumstantial happenstance (and human cultivation of plants.)
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2009, 01:09:36 PM »
You know where else that banana would fit perfectly?  ;D
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2009, 01:34:50 PM »
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2009, 09:01:37 PM »
On second thought, maybe it does disprove evolution.  If "natural selection" were true someone this stupid should have died years ago. ;D

No, someone like this survives because we've eliminated all selective forces. I'm not religious, and I don't feel the need to convince anyone that my way is the best way. There are other non religious people who do not feel that way. I wish other things could remain at the forefront of our attention... there are a lot of good things to get worked up and argue about. And, here I am talking about it, but I'm trying to call attention to how ridiculous all of this is. You cannot formulate an argument on circumstantial happenstance (and human cultivation of plants.)

Maybe most but not all selective forces have been eliminated at least in Minnesota.  Snowmobiles, alcohol, and thin ice do wonders for thinning out the gene pool here. ;D

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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2009, 11:55:09 PM »
According to the video, the banana is "perfectly made" for the human hand.

The human hand is formed in the same basic shape as an ape.

Many ape species eat bananas as a main staple food.

This guy has just proven that there is a common evolutionary link between man and ape through a food source "perfectly made" for our respective hand structures.

Sounds like a left wing conspiracy to me.  Next think you know you'll be hearing, "I now pronounce you man and banana."
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2009, 05:17:20 AM »
On second thought, maybe it does disprove evolution.  If "natural selection" were true someone this stupid should have died years ago. ;D

No, someone like this survives because we've eliminated all selective forces. I'm not religious, and I don't feel the need to convince anyone that my way is the best way. There are other non religious people who do not feel that way. I wish other things could remain at the forefront of our attention... there are a lot of good things to get worked up and argue about. And, here I am talking about it, but I'm trying to call attention to how ridiculous all of this is. You cannot formulate an argument on circumstantial happenstance (and human cultivation of plants.)



oh yes, you are relegious. I'm assuming you accept the big bang theory however, if wrong then.....

lets see, the big bang theory goes something like, two mysterious items collided and BANG.
Personally I think it takes a bit more blind faith to accept that through "Natural Selection" which is what
Darwin taught, we have evolved to our sorry state of today. Most of the time it would seem to
me like reverse evolution, oh wait that would be biblical ("all things wax old"), I think the scientist call it entropy.
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2009, 05:19:54 AM »
         You know, IF (and that's a BIG if) Evolution were true, monkey's would have disappeared long ago and no telling WHAT folks would look like by now, don't ya think? As far as whether there is a "Creator" or not, has no one ever wondered about the things of everyday life? Where did all of this come from? I guess it just happened. The solar system just happens to function in a way that the planets don't collide with each other, the seasons just happen in a way to in a way to kill off the ticks and chiggers so that the earth isn't just overrun with them, look at the way the plants and trees come back to life each Spring, the way that reproduction goes, the way that we take in food and drink and dispose of the waste that our bodies don't use.

         Some will say that there aren't any such things as miracles, like in the "Biblical days". I can tell you that I have No Doubt that there are indeed "Miracles" now days. Best example I know of, is my Daughter Karla. She was PERFECT when she was born. Eleven months AFTER she was born, she started having seizures. We went through all kinds of medications to try to control them and each one would do a pretty good job, even though not completely. Time went on and at the age of 15yrs old, the Children's Hospital decided that she should be tested to see if she was a candidate for brain surgery to remove the left tempral lobe. IF she WOULD have been a candidate, they would have shaved her head, put her to sleep, cut the skull so that they could lift off the top of her skull, awakened her enough so that they could have her watch a monitor and respond as they would "short out each section of her brain to make sure of what functions were coming from each part and what would be affected with the left tempral lobe gone. As it turned out, she WAS NOT a candidate at that time. Then, at the age of 18yrs old, she went TOXIC on her medication (Tegratol) and once again there was talk of that surgery. Only, by that time, the procedure with cutting the skull had been replaced by simply
doing something like an arteriorgram (spelling?) and they simply went into the main artery in the groin area, went up into each side of the brain and tested each side. This meant that WHEN the surgery was done, all they did was to shave the left side of her head, make an incision like the letter "C" (about 3" wide) make a hole in the skull just large enough to take out the left tempral lobe, do a brief exploratory, close and they were done. Now, in MY way of thinking, having the brain surgery was a MIRACLE, having it done in a more simple way was a MIRACLE, they said that on the 2nd day after the surgery she would have problems with math and her speech which would clear up on the next day or two (never had those happen, another
MIRACLE) She had the surgery on a Monday morning and was discharged by Thursday at Noon (seems like a MIRACLE to me). All this knowledge that Doctors come up with, all these medical procedures, the way things have developed over the years (example, going from riding horse and in wagons, to cars and MOTORCYCLES). Just WHERE did all the knowledge come from? DID it just come out of the air? I don't think so! WE are GIVEN THE FREEDOM TO CHOSE WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE BELIEVE and we have to TRUST that we make the RIGHT CHOICE. I KNOW I have. ;) Have YOU? ???

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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2009, 05:59:41 AM »
Bill, we think different ways, and I have no problem with you believing in god.

Evolution does not say that once another species has evolved into being that the former species will necessarily die out. The species best suited to successfully live and reproduce in it's environment will be the most successful and pervasive. Alligators and sharks (two really cool species by the way) are extremely old as far as species are concerned, but they're still around, they're really good at surviving and reproducing.

Now that humans have evolved and come out of the wilderness they are no longer evolving. Evolution requires selective forces, as humans we've eliminated as many as possible, disease, infant death, death during child birth, predators, etc. The vast majority of us make it to sexual maturation without much of a fuss. (the fuss probably begins at that time of life...) So, no people are dying from causes that used to be common selection forces. We are born, grow up, have kids, the kids grow up, have kids... the environment does not have predators that eat our unfit offspring, the diseases that used to kill us before we're able to have our own children have mostly been eliminated.

What I'm pointing out in the video, which I'm hoping you watched (both) is that he's using an extremely invalid argument. The guy's argument revolves around a fruit he claims is god's wonderful gift to people because it's a naturally occurring wonderfood. Well, it's a wonderfood, but what originally existed 8,000 years ago was nothing like it. If god put it there, that wasn't the way he left it. Then, man steps in and breeds the banana the way he wants it for thousands of years. The fact that it ripens is god's gift to us. Well, many fruit ripen and it could be to serve their own purpose. Trees do not want you taking their fruit before the seeds have developed, or all of the work they put into making the fruit will not produce new trees.
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2009, 06:09:13 AM »
OK, have watched the videos and read the subsequent posts, and I still stand by my statement :)


Everything in the entire universe is carefully ordered and extremely intricate.  How it came to be that way is the source of the debate. ;)

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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2009, 07:15:37 AM »
Look...I believe that there is a Supreme power in the universe, but this is beside the point.  Since God's relationship with man (or any other sentient beings) relies wholly on faith and is designed that way, then anything that actually goes and proves his existence will cause Him not to exist anymore.  If you don't believe me, read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.  Funny books.
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2009, 07:53:04 AM »
Look...I believe that there is a Supreme power in the universe, but this is beside the point.  Since God's relationship with man (or any other sentient beings) relies wholly on faith and is designed that way, then anything that actually goes and proves his existence will cause Him not to exist anymore.  If you don't believe me, read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.  Funny books.

yep, whole book sort of deals with the question eh? It's all a matter of faith.
One point on religions. Whether the religion be evolution or creation, their all faith based,
and each adherent has ample proof on which to base his/her faith at least in their own minds or hearts.
For me that is faith in God since it's hard for me to image all that I see in the world naturally occurring
as being the result of some random happenstance of events.

Ps as to the videos, I always think that to try and prove God's existence, to anyone else, is a waste of time.
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Re: Ever heard of the 'Atheist's Nightmare?"
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2009, 07:58:33 AM »
I certainly believe that there was a force that set us all in motion.  "God", if you will.  That being said, books of myth and lore do not define my belief system. 
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