Topic: health care bill

[BobbyR]

Here is how your Reps voted by State:

ALABAMA




Democrats -- Bright, N; Davis, N.

Republicans -- Aderholt, N; Bachus, N; Bonner, N; Griffith, N; Rogers, N.

ALASKA

Republicans -- Young, N.

ARIZONA

Democrats -- Giffords, Y; Grijalva, Y; Kirkpatrick, Y; Mitchell, Y; Pastor, Y.

Republicans -- Flake, N; Franks, N; Shadegg, N.

ARKANSAS

Democrats -- Berry, N; Ross, N; Snyder, Y.

Republicans -- Boozman, N.

CALIFORNIA

Democrats -- Baca, Y; Becerra, Y; Berman, Y; Capps, Y; Cardoza, Y; Chu, Y; Costa, Y; Davis, Y; Eshoo, Y; Farr, Y; Filner, Y; Garamendi, Y; Harman, Y; Honda, Y; Lee, Y; Lofgren, Zoe, Y; Matsui, Y; McNerney, Y; Miller, George, Y; Napolitano, Y; Pelosi, Y; Richardson, Y; Roybal-Allard, Y; Sanchez, Linda T., Y; Sanchez, Loretta, Y; Schiff, Y; Sherman, Y; Speier, Y; Stark, Y; Thompson, Y; Waters, Y; Watson, Y; Waxman, Y; Woolsey, Y.

Republicans -- Bilbray, N; Bono Mack, N; Calvert, N; Campbell, N; Dreier, N; Gallegly, N; Herger, N; Hunter, N; Issa, N; Lewis, N; Lungren, Daniel E., N; McCarthy, N; McClintock, N; McKeon, N; Miller, Gary, N; Nunes, N; Radanovich, N; Rohrabacher, N; Royce, N.

COLORADO

Democrats -- DeGette, Y; Markey, Y; Perlmutter, Y; Polis, Y; Salazar, Y.

Republicans -- Coffman, N; Lamborn, N.

CONNECTICUT

Democrats -- Courtney, Y; DeLauro, Y; Himes, Y; Larson, Y; Murphy, Y.

DELAWARE

Republicans -- Castle, N.

FLORIDA

Democrats -- Boyd, Y; Brown, Corrine, Y; Castor, Y; Grayson, Y; Hastings, Y; Klein, Y; Kosmas, Y; Meek, Y; Wasserman Schultz, Y.

Republicans -- Bilirakis, N; Brown-Waite, Ginny, N; Buchanan, N; Crenshaw, N; Diaz-Balart, L., N; Diaz-Balart, M., N; Mack, N; Mica, N; Miller, N; Posey, N; Putnam, N; Rooney, N; Ros-Lehtinen, N; Stearns, N; Young, N.

GEORGIA

Democrats -- Barrow, N; Bishop, Y; Johnson, Y; Lewis, Y; Marshall, N; Scott, Y.

Republicans -- Broun, N; Deal, N; Gingrey, N; Kingston, N; Linder, N; Price, N; Westmoreland, N.

HAWAII

Democrats -- Hirono, Y.

IDAHO

Democrats -- Minnick, N.

Republicans -- Simpson, N.

ILLINOIS

Democrats -- Bean, Y; Costello, Y; Davis, Y; Foster, Y; Gutierrez, Y; Halvorson, Y; Hare, Y; Jackson, Y; Lipinski, N; Quigley, Y; Rush, Y; Schakowsky, Y.

Republicans -- Biggert, N; Johnson, N; Kirk, N; Manzullo, N; Roskam, N; Schock, N; Shimkus, N.

INDIANA

Democrats -- Carson, Y; Donnelly, Y; Ellsworth, Y; Hill, Y; Visclosky, Y.

Republicans -- Burton, N; Buyer, N; Pence, N; Souder, N.

IOWA

Democrats -- Boswell, Y; Braley, Y; Loebsack, Y.

Republicans -- King, N; Latham, N.

KANSAS

Democrats -- Moore, Y.

Republicans -- Jenkins, N; Moran, N; Tiahrt, N.

KENTUCKY

Democrats -- Chandler, N; Yarmuth, Y.

Republicans -- Davis, N; Guthrie, N; Rogers, N; Whitfield, N.

LOUISIANA

Democrats -- Melancon, N.

Republicans -- Alexander, N; Boustany, N; Cao, N; Cassidy, N; Fleming, N; Scalise, N.

MAINE

Democrats -- Michaud, Y; Pingree, Y.

MARYLAND

Democrats -- Cummings, Y; Edwards, Y; Hoyer, Y; Kratovil, N; Ruppersberger, Y; Sarbanes, Y; Van Hollen, Y.

Republicans -- Bartlett, N.

MASSACHUSETTS

Democrats -- Capuano, Y; Delahunt, Y; Frank, Y; Lynch, N; Markey, Y; McGovern, Y; Neal, Y; Olver, Y; Tierney, Y; Tsongas, Y.

MICHIGAN

Democrats -- Conyers, Y; Dingell, Y; Kildee, Y; Kilpatrick, Y; Levin, Y; Peters, Y; Schauer, Y; Stupak, Y.

Republicans -- Camp, N; Ehlers, N; Hoekstra, N; McCotter, N; Miller, N; Rogers, N; Upton, N.

MINNESOTA

Democrats -- Ellison, Y; McCollum, Y; Oberstar, Y; Peterson, N; Walz, Y.

Republicans -- Bachmann, N; Kline, N; Paulsen, N.

MISSISSIPPI

Democrats -- Childers, N; Taylor, N; Thompson, Y.

Republicans -- Harper, N.

MISSOURI

Democrats -- Carnahan, Y; Clay, Y; Cleaver, Y; Skelton, N.

Republicans -- Akin, N; Blunt, N; Emerson, N; Graves, N; Luetkemeyer, N.

MONTANA

Republicans -- Rehberg, N.

NEBRASKA

Republicans -- Fortenberry, N; Smith, N; Terry, N.

NEVADA

Democrats -- Berkley, Y; Titus, Y.

Republicans -- Heller, N.

NEW HAMPSHIRE

Democrats -- Hodes, Y; Shea-Porter, Y.

NEW JERSEY

Democrats -- Adler, N; Andrews, Y; Holt, Y; Pallone, Y; Pascrell, Y; Payne, Y; Rothman, Y; Sires, Y.

Republicans -- Frelinghuysen, N; Garrett, N; Lance, N; LoBiondo, N; Smith, N.

NEW MEXICO

Democrats -- Heinrich, Y; Lujan, Y; Teague, N.

NEW YORK

Democrats -- Ackerman, Y; Arcuri, N; Bishop, Y; Clarke, Y; Crowley, Y; Engel, Y; Hall, Y; Higgins, Y; Hinchey, Y; Israel, Y; Lowey, Y; Maffei, Y; Maloney, Y; McCarthy, Y; McMahon, N; Meeks, Y; Murphy, Y; Nadler, Y; Owens, Y; Rangel, Y; Serrano, Y; Slaughter, Y; Tonko, Y; Towns, Y; Velazquez, Y; Weiner, Y.

Republicans -- King, N; Lee, N.

NORTH CAROLINA

Democrats -- Butterfield, Y; Etheridge, Y; Kissell, N; McIntyre, N; Miller, Y; Price, Y; Shuler, N; Watt, Y.

Republicans -- Coble, N; Foxx, N; Jones, N; McHenry, N; Myrick, N.

NORTH DAKOTA

Democrats -- Pomeroy, Y.

OHIO

Democrats -- Boccieri, Y; Driehaus, Y; Fudge, Y; Kaptur, Y; Kilroy, Y; Kucinich, Y; Ryan, Y; Space, N; Sutton, Y; Wilson, Y.

Republicans -- Austria, N; Boehner, N; Jordan, N; LaTourette, N; Latta, N; Schmidt, N; Tiberi, N; Turner, N.

OKLAHOMA

Democrats -- Boren, N.

Republicans -- Cole, N; Fallin, N; Lucas, N; Sullivan, N.

OREGON

Democrats -- Blumenauer, Y; DeFazio, Y; Schrader, Y; Wu, Y.

Republicans -- Walden, N.

PENNSYLVANIA

Democrats -- Altmire, N; Brady, Y; Carney, Y; Dahlkemper, Y; Doyle, Y; Fattah, Y; Holden, N; Kanjorski, Y; Murphy, Patrick, Y; Schwartz, Y; Sestak, Y.

Republicans -- Dent, N; Gerlach, N; Murphy, Tim, N; Pitts, N; Platts, N; Shuster, N; Thompson, N.

RHODE ISLAND

Democrats -- Kennedy, Y; Langevin, Y.

SOUTH CAROLINA

Democrats -- Clyburn, Y; Spratt, Y.

Republicans -- Barrett, N; Brown, N; Inglis, N; Wilson, N.

SOUTH DAKOTA

Democrats -- Herseth Sandlin, N.

TENNESSEE

Democrats -- Cohen, Y; Cooper, Y; Davis, N; Gordon, Y; Tanner, N.

Republicans -- Blackburn, N; Duncan, N; Roe, N; Wamp, N.

TEXAS

Democrats -- Cuellar, Y; Doggett, Y; Edwards, N; Gonzalez, Y; Green, Al, Y; Green, Gene, Y; Hinojosa, Y; Jackson Lee, Y; Johnson, E. B., Y; Ortiz, Y; Reyes, Y; Rodriguez, Y.

Republicans -- Barton, N; Brady, N; Burgess, N; Carter, N; Conaway, N; Culberson, N; Gohmert, N; Granger, N; Hall, N; Hensarling, N; Johnson, Sam, N; Marchant, N; McCaul, N; Neugebauer, N; Olson, N; Paul, N; Poe, N; Sessions, N; Smith, N; Thornberry, N.

UTAH

Democrats -- Matheson, N.

Republicans -- Bishop, N; Chaffetz, N.

VERMONT

Democrats -- Welch, Y.

VIRGINIA

Democrats -- Boucher, N; Connolly, Y; Moran, Y; Nye, N; Perriello, Y; Scott, Y.

Republicans -- Cantor, N; Forbes, N; Goodlatte, N; Wittman, N; Wolf, N.

WASHINGTON

Democrats -- Baird, Y; Dicks, Y; Inslee, Y; Larsen, Y; McDermott, Y; Smith, Y.

Republicans -- Hastings, N; McMorris Rodgers, N; Reichert, N.

WEST VIRGINIA

Democrats -- Mollohan, Y; Rahall, Y.

Republicans -- Capito, N.

WISCONSIN

Democrats -- Baldwin, Y; Kagen, Y; Kind, Y; Moore, Y; Obey, Y.

Republicans -- Petri, N; Ryan, N; Sensenbrenner, N.

WYOMING

Republicans -- Lummis, N.
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[edbikerii]

Let's hear it for the 34 democrat representatives who had the guts to vote against the health care bill.  They did what was right, despite massive pressure from their president, their own party, and near-certain political (and career) suicide.

[BeSeeingYou]

Last I checked our country was developed becuase we were trying to get away from the ideals of having a government run country.  Our country was built on the idea that we would not have only one religion, and we had freedoms.  Now the government gets to tell us if we get to live by pursuing treatment or die because they don't want to spend the money.  Good bye to all the grandmothers and grandfathers in the United States.  I knew this was going to be bad when the first presidential decision made by Nobama was to shut down Gitmo and invite the terrorists who are in custody for murdering thousands of Americans into our country on our soil.

Welcome to the forum Sarah Palin.  Let's try and stay with the facts and not silly talking points.

Big surprise, an Obama supporter made the first personal insult.  
What you call talking points, hundreds of millions of Americans call core beliefs.
The phrase, "talking points" is also a way to belittle the concepts.  That's what people do when they can't make a valid argument, they resort to distorting the topic and personal attacks.
Are the 10 Commandments also "talking points"?
 

We need less government control, not more, and when you have people like Pelosi saying they'll "do whatever necessary" to pass what they call healthcare reform, and Obama saying that process doesn't really matter, it's clear we need government reform far more than healthcare reform.  
This is a nation founded on laws and beliefs, and to stray from them is to doom the nation.

(p.s.- If this healthcare is in such crisis, why doesn't most of this 'emergency' legislation kick in for four years?)

-K

government gets to tell us if we get to live.....goodbye to all Grandmothers and Grandfathers in the U.S......inviting terrorist into our country..... these are core beliefs held by hundreds of millions.

Sounds like talking points to me.  Where's your sense of humor?  Insults, personal attacks, I guess this is one downside of talk radio.  Everyone's a victim.  It's a bit of a joke and I think patriotictex got that when he called me "Barack" on a later post.

You seem to imply this was passed in some unlawful manner.  The bill was passed like any other voted on by both houses and passed by a majority.  Reconciliation will be used to pass some changes in the bill that the House wanted to the Senate version.   Reconciliation has been used by both parties numerous times and also the "Deem and Pass" which was not used had been used by Republicans numerous times over the years of the Bush Administration.  As long as they stay within the legal framework both sides have used various methods of getting their bills through and the process is less important than the final outcome.

(p.s.- If this healthcare is in such crisis, why doesn't most of this 'emergency' legislation kick in for four years?)
 
 Come on, do you really need this explained.

[Jordan]

A little tidbit I have noticed in my 50 or so years as a taxpaying citizen. The republicans take our taxes and give it to the rich, The democrats take our taxes and give it to the poor. End result, it doesn't really matter, they all take our money. Despite all of the crapola coming out of our government, we still have the good fortune of living in the best dang country in the entire world, and we can change it if we want to. Of course this is only my opinion and I think we all have heard the saying "they are like a-------,everyone has one". LMAO youz, guys, sheesh!

[SD750F]

I find it interesting to read the comments and see how members can be divided on the Health Care Reform along party lines or emotional views either founded in truth or not...

I great example of human nature.

[Retro Rocket]

I find it interesting to read the comments and see how members can be divided on the Health Care Reform along party lines or emotional views either founded in truth or not...

I great example of human nature.

Yep, don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.....

Mick

[bucky katt]

i figured this thread would come to no good 

[MRieck]

Last I checked our country was developed becuase we were trying to get away from the ideals of having a government run country.  Our country was built on the idea that we would not have only one religion, and we had freedoms.  Now the government gets to tell us if we get to live by pursuing treatment or die because they don't want to spend the money.  Good bye to all the grandmothers and grandfathers in the United States.  I knew this was going to be bad when the first presidential decision made by Nobama was to shut down Gitmo and invite the terrorists who are in custody for murdering thousands of Americans into our country on our soil.

Welcome to the forum Sarah Palin.  Let's try and stay with the facts and not silly talking points.

Big surprise, an Obama supporter made the first personal insult.  
What you call talking points, hundreds of millions of Americans call core beliefs.
The phrase, "talking points" is also a way to belittle the concepts.  That's what people do when they can't make a valid argument, they resort to distorting the topic and personal attacks.
Are the 10 Commandments also "talking points"?
 

We need less government control, not more, and when you have people like Pelosi saying they'll "do whatever necessary" to pass what they call healthcare reform, and Obama saying that process doesn't really matter, it's clear we need government reform far more than healthcare reform.  
This is a nation founded on laws and beliefs, and to stray from them is to doom the nation.

(p.s.- If this healthcare is in such crisis, why doesn't most of this 'emergency' legislation kick in for four years?)

-K

government gets to tell us if we get to live.....goodbye to all Grandmothers and Grandfathers in the U.S......inviting terrorist into our country..... these are core beliefs held by hundreds of millions.

Sounds like talking points to me.  Where's your sense of humor?  Insults, personal attacks, I guess this is one downside of talk radio.  Everyone's a victim.  It's a bit of a joke and I think patriotictex got that when he called me "Barack" on a later post.

You seem to imply this was passed in some unlawful manner.  The bill was passed like any other voted on by both houses and passed by a majority.  Reconciliation will be used to pass some changes in the bill that the House wanted to the Senate version.   Reconciliation has been used by both parties numerous times and also the "Deem and Pass" which was not used had been used by Republicans numerous times over the years of the Bush Administration.  As long as they stay within the legal framework both sides have used various methods of getting their bills through and the process is less important than the final outcome.

(p.s.- If this healthcare is in such crisis, why doesn't most of this 'emergency' legislation kick in for four years?)
 
 Come on, do you really need this explained.

          I believe Reconciliation was referred to as the "Nuclear Option" in the mainstream media when used by Republicans.

[GammaFlat]

...we still have the good fortune of living in the best dang country in the entire world

I caught the wrath of the ignore button for saying what you said above a while back   I think it was one of our friends in Australia or NZ.  I guess it's offensive to say you live in the best country in the world.   

I believe Reconciliation was referred to as the "Nuclear Option" in the mainstream media when used by Republicans.

It is one of my largest gripes that all of the cable media (save one outlet) is horrifying slanted in their political views.  No wonder the "one outlet" has more prime time viewership by over 4 times the next closest competitor.  Oh the horror of the nuclear option... now silence. 

[Retro Rocket]

...we still have the good fortune of living in the best dang country in the entire world

I caught the wrath of the ignore button for saying what you said above a while back   I think it was one of our friends in Australia or NZ.  I guess it's offensive to say you live in the best country in the world.   

I believe Reconciliation was referred to as the "Nuclear Option" in the mainstream media when used by Republicans.

It is one of my largest gripes that all of the cable media (save one outlet) is horrifying slanted in their political views.  No wonder the "one outlet" has more prime time viewership by over 4 times the next closest competitor.  Oh the horror of the nuclear option... now silence. 

I applaud anyone that thinks that their country is the best in the world , i certainly think mine { Australia} is as well , national pride is what makes us strong. I couldn't see any reason why someone would ignore you for that !! Your knowledge base is eroded by simply choosing to ignore some one because of their views, i still haven't ignored anyone and never will, i learn lots from both sides of any story, argument or debate.

Mick

[Caaveman82]

Democrat, republican, old, young, what ever. The real problem at hand is that WE ALL, including you ed, think we know what is best for everyone else.

Guess what? Like it or not Obama made it into office. He's doing what he thinks is best, just like Bush, just like Clinton, just like Bush Sr., etc. etc.

He holds the office so right now he gets to decide what is best for you and I and I say again if you do not like it, then go do something about it.

Also all of you quoting the constitution, stop wiping your ass with it please. It is not a document created for you to win arguments over the internet. Are you a psychic? I didn't think so, guess what? Neither were our forefathers. That is why there are amendments. That is why there are new laws constantly being voted on. No one could have foreseen the crap our country has been through.


This whole republican and democrat thing is getting more immature than a group of college kids fist fighting over their favorite sports team.

[Cormac]

So, do we get to call each other "Comrade" yet? I'm really looking forward to giving even more of my money to other people, really. 'Course, I think I might be in the wage bracket to recieve money, for now at least. And try reading the constitution sometime, or read something that explains it to you... Like the 5000 Year Leap. Both the parties are in the wrong.

[Cormac]

Wow, way to belittle the people who vote these yahoos into office. Perhaps we should allow the supreme court to do our voting for us? 'Course we already let the education dept raise our kids (not like I have any, mind) and the media do our thinking. So, why not? We've allready seen what happens when we let the unwashed masses vote. Heinlein was right, only those who serve their nation should be allowed to determine the fate of the nation. I'm all for limiting the vote to the Veterans!

[Retro Rocket]

Wow, way to belittle the people who vote these yahoos into office. Perhaps we should allow the supreme court to do our voting for us? 'Course we already let the education dept raise our kids (not like I have any, mind) and the media do our thinking. So, why not? We've already seen what happens when we let the unwashed masses vote. Heinlein was right, only those who serve their nation should be allowed to determine the fate of the nation. I'm all for limiting the vote to the Veterans!

You serve your country when you work and pay taxes and i gather from your posts that you were one of the "yahoo's" that voted Bush in......and letting the Military or only vets vote..... and you called someone "comrade"...... there goes your credibility

Mick

[Caaveman82]

Wow, way to belittle the people who vote these yahoos into office. Perhaps we should allow the supreme court to do our voting for us? 'Course we already let the education dept raise our kids (not like I have any, mind) and the media do our thinking. So, why not? We've allready seen what happens when we let the unwashed masses vote. Heinlein was right, only those who serve their nation should be allowed to determine the fate of the nation. I'm all for limiting the vote to the Veterans!

Well then I guarentee Obama would have been in office any way. I am a veteran and got out in 06, when I was in even the republicans wanted Bush out.

[Cormac]

Being snarky about only vets, obviously. And you are correct, you do serve your country when you work and pay taxes. So, lets limit the vote to those who work and pay taxes! It would accomplish almost the same thing as vets only! And yes, I voted Bush in, and as much as I hated to do it, I voted for McCain as well. As bad as Bush was, he didn't s%^& our freedoms nearly as bad in 8 years as Obama is in just a year and a half. But the problem here isn't blue and red, Dem and Rep. The problem is more or less individual freedom. Some people just don't realize that with freedom comes 1) personal responsibility and 2) the very real prospect of failure. I have failed before, and I have pulled myself back up. I do not expect the state to take care of me. On top of that, I don't want the people that couldn't make a brothel profitable to run medicine. If you can't sell &*^^% and booze, you shouldn't be running (or making mandates of) any kind of business.

[Caaveman82]

Being snarky about only vets, obviously. And you are correct, you do serve your country when you work and pay taxes. So, lets limit the vote to those who work and pay taxes! It would accomplish almost the same thing as vets only! And yes, I voted Bush in, and as much as I hated to do it, I voted for McCain as well. As bad as Bush was, he didn't s%^& our freedoms nearly as bad in 8 years as Obama is in just a year and a half. But the problem here isn't blue and red, Dem and Rep. The problem is more or less individual freedom. Some people just don't realize that with freedom comes 1) personal responsibility and 2) the very real prospect of failure. I have failed before, and I have pulled myself back up. I do not expect the state to take care of me. On top of that, I don't want the people that couldn't make a brothel profitable to run medicine. If you can't sell &*^^% and booze, you shouldn't be running (or making mandates of) any kind of business.

I guess wire taping is a total non-invasion of personal freedom.

I am glad to hear you were able to pull yourself back up. Though you are one person out of many. Just because you can do it doesn't mean everyone can. If you could think beyond your own little world you would realize that bad things happen to good people. I am not saying that everyone is deserving but do you really want to screw over those who do deserve it?

[Cormac]

Me personally, no. That is why I do what I can where I live and donate to charities. Do I want Uncle Sam to redistribute my "wealth" for me, not really. And the wire-tapping was bogus, you will note that I said "nearly as bad". I'm not saying the guy didn't d&^% us over, after all he was a progressive. I hate to say it, but the bumper sticker is right "S3!t happens". And when it does, it is a learning experience. Those that don't learn, starve to death. Darwinism at work. Now, for the accidents and such: Family first, then charities, then, when all else fails, public assistance for a limited time.

[Caaveman82]

I help take care of homeless vets everyday at my hospital. These guys gave a lot and deserve better. We do it for free  because they obviously can't pay. The VA turns them to us. The gov't and USA have turned their eyes and looked away for far too long.

Good for you that you are okay. Many (1000s) of your "fellow americans and brothers" are not. They would benefit from this greatly.

Being snarky about only vets, obviously. And you are correct, you do serve your country when you work and pay taxes. So, lets limit the vote to those who work and pay taxes! It would accomplish almost the same thing as vets only! And yes, I voted Bush in, and as much as I hated to do it, I voted for McCain as well. As bad as Bush was, he didn't s%^& our freedoms nearly as bad in 8 years as Obama is in just a year and a half. But the problem here isn't blue and red, Dem and Rep. The problem is more or less individual freedom. Some people just don't realize that with freedom comes 1) personal responsibility and 2) the very real prospect of failure. I have failed before, and I have pulled myself back up. I do not expect the state to take care of me. On top of that, I don't want the people that couldn't make a brothel profitable to run medicine. If you can't sell &*^^% and booze, you shouldn't be running (or making mandates of) any kind of business.

I can tell you from first hand experience that even the care the VA does provide is second rate.

[Cormac]

And I worked in a service office and saw hundreds of my fellow vets come in like clockwork every six months for their handout. I also volunteered at the Vancouver VA. But now we are talking about apples and oranges. These vets gave a goodly portion of their lives to their country in exchange for a very meager pay, AND the guarantee that anything that happened to them would be taken care of. I have a very minor service connected disability, it is the only thing that I will let the VA take care of. Some of our guys are seriously messed up from the wars, I am all for their support and care. They EARNED IT. The "health" bill is a seperate matter entirely. It is primarily about seizing yet more control over the lives of the people. If everyone is dependant, you are much more unlikely to bite the hand the feeds you. But even the health aspect is forcing those with money to pay for those without. Wether or not those without are without due to circumstance or choice.

[BeSeeingYou]

Last I checked our country was developed becuase we were trying to get away from the ideals of having a government run country.  Our country was built on the idea that we would not have only one religion, and we had freedoms.  Now the government gets to tell us if we get to live by pursuing treatment or die because they don't want to spend the money.  Good bye to all the grandmothers and grandfathers in the United States.  I knew this was going to be bad when the first presidential decision made by Nobama was to shut down Gitmo and invite the terrorists who are in custody for murdering thousands of Americans into our country on our soil.

Welcome to the forum Sarah Palin.  Let's try and stay with the facts and not silly talking points.

Big surprise, an Obama supporter made the first personal insult.  
What you call talking points, hundreds of millions of Americans call core beliefs.
The phrase, "talking points" is also a way to belittle the concepts.  That's what people do when they can't make a valid argument, they resort to distorting the topic and personal attacks.
Are the 10 Commandments also "talking points"?
 

We need less government control, not more, and when you have people like Pelosi saying they'll "do whatever necessary" to pass what they call healthcare reform, and Obama saying that process doesn't really matter, it's clear we need government reform far more than healthcare reform.  
This is a nation founded on laws and beliefs, and to stray from them is to doom the nation.

(p.s.- If this healthcare is in such crisis, why doesn't most of this 'emergency' legislation kick in for four years?)

-K

government gets to tell us if we get to live.....goodbye to all Grandmothers and Grandfathers in the U.S......inviting terrorist into our country..... these are core beliefs held by hundreds of millions.

Sounds like talking points to me.  Where's your sense of humor?  Insults, personal attacks, I guess this is one downside of talk radio.  Everyone's a victim.  It's a bit of a joke and I think patriotictex got that when he called me "Barack" on a later post.

You seem to imply this was passed in some unlawful manner.  The bill was passed like any other voted on by both houses and passed by a majority.  Reconciliation will be used to pass some changes in the bill that the House wanted to the Senate version.   Reconciliation has been used by both parties numerous times and also the "Deem and Pass" which was not used had been used by Republicans numerous times over the years of the Bush Administration.  As long as they stay within the legal framework both sides have used various methods of getting their bills through and the process is less important than the final outcome.

(p.s.- If this healthcare is in such crisis, why doesn't most of this 'emergency' legislation kick in for four years?)
 
 Come on, do you really need this explained.

          I believe Reconciliation was referred to as the "Nuclear Option" in the mainstream media when used by Republicans.

Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Senate intended to allow consideration of a contentious budget bill without the threat of filibuster.  Since 1980, 17 of 23 reconciliation bills have been signed into law by Republican presidents. This can only be used for bills that have some budgetary component so it cannot be used for everything anytime anywhere.  The changes the House wants in the Senate bill meet the budget criteria and some they wanted to change did not so they were dropped.

 In U.S. politics, the nuclear option allows the United States Senate to reinterpret a procedural rule by invoking the constitutional requirement that the will of the majority be effective. This option allows a simple majority to override precedent and end a filibuster or other delaying tactic. In contrast, the cloture rule requires a supermajority of 60 votes to end a filibuster.   The threat of using this has been used most often for judicial nominees by both parties.  I don't believe it has actually been used in recent times.  It's the threat of ending the filibuster and despite all the noise neither party seems willing to pull the trigger hence the name.

So they are two different things though it is easy to confuse the two.  It is only recently with this Congress that Repubs have been using the term nuclear option in reference to Reconciliation.  Historically and in Bush's term they were and still are two different things regardless of the Republican tactics of confuse and scare.

[Cormac]

"I can tell you from first hand experience that even the care the VA does provide is second rate."

    Yet you want these people to run (in effect) all our medical facilities?

[BeSeeingYou]

As bad as Bush was, he didn't s%^& our freedoms nearly as bad in 8 years as Obama is in just a year and a half.

Guess you forgot about the Patriot Act, the wire tapping, the data mining, and the attempt to suspend habeas corpus.

[seaweb11]

Canadian Opinion: Not a soapbox rant, just my observations.

I wish you guys and gals South of us well. Having always had family health care, I wouldn't dare tell a Country how to sort themselves out.
I know I pay $114.00 per month for a family of 3, and we are all just fine.

I don't know all the nuances in what actually got voted through, but I believe for the 1st couple of years your new system will see a lot of people of every background, culture, color, income, and yes party hitting the system HARD!  "I can go to the Doctor"

I think it will be fodder for people/pundits/media looking to crap on the new system for a few years,  but I think it will slow down once people understand it won't disappear
If it costs $1500.00 in the US to have a doctor look at a lump on your neck, and rent is due and you have 2 kids , what do people do?  

Makes sense here in Canada to have a person come in as soon as possible to have it looked at before it becomes a much greater strain on the system?

Big govt/ small govt/ what ever, a healthy Country should be more important. You pay for the guy with the massive Cancer on his throat eventually.

   "Comrad" ? seriously?

No offence meant to any posters here who are obviously very emotional about keeping health care from your brothers.

[BeSeeingYou]

Canadian Opinion: Not a soapbox rant, just my observations.

I wish you guys and gals South of us well. Having always had family health care, I wouldn't dare tell a Country how to sort themselves out.
I know I pay $114.00 per month for a family of 3, and we are all just fine.

I don't know all the nuances in what actually got voted through, but I believe for the 1st couple of years your new system will see a lot of people of every background, culture, color, income, and yes party hitting the system HARD!  "I can go to the Doctor"

I think it will be fodder for people/pundits/media looking to crap on the new system for a few years,  but I think it will slow down once people understand it won't disappear
If it costs $1500.00 in the US to have a doctor look at a lump on your neck, and rent is due and you have 2 kids , what do people do?  

Makes sense here in Canada to have a person come in as soon as possible to have it looked at before it becomes a much greater strain on the system?

Big govt/ small govt/ what ever, a healthy Country should be more important. You pay for the guy with the massive Cancer on his throat eventually.

   "Comrad" ? seriously?

No offence meant to any posters here who are obviously very emotional about keeping health care from your brothers.

I welcome your input.  So the Earth has not opened up and the fires of hell burst forth? Grandma and Grandpa aren't dying in the streets?  Your economy has not collapsed?  How about the Commies taking over?  I could go on but you get my drift.