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Offline 78_SaltLick

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Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« on: January 24, 2006, 08:35:50 PM »
So my speedo(?) RPM guage light quit working, not sure when. Tonight was the first time i took it for a ride at night for quite a while.  The RPM gauge itself never worked, but at least the light lit up. Other gauge/light (One that really matters) works though. Is it as simple as replacing a bulb? Or is it a fuse? If it was a fuse, wouldnt they both burn out at the same time? Is it fairly simple to change out one of the bulbs? If so, whats the best way to go about it so i dont tear something apart i shouldnt......any help would be appreciated since im pretty lame at fixing things.

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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2006, 08:49:32 PM »
Never done it myself, but here's a blow-up diagram of the gauge set.
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2006, 09:04:36 PM »
check the connections in the head light bucket first. I doubt it's the bulbs.
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2006, 09:11:31 PM »
maintenance....put in two new bulbs. They just pull out the bottom.
If it works..great!
If not...you won't need new bulbs for a while.

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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2006, 05:47:07 AM »
I agree w/ seaweb11, first thing I'd do would be to plop a new bulb in (or just swap the bulbs from the speedo & tach).  I would also clean the socket & bulbs first.  If that doesn't do it, then you'll need to pull out a test light or multimeter.  Start by testing for voltage at the bulb socket, then tracing the wire back until you get juice at a connection.  Inspect the insulation on the wires as you go back to make sure you don't have a short somewhere (more likely around hard bends on metal).  Once you find where the problem in the circuit is, you can proceed from there by renewing connectors/wire until the light goes back on.

About your tach not working - have you removed & inspected the tach cable?  Sometimes mine unscrews a bit from the tach head when I go over especially bumpy Philly roads (note to self: don't ride over cobblestone).  I would grease the cable & make sure it goes back in the head & tach unit correctly.

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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2006, 05:47:39 AM »
My 76 started losing light bulbs left and right a while back.  Age finally caught up with them.  I found extra bulbs in some spare instrument clusters, but can't seem to find them at the local auto parts store.  Are they a Honda only item?
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2006, 06:13:34 AM »
I just replaced a couple of bulbs on my 400f, the local autozone had them. they are cheap and it only takes a couple of minutes so give it a shot.

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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2006, 10:29:48 AM »
Check the General FAQ -->> http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=2894.msg112#msg112

Way at the bottom is a discussion of LED replacements for the various lights.  So far, I've replaced incandescent w/incandescent via Autozone (yes, they were cheap), but am thinking of LED's if for no other reason than I NEVER want to fight the rubber booties back in again (idiot lights...).
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2006, 10:57:07 AM »
I'm not sure the LED's will through enough light latterly to light the face of the gauges. You might want to check into that before taking the plunge.
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2006, 11:33:45 AM »
Hi Saltlick,

There are a lot of good suggestions here, from everyone. 

I'm pretty sure your setup is similar to the one on my '76 400F - there are two bulb sockets in each gauge.  All four instrument bulbs operate on the same circuit/fuse.  The bulbs are tungsten filament, single contact, BA9 type affairs with a wattage of 3.4 watts at 12 volts.  Each has two small pins on the base sides - one 180 degrees opposed from the other.  The pins are of equal distance from the bottom (as opposed to other, similar bulbs that have one pin slightly higher than the other).  The pins are for the push-in, spring type mount, and require the bulb to be lined up properly when you put it in.  The pins are required to install/uninstall and to seat the bulb in place and hold it there relatively firmly.

Any bike store should have them.  In Canada I've found I can get similar bulbs at auto supply places, although often the bulbs are cheapish in construction and not as durable as I would like.

Can I ask - do you have a multi-meter or a voltage tester?

And to add to what others have said - when I first started changing those bulbs I was pretty hard on the little rubber housings while I was removing them from the actual gauge housing.  (They are designed as a sort of "squish fit" type deal anyway, so they're supposed to be pretty tight to keep out water etc.)  It's kinda hard to describe, but if you do go ahead and change the bulb(s) try and ease that rubber piece out very gently.  Don't just push from one side, but give it a more sensitive, mini-champagne cork kind of removal - nudge it up from at least two or three sides alternately.  Just go in tiny increments and resist the temptation to twist the thing - on such old rubber it's generally pretty easy to rip if you twist.  By gently rocking the rubber back and forth you'll be able to work it out without damaging it.  (I've got to the point where I take them out with my thumb and first two fingers in a kind of straight smooth rolling pulling action.)  Regardless, I think the important thing here is not to twist or unscrew them.  And if they haven't been out in a long while it'll be even more important to put light, equal pressure on them to get them out because they'll likely be a little stuck with degraded rubber and whatever else has found it's way into the seal over the years.

After I get the rubbers out I clean them with Mother's "Back to Black".  This preserves the little suckers and it also makes them a lot easier to reinstall and to get out the next time.

Finally, if you do remove the bulbs, clean the connector/socket.  I use a little bit of fine sandpaper gently around the inside of the socket, blow it out, and spray or wipe it with electrical contact cleaner or alcohol, and coat it with dielectric grease.  Before the grease I make sure the bulb fit is tight, and I use a precision screw driver to slightly bend the unattached side of the singe contact in the base upward a bit.  (Often in these bases I've found that this little contact is the real problem, and not the bulb at all.)  If you're careful, and a bit adventurous, you can actually push the two wires through the rubber bootie without tearing it and get to the basics - like in the picture.  I clean it all up real well, expand the spring slightly (if it needs it) and bend out the little, single sided pole contact a bit.  I have a feeling that adjusting the spring and pole like this makes a real difference by significantly increasing the reliability of the fitting.



This all sounds a little over wrought I suppose, and I'm just telling you because I didn't like the feeling I got when I ripped up the rubber the first time I changed an instrument bulb.



PS  I have yet to attach a picture to one of my posts, so please forgive me if all you get is some letters saying [img] or something like that.  I'll figure it out eventually.  Good luck!

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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2006, 11:43:14 AM »
Nice post Zane.  You get Karma for that.

I would only add that silicone spray can help slide those pesky rubber plugs out of the sockets.

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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2006, 02:07:24 PM »
Yowza!

Thanks a bunch for all the replies guys! I will try it tonight.
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2006, 03:16:36 PM »
If the tachometer light is still working but the speedo light is not, I'd go straight to the light bulb.
I've got odds on your bulb being bad or the bulb socket having corrosion preventing good contact.

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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2006, 03:44:35 PM »
Yes, the odds are for a bulb or socket if one is working but the other gauge's is not.  But they are a separate connection in the headlight bucket for each instrument, so there's still a chance Mr B is correct too. 

If it were my bike and we were talking about my problem, I'd give you 3:1 that all three were happening (bad bulb, bad socket, and a bad connection).  Seems to be the way it works around here.

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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2006, 09:48:03 PM »
Burned out bulbs......replaced them for $1.99 from an autoparts store. Now it lights up just fine. Easy to swap out too.....thanks again guys!!
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2006, 01:15:15 AM »
Yay!

Now for phase two - finding good BA9 LED's - so we never have to change them again!  So four wide angles for the speedo and tach and 3 narrows for the oil/high beam/neutral pod would be the ticket for me.  From what I understand they last almost forever, and just swapping out those 7 bulbs would represent a savings of at least twenty watts - wattage I could find a use for in, say, improving the headlight.

I don't know why one of these LED sellers doesn't just put together little kit packages of LED's for all the different models of older bikes.  They could have two versions for each bike - one where you just swap out the lights that don't wink - and one which includes a resistor or modern winker, which includes all the bulbs for the lights that do wink.  For sure I'd buy the former kit - and maybe even the full kit.


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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2006, 03:46:23 AM »
Idiot lights (BA9):  http://www.superbrightleds.com/BA9S6_specs.htm

Check the General FAQ (http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=2894.msg112#msg112) for the discussion regarding the Good/Bad/Ugly of an LED change-out for various lights.
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2006, 06:19:16 AM »
One pitfall of buying new bulbs I want everyone to be aware of...

In my owners manual Honda lists the SAE bulb numbers for the instruments, etc. So, armed with this information, I headed to the auto parts store, found the correct number bulbs, purchased them and headed home to change the burned-out ones. Imagine my frustration when I went to install the new bulbs and find out the glass portion was much larger in diameter than the old ones and would not fit through the hole in the back of the gauge! Somewhere over the years, the bulb design had changed.

So, always take the old ones with you when buying new ones as evil little surprises can crop up!
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Re: Speedo light quit working on my 74 550
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2006, 01:35:08 PM »

"maintenance"....put in two new bulbs. They just pull out the bottom.
If it works..great!
If not...you won't need new bulbs for a while.

I finally got one right ;D

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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2006, 04:26:56 PM »
One pitfall of buying new bulbs I want everyone to be aware of...
I went to install the new bulbs and find out the glass portion was much larger in diameter than the old ones ...

Too late for me - though thanks for the thought Jonesy.  I thought they looked larger than the bulbs I was replacing, but bought them anyway ($1.99 Canadian, for two) and felt a little foolish when they wouldn't fit in the meters.  So I stuck them into the oil, highbeam, neutral panel and took the little guys out of there for the gauge(s).  The bigger ones actually work really well down the middle there - they seem to be brighter even though the wattage is marginally less.  (Though the increase in brightness was likely caused more by my replacement of my wiring harness with one in far better condition, as well as my cleaning of every electrical connection on the bike.  At the end of that whole process I put those bigger bulbs in the centre panel and yikes - when I started the bike after that for a second I was afraid I'd somehow put 24 volts through everything.  It was all brighter and smoother than ever.  It wasn't as difficult doing all that work as I'd thought it would be.  I cleaned and snugged the connections, greased all the connections, installed the new harness, really solidified the main ground connection, replaced the left handlebar control switch unit, and installed an electronic regulator.  I also cleaned those little coloured plastic indicator light covers in the middle and I painted the inside on the little compartments chrome, where those bulbs fit.  Now I can see them (mainly the neutral light and signals) in bright sun.  (We had a freakishly warm day in Toronto today.  I was able to actually come out of my cavern for a little bit of sunny riding.