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Re: Found a hot motor'd bike, what do you guys think...
« Reply #75 on: May 17, 2010, 08:29:47 PM »

Nah, webbers are old hat now.....fuel injection is all the rage..... ;D

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Actually, Mick, you're preaching to the choir about EFI; I built a system from Radio Shack parts for my Mopar about 15 years ago. Webers were tops back in the '70s, and if I didn't already have them on my bike, I would go that route today.
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« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2010, 08:33:25 PM »
Wanna race Scottly?  ;D
Uh, I would, but I have an unfair advantage, since my bike only weighs about 420 pounds last time I checked.

And sadly, the webers weigh 20 pounds on their own! ;D
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« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2010, 08:34:05 PM »


[What scottly isn't going to say is that he weighs 350 pounds....]    ;) ;D

Then it wouldn't be so much of an unfair advantage, would it? I go about about 135 these days (getting fat in my old age) ;)
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« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2010, 08:35:21 PM »

And sadly, the webers weigh 20 pounds on their own! ;D

Sadly, that IS a true statement! :(
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« Reply #79 on: May 17, 2010, 09:12:48 PM »
We shall see.   ;D

Anyways couple more photos. I think the ignition is a Dyna 3? It also has the Dyna ignition box under the backbone. All I have heard is about these going out. Just for fun I am going to go run and grab some better gas to see how shes likes it.

In other news I got a visit from an officer yesterday while I was testing the bike in my neighborhood. My street being a cult a sac. This is the THIRD time the same person has called and its starting to piss me off. Last time he tried to claim I was going 60 in the neighborhood on an orange motorcycle. Well I WAS test riding an orange motorcycle but I don't think most people would call it a motorcycle. Since its my 74 trail 90. Which needs a mile runway to get to 40. Awesome. The cop did not seemed too concerned and I would take a guess he calls the cops out for things to the point where they are starting to get sick of him.

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« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2010, 09:25:37 PM »
How much does your bike weigh, TERRY..??
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« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2010, 10:20:51 PM »
My Dyna III is 26 years old. I think it's been a great ignition. Set it - forget it.
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« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2010, 04:59:11 AM »
How much does your bike weigh, TERRY..??

No idea FRANK, how much does yours weigh? How do you weigh a bike anyhow, get two sets of bathroom scales, place one wheel on each, and divide the total weight by two, or would you have to double it? Why are were yelling each others names, are we having sex? What's the capital of Finland? Why are you asking me pointless questions? Why are Webers 3 times as heavy as CV's? How come you're so fat? If no-one voted for Obama, how come he's President? Ha ha, Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2010, 05:04:54 AM »

Anyways couple more photos. I think the ignition is a Dyna 3? It also has the Dyna ignition box under the backbone. All I have heard is about these going out. Just for fun I am going to go run and grab some better gas to see how shes likes it.


Nothing wrong with Dyna 3's mate, Dyna stopped making them because they were more expensive to make than the venerable Dyna S, but I've had a couple fitted to CB750's and they're great. If you're not happy with it, take it off and fit the standard OEM ignition and coils, and you'll wish you hadn't! ;D
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« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2010, 07:48:25 AM »
I hit caps by mistake, easier to change one letter than all..

 I have already explained before that Webers do not weigh what Terry insists they do. Point being on a 420 lb bike it would still be lighter than most.. So if his carbs are 2-3 lbs less, but his bike weighs 50 lbs more....
 Fot those who have not weighed their bike, git a piece of wood same height as the scale, then with one wheel, on wood and one on scale record weight.. then the other wheel.. and add em up.  Or sneak into the truck scales..

 My last bike was probably 460- 470 ish..

 420 is getting down there for a street 750 with lighting..
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« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2010, 10:06:05 AM »
Oh geez, boys, just take a good dump to offset the enormous weight of those monster carbs!

Terry, how much does yer bike weigh mate?  ;D
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« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2010, 07:10:41 AM »
Before anyone gets taken in by the misinformation in post #76

 A  Weber set does not weigh 20 lbs, its quite a bit less. I just checked a shipping box from a set I bought.. under 16 lbs, including box, packing material, and some tools thrown in with the shipment.
 
 We dont run em cuz they are lighter, we run em because of what they do for the powerband, and the ease of jetting,  and the fact that they have more circuits than other carbs..

 If youre that worried about a few lbs mate, perhaps a narrower rear rim on the gold bike, will help it out.. ;)
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« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2010, 07:18:16 AM »
If youre that worried about a few lbs mate, perhaps a narrower rear rim on the gold bike, will help it out.. ;)

Or just loose a few lbs fat boy ;) ;D ;D...I can see why you bought the Rocket now..
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« Reply #88 on: May 20, 2010, 03:22:35 AM »
If youre that worried about a few lbs mate, perhaps a narrower rear rim on the gold bike, will help it out.. ;)

Or just loose a few lbs fat boy ;) ;D ;D...I can see why you bought the Rocket now..

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« Reply #89 on: May 20, 2010, 07:42:26 AM »
Before anyone gets taken in by the misinformation in post #76

 A  Weber set does not weigh 20 lbs, its quite a bit less. I just checked a shipping box from a set I bought.. under 16 lbs, including box, packing material, and some tools thrown in with the shipment.
 
 We dont run em cuz they are lighter, we run em because of what they do for the powerband, and the ease of jetting,  and the fact that they have more circuits than other carbs..

 If youre that worried about a few lbs mate, perhaps a narrower rear rim on the gold bike, will help it out.. ;)

I've contacted an online Weber shop and asked them for the weight of a pair of 40 DCOE webers Frank, they won't have a Honda manifold of course, But I'm sure you'd be happy to add a couple of pounds to his total for that? No point arguing about what we think they weigh, we'll have to wait and see what the Weber expert says, I guess? To answer your question, my wider (and lighter than OEM) alloy front and rear rims are a necessity so that I can run wider, stickier modern rubber, which really improves the handling performance of the gold bike. Along with the other mods, it's proved to me that a CB750 with a stock frame can handle really well, without extensive frame bracing, as long as you use good quality add on parts.

The original builder of the gold bike was Ken Piper, a well known Aussie race bike builder and now a mechanical engineering lecturer at the Australian Defence Academy who built the 1987 Arai 500 race winner, and Yamaha were so impressed that his privateer bike beat the mega dollar factory race bikes that they took him to Japan to build an FZR1000 Yamaha race bike frame for the factory for the 1988 Suzuka 800. Ken is a pragmatist, and while he liked the relative simplicity of the CB750, he built the gold bike to perform and handle like a modern bike, and I've got to say that it's the best CB750 I've ever ridden, and I've ridden many, and have owned more than 20 since I bought my first new CB750 in 1978.

I don't know what it weighs, but I know the wheels weigh less, the front end weighs less, the Yoshimura pipe weighs less, the guages weigh less, the front fender weighs less, the ignition weighs less, etc etc, so apart from my opinion that the fitting of Webers wouldn't be a performance improvement, considering that the 32mm CV's on it work great and weigh probably half that of the OEM carbs, and probably a third of a Weber setup, I can't think why I'd want to add any unnecessary weight for what could only be considered "cosmetic" reasons? And considering Mick's point that you can install modern EFI which would p1ss all over either system and still weigh less, I guess it's just a "form vs function" argument, yeah? ;D   
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« Reply #90 on: May 20, 2010, 08:07:52 AM »
 Well, I dont run Webers just for cosmetic reasons, although I do like the look. They have some distinct advantages, that I make full use of..

 So what are you saying, you do not trust the shipping weight that came off the package that a member on here sent to me?
I dont know why you are BSing about the weights on here, yet another time.. its not your first!

 By the late 70,s and eighties, carbs did become lighter, a lot lighter. The downside to this as far as vintage bikes go, is they may not last. Some diecast thinwall parts are not that long-lived, they can warp and crack.. this does not mean all of it will but some stuff did. Its my firm belief, that in another 20-30 years, Vintages Japan bikes will be valued by the intactness of the carbs and the plastic parts.

 EFI has its advantages and place, but I prefer a more straight forward user fixable bike on long rides.

 I only  brought up the rims to illustrate, the point that if the ends justify the means, a  bit of extra weight may be worth it in the owners opinion..
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« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2010, 08:54:51 AM »
Man, I'm glad I got the CR Specials over those overweight Webers.   ;) ;D

I wouldn't want to be last to the finish line....   ;) ;D



Just kidding Frank.   ;D
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« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2010, 02:17:33 PM »

  So what are you saying, you do not trust the shipping weight that came off the package that a member on here sent to me?
I dont know why you are BSing about the weights on here, yet another time.. its not your first!

 

Yeah, pretty much. You see, I know that you'll BS as much as anyone else here Frank if you think it will serve your purpose, so me asking a Weber dealer (and thus entering a neutral third party into the argument) should tell us once and for all, who's actually bullsh1tting. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2010, 03:12:28 PM »
Hey now..  ;D



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« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2010, 04:14:19 PM »
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I only  brought up the rims to illustrate, the point that if the ends justify the means, a  bit of extra weight may be worth it in the owners opinion..

Only if it is caused by beer..... ;)

Just for interests sake, EFI is now just as reliable or even more reliable than carbs. The system that i will be using only has 2 sensors {which are small enough to put in your tool kit} and is extremely simple. Why is it better than webbers you ask? because it uses temp revs and flow to determine the perfect supply of fuel, unlike webbers that just throw piles of fuel at the engine, are large and probably the least used performance method used on any bike,and not to mention, expensive. I can also guarentee you that 2 exact bikes side by side, one using webbers and one injected, the injected bike would almost double the webbers fuel economy because the injection only gives the engine what it needs. I have NO experience with webbers on bikes but have plenty with cars and the webbers have ALWAYS been the thirstiest method of fueling an engine.......Did i mention that they are expensive as well.... ;D

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« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2010, 06:52:04 PM »
Hey now..  ;D

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« Reply #96 on: May 20, 2010, 09:05:00 PM »
 Actually I get good mileage out of Webers, you can tune them to do what you want.

 I am not saying there is anything wrong with FI, Just I am not about to change..

 So you are saying you can get brand new fuel injection on a bike for under a grand.. including any mods to charging system..

 I would be pretty impressed if FI could get 15% better mileage than carbs..

 Terry if can find any example of me BSing anyone on here, please bring it on.... feel free..
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« Reply #97 on: May 20, 2010, 09:21:29 PM »
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I would be pretty impressed if FI could get 15% better mileage than carbs..

Why do you think almost every manufacturer on the planet uses injection ? Today, carbs are old technology. An Aussie car manufacturer recently changed to direct port injection and got better than 10 percent on the older throttle body type of injection which in itself was 10-12 percent more efficient than the earlier carburetor models,so yes %15 would be possible.

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So you are saying you can get brand new fuel injection on a bike for under a grand.. including any mods to charging system..

The control unit is around $250 injectors are around the same price or even cheaper, not brand new but second hand GSXR 600 injectors, a couple of sensors, thats about it, there's a small amount of mods to be done like putting a Honda throttle linkage on so standard cables can be used but the answer is "YES" you can inject your bike for well under a grand if you know what you are doing. Charging system is an easy one to get around, since i am doing a ground up rebuild of an old drag bike i will use LED indicators and tail light and a HID headlight.....Plenty of power.....lots of research going into this build but it is all possible mate.... ;)

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« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2010, 09:28:55 PM »
 No I meant new, not used stuff..

 I have checked the price of  new Webers a while ago..

 As far as used sets, I am into 2 sets here for less than what you are spending..
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« Reply #99 on: May 20, 2010, 09:30:58 PM »
Retro, I welcome your input on my thread about Webers vs EFI. Frank, you are welcome, too, of course! :)
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