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What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« on: December 18, 2010, 07:59:22 PM »
The walnut shell I have is not cutting it.  I need something more abrasive.  The battery tray is rusted perty good so imagine it will need to take some metal off as well.  It handled the tray fine but it was not rusted and corroded near as bead.

I have the HF blasting cabinet on legs.  The orange one, not the gray one.

Lowes around me does not seem to carry any media.  HF does not carry coal slag but they seem to have 80 grit glass bead and 70 grit aluminum oxide.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2010, 08:15:18 PM by TipperT »
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2010, 08:17:25 PM »
i just dropped this in mollasses for a week,didnt even blast it afterwards.the bottom photo is just hosed off!looks ok now its painted.,i pulled all the rubbers out and such,just used some jiff on a steelo pad afterwards.i just use fine white washed sand in my little blaster.

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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2010, 08:17:55 PM »
I've always used aluminum oxide w/good results.
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2010, 08:23:07 PM »
That's crazy what molasses did!

Anything special I should know about aluminum oxide or perty much treat it the same as walnut shells?  Those walnut shells can dust up a place quick, lol.
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2010, 08:28:01 PM »
No trick with the al oxide. It get's dusty too, the more it's used and the more dirt, rust, crap that mixes with it [I reused it many times but would filter it each time].

Dave - is that what you had in the truck tube?!?
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2010, 08:34:01 PM »
stevo that was a front fender in the tube,it was the only thing i could think off to hold the fender but not require gallons of mollasses,its a good trick tipper,50/50 with water,you cant go too far it only eats rust not the good steel and its cheap and can be used over and over.it just hoses away aswell.
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 04:16:54 AM »
Grainger sells glass beads in a bucket and they work well.  The advantage is you can use them at 80 psi and on engine parts also.  NEVER blast engine parts with sand!

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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 11:10:38 AM »
Would vinegar remove the rust?
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2010, 12:35:39 PM »
Yes.
 I have a big bin of malt vinegar I used to clean all the metal bits of my newest project.
Couple of days usually does it.

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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2010, 12:48:51 PM »
Would vinegar remove the rust?

Yes.  Any acid would.   It is the strength of the acid, temperature, and exposure time, that is important to consider.
All acids will dissolve rust.  The higher the strength, the faster it reacts/dissolves.
However, acids are indiscriminate in it's dissolving/converting attacks.  So, the base metal also dissolves/converts as it is exposed to the acid.

The acid's activity with other materials is related to its strength.  This is where the pH scale comes in.
Molasses (sulfured) has a PH of about 6 (it is the diluted sulfuric acid in molasses that is the active ingredient).  Vinegar generally has a pH of about 3 or 4, making it a more active acid.  The lower the number, the more acidic.

You can reduce the reactive effect of an acid by diluting it.  Mixing a volume of pH4 with a volume of pH7, will result in a pH somewhere between the 2 numbers mixed in a ratio related to the volume of each mixed.  In this way you can adjust the overall pH, or activity of the end product.

Also of note, is that as the acid reacts with the rust or base metal, its acidity level decreases, or becomes more neutral.
So, if you start with a pH of 6, dissolving the rust may result in end result of pH6.5 or pH7, which isn't very active at all and unlikely to remove (or convert) either rust or base metal.  So, any given acid treatment balances the amount of rust/base mental removed,with the useful life of the acid applied.  High strength acids or high quantities of acids, can remove rust more quickly at the risk of losing base metal.  Conversely, low strength acids and low volumes of acids run the risk of depleting themselves before all the rust has converted.

For the latent chemist out there, a warning.  Mixing acids and bases together produces an exothermic reaction.  The activity is related to the spread of pH factor between the two chemicals.  For example, introducing Lye to Battery acid is VERY dangerous, and equates to an explosion, where both un-neutralized lye and battery acid coats nearby objects.  Both these chemicals will dissolve the human eye, as well as most of the human body.  In any mixing of pH different chemicals, the reaction violence is related to the difference of the pH between the materials (and, of course) the mobility of the chemicals, solid, gel, liquid, gas etc.).

Be careful of your experiments.  Knowledge can be a a significant factor in both success and safety.

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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2010, 12:56:33 PM »
Just blast it!
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2010, 01:16:17 PM »
That is very interesting TT.  Looking at the chart, no wonder Coke is recommended for cleaning battery terminals.

I just got back from HF.  I picked up 20lbs of black 70 grit aluminum oxide.  I hope that does the trick.

http://www.harborfreight.com/20-lbs-70-grit-aluminum-oxide-abrasive-66824.html

Ordered new A & B rubbers off of eBay for the battery tray as well.  I do not think they will survive me taking them off.  Can't find new C rubber.  That is the one that the battery sits on.  I can figure out how to re-use that if I break off the the little rubber things if they come apart.

Thanks for everyone's input!
« Last Edit: December 19, 2010, 01:20:13 PM by TipperT »
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2010, 04:16:06 PM »
That stuff worked like a charm!  Had to sit a bit on a few spots but it worked well.
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2010, 04:37:30 PM »
Ordered new A & B rubbers off of eBay for the battery tray as well.  I do not think they will survive me taking them off.  Can't find new C rubber.  That is the one that the battery sits on.  I can figure out how to re-use that if I break off the the little rubber things if they come apart.

A small diameter rod (half the size of the hole or so) and push from the outside through the hole.  Lubricant helps.  I didn't rip one rubber part when I did it that way. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2010, 05:16:00 PM »
Great!
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2010, 05:18:21 PM »
Grainger sells glass beads in a bucket and they work well.  The advantage is you can use them at 80 psi and on engine parts also.  NEVER blast engine parts with sand!

+1 on the glass beads.  I get them at Harbor Freight.
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Re: What is a good media for blasting the battery tray?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2010, 02:55:29 AM »
Yeah, glass beads are great, but everything in moderation.

My friend says the holes that showed up in my 350f airbox are probably good- the one that is stock wasn't doing it's job to drain condensaton. But as I was seeing it and blasting it as rusty  dark spots, it was becomming jagged exit holes.

Not to worry, it just needed more holes anyway.

Nice flashlight spot , huh?
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