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1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Runner is ready for the RELAY
« on: February 28, 2011, 11:24:24 AM »
Hey SOHC4ers.  So I had to take a too-good-to-be-true offer on my 750, but had it in the back of my mind that I wanted to get back to the nimbler 550s.  I immediately started scouring CrackList to find a replacement so I would have time to get it in great shape before the RALLY and "IT" hits Southern California.  I've been trying to rally riders from down here, and what kind of person would I be if I didn't even have a bike to participate!?

Now, being a self-proclaimed CL expert, I know what it takes to snag a deal when one pops up.  You drop what the hell you're doing, get in the car and tell the guy "DIBS".  I spotted this little gem at about 9:00 on Saturday night and called the contact and set up a meeting for first thing the next day.  He was asking $1,750 and had apparently had a bunch of calls, but no one look at it yet.  I offered to paypal him a deposit, but he agreed that as long as I came before 9:00, he wouldn't let anyone else look at it.  I left my house at about 7:30 and by 9:30 we had agreed that $1,200 was a fair price.  He also agreed to drive it back to San Diego for gas money.  DONE DEAL!



So the bike:  It's a 1974 CB550K with 25,000 miles.  It's totally complete even down to the signal buzzer (which I've never seen before).  The only trouble spots are the tank, which has some dents, and a terrible liner that is flaking and peeling.  And some really scary $h*t....see below.  We were able to get it started right up, but could tell it was only running on 3 cylinders because the #3 bowl had no fuel.  

All of the chrome is pretty much mint.  But one fork ear is a bit bent.  The fork seals don't appear to be leaking.  Brakes are firm.  Spokes could use some bartenders friend but the wheels are straight and the tires are new.

Anyone recognize this 4 into 1 exhaust?  Can I drill out the baffle easily?










Not stock rectifier/regulator?


Blah....


Now for the scary part... I was tinkering in my driveway, and this nasty bastard dropped out of the left side engine cover.


I later found his mate, complete with red hour glass on her belly, and I sent them both to their final resting place (black widows are the only spiders I kill...)


I'm going to get to work cleaning, tuning, etc so that I have a safe reliable stock runner by the time "IT" gets down here to San Diego.  I can't wait to put some miles on her!



« Last Edit: March 26, 2011, 02:55:16 PM by OneWheelDrive »
1975 CB550 cafe
1971 CB500 stocker
2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100S *sold*
1973 CB350F *sold*
1975 CB550K Project "Keeper" *sold*
2010 Ducati Monster S4RS *sold*
1976 CB360T *sold*
1974 CB550K *sold*
1973 CB750K *sold*
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2011, 01:43:02 PM »
Nice find on the 550! I too hate running into those buggers, they're a given though working on these old girls. Especially when they get left outside or in a shed.
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2011, 02:41:00 PM »
Awesome name!
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2011, 06:09:28 PM »
Those little evil demons scare the crap out of me but it is cool that they more or less gave you a proper name for the project.

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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2011, 10:12:37 AM »
Gained some ground last night.  



Got the carbs off and rebuilt.  I'll save you the photos as most of you know what dirty and clean carbs look like....

Hmm, a bit of duct tape?


Headlight bucket, although very dusty, looked complete and not mucked with.


Started de-rusting the spokes with barkeeper's friend.  Talk about labor intensive!  

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Only 80 or so to go!
« Last Edit: March 21, 2011, 10:20:12 AM by OneWheelDrive »
1975 CB550 cafe
1971 CB500 stocker
2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100S *sold*
1973 CB350F *sold*
1975 CB550K Project "Keeper" *sold*
2010 Ducati Monster S4RS *sold*
1976 CB360T *sold*
1974 CB550K *sold*
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2011, 11:36:59 AM »
So she's running like a champ!  I think there may be some issues with the in-tank filter caused by the flaking Kreem job.  Removal of that crap is definitely next on the list of things to do.  I'm not sure if I'm going to tackle it myself or find a professional to get it done.  Both radiator shops local to me said, "motorcycle tanks?? we dont touch that crap", so I'm scratching my head as to who would be capable of doing the job.

Odie and I are hitting the Trophy Motorcycles vintage bike night tonight in El Cajon.  Should be a good time!
1975 CB550 cafe
1971 CB500 stocker
2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100S *sold*
1973 CB350F *sold*
1975 CB550K Project "Keeper" *sold*
2010 Ducati Monster S4RS *sold*
1976 CB360T *sold*
1974 CB550K *sold*
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2011, 03:35:46 PM »
I was experiencing some issues with just off idle stumble and jerkiness which I thought was a fuel delivery problem.  I had done a plug chop, but admittedly, only to the outside cylinders as they are the easy ones to get to.  They looked a bit lean if anything so that's what led me to think fuel starvation caused by the miserable Kreem job in the tank (the most obvious looking culprit).  How miserable was the Kreem flaking? 



This was just what was recovered with a BBQ tongs through the gas cap.  Pretty cruddy, but actually not that bad as most of it came out in large sheets.  On the bottom 3 inches of the tank (with a very defined line), the liner is actually still adhered very well and not worth scraping off.  I drained the rest of the tank and removed, cleaned, and rebuilt the petcock, finding really not much more than a few flakes in the screen. 

I thought maybe the tank vent was clogged, so I drilled a small 1/8" hole in the cap.  The flow out of both spigots was clear and quick, so checked that issue off the list as a potential issue.

The drive chain was a bit loose, so I tightened that to spec as I though maybe it was whipping a bit under load.  A good idea to adjust, but not the culprit.

I decided at this point that maybe I should consider the possibility that when the PO said, "I just adjusted the timing, cam chain, and valve clearances", he may have meant "adjusted poorly". 

I popped off the tappet covers and dug in.  The valves were ALL outta whack.  Some very loose, some very tight.  I adjusted all to spec with my fancy new tappet adjuster and closed the tappet covers.  I did discover that I had cracked one cover when removing it, but I Bogarted one from my donor motor.  Now the valve train sounds like a smooth sewing machine.  I don't know why I hadn't thought about the lack of valve sound before, but it was definitely running too quietly.  A recipe to burn up valves...

I was still experiencing my jerkiness so I tried chopping plugs when it happened (all four plugs  ;)), easiest to reproduce in 2nd gear at about 2k rpm.  Looked like my 1 and 4 cylinders were perfect and tan, and 2 and 3 were VERY sooty and rich.  Hmmm, air bleed screws are set the same, carbs are fresh and clean inside, AHA, timing!

I opened the points plate and got out my test light.  I gapped the points to .014 and noticed the 2/3 point was drastically over spec.  I don't have a strobe, but then successfully static timed both sets with slightly advanced timing.  Closed it all up and hit the start button and she purred to life as expected.  To my great amazement, that tiny adjustment to the point contact solved the richness issue in the 2/3 cylinders.  I guess at low rpms the 2/3 were greatly retarded, causing incomplete combustion and a struggle in the crank shaft. Now the bike pulls predictably through the low rpms and screams up to the high end with no issues. 

I now have a great respect for the process of the full 3000 mile tune up.  When performed in order it really eliminates any mysteries or potential issues methodically and systematically.  When you might think it's something big like a flaking tank liner, logic will lead to you to a mis adjustment of just one hundredth of an inch!

I also learned to really take a PO's statements with a grain of salt.  Really, how likely is it that someone that can't clean a set of carbs knows how to set timing and valve clearances? 

I also stripped the paint off the tank as it was brutally flaking, cracking, fuel stained.  I had some rattle can and threw that on until I have a chance to get the tank stripped by a radiator shop.  Advanced Radiator in Escondido quoted me $50 to burn off all paint and old liner, degas, and Redkote the interior.  That's definitely next on the list!


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1971 CB500 stocker
2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100S *sold*
1973 CB350F *sold*
1975 CB550K Project "Keeper" *sold*
2010 Ducati Monster S4RS *sold*
1976 CB360T *sold*
1974 CB550K *sold*
1973 CB750K *sold*
1978 CB550K *sold*
2007 Vespa LX150 *sold*

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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 07:32:25 AM »
Stoked you got her running, looks great. It's getting nice again in SoCal, so perfect timing!
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2011, 08:00:37 AM »
Bike is looking sharp as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for the great detail, insight, pics, etc.. Good stuff.
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2011, 04:29:11 PM »
Dude, bike is looking sharp!
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2011, 04:55:03 PM »
More importantly, it's running very well.  I was able to get most of the Kreem outta the tank and the petcock filter seems to be keeping the carbs clean.  I rode it to work on this beautiful sunny day and am very much looking forward to the rally!

Ordered some drag bars to drop the riding position a bit.  I have a hard time doing anything else to such a cherry bike though.  Odie, looks like it's going to rain this weekend, but we'll have to ride soon.  It looked like you were having some jetting issues?  Get everything worked out?
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2011, 10:59:02 AM »
That's awesome.

I do have some clubman's that I'm not using. But you know, Woodcraft makes 3 piece clip-ons for vintage bikes. They make them in fork tube diameters 35mm on up. I have them on my CB and I really like them. Not very vintage, but still nice.

I was just trying to dial in the jetting. I change the mains, the jets weren't tightened into the emulsion tubes and fell out, which made the bike run like crap. Once that was fixed, the bike runs a lot better (than even before re-jetting). The main thing now is the throttle cables. The throttle is so stiff, it's almost unridable.

More importantly, it's running very well.  I was able to get most of the Kreem outta the tank and the petcock filter seems to be keeping the carbs clean.  I rode it to work on this beautiful sunny day and am very much looking forward to the rally!

Ordered some drag bars to drop the riding position a bit.  I have a hard time doing anything else to such a cherry bike though.  Odie, looks like it's going to rain this weekend, but we'll have to ride soon.  It looked like you were having some jetting issues?  Get everything worked out?
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2011, 09:09:52 AM »
My buddy was in town all weekend and I gave him a fun riding lesson around the neighborhood on the bike.  

He also helped me get my bars swapped out for drag bars and superbike grips.  We figured it would take about an hour, but with the drilling of the bars, running of the wires, reconfiguration of the master cylinder and banjo bolt, rerouting of the throttle cables, it ended up taking about 4 hours  :o.  Fun time though, plenty of beers and catching up on old times.  Pretty happy with the result, especially considering I was expecting tank clearance issues but there's about an inch of room at full lock.

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« Last Edit: March 21, 2011, 09:15:14 AM by OneWheelDrive »
1975 CB550 cafe
1971 CB500 stocker
2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100S *sold*
1973 CB350F *sold*
1975 CB550K Project "Keeper" *sold*
2010 Ducati Monster S4RS *sold*
1976 CB360T *sold*
1974 CB550K *sold*
1973 CB750K *sold*
1978 CB550K *sold*
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2011, 10:09:09 AM »
OWD, I like those bars. Very nice.
I took apart my entire front end to get new tired and rebuild the forks anticipating the rain. Oh, well.
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2011, 10:09:52 AM »
Wow. Great find, except for the Black Widows, but the new name and their presence is very apropos.
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2011, 05:31:25 PM »
Well, if you don't repaint it before the ride then you must paint a black widow on each side of the tank to properly identify the bike! 

Nice find on the bike in very nice shape.
Do you really want to hack up the nice exhaust or replace with something else that will give you the growl and sound you want?

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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2011, 07:47:01 PM »

Do you really want to hack up the nice exhaust or replace with something else that will give you the growl and sound you want?

David

Actually, no hacking was required, drilled some holes in the back plate of the baffle, and now it sounds just right :-D.
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1971 CB500 stocker
2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100S *sold*
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2010 Ducati Monster S4RS *sold*
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2011, 09:49:55 AM »
Hey OWD, you should paint the bar controls all black and rub in some red paint for the lettering. I think that would emphasis the 'black widow' aspect.
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2011, 10:02:13 AM »
Hey OWD, you should paint the bar controls all black and rub in some red paint for the lettering. I think that would emphasis the 'black widow' aspect.

I know...but I'm so torn.  Do I keep all the shiny chrome and stock bulkiness or do I start stripping off parts and bust out the Rustoleum to make it lean and mean???  I've never owned a fully stock bike and I think I would feel bad covering up the stock patina with rattle can paint.
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1975 CB550K Project "Keeper" *sold*
2010 Ducati Monster S4RS *sold*
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2011, 11:18:55 AM »
ya, that's quite a quandary. I guess my bike is so far from stock, I don't have to worry about that kinda stuff.

I just put some Rizoma red anodized grips on those black anodized Woodcraft clip-ons with my 2005 GSXR radial master cylinder with gold anodized ASV brake lever. Pretty far from stock, eh?
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2011, 07:56:23 PM »
You have a nice original bike with parts that are in great shape. My '74 came out of California but was missing some parts and I intend to return her to stock form when time and money allows. She's currently yellow and was originally the Sunrise Orange Metallic. I've had to acquire lots of parts and still need to replace some damaged parts. Some were missing and some were damaged as I've said.   So, if you want to trade parts or the like from your stock parts...drop me a line.

You could always pick up another 550 that was already hacked up a bit and just redo the tank on this one and sell it after the ride with "IT".  It would finance your future project. A running bike always is worth a lot more than one that isn't.

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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Get a runner before "IT" gets here!
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2011, 04:00:48 PM »
Hey OWD, you should paint the bar controls all black and rub in some red paint for the lettering. I think that would emphasis the 'black widow' aspect.

Done and done :-D



Next on the list is the laborious task of masking off my rims from the spokes so I can cover the rusty snottiness. 
1975 CB550 cafe
1971 CB500 stocker
2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100S *sold*
1973 CB350F *sold*
1975 CB550K Project "Keeper" *sold*
2010 Ducati Monster S4RS *sold*
1976 CB360T *sold*
1974 CB550K *sold*
1973 CB750K *sold*
1978 CB550K *sold*
2007 Vespa LX150 *sold*

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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Runner is ready for the RELAY
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2011, 03:16:02 PM »
Spent HOURS today getting some paint done.  Prep took quite a bit of time as I didn't want to paint the chrome rims, but only the rusty spokes and hubs.  I took a suggestion from another forum member and used a hole punch and razor blade to make a tape mask for each spoke.  80 of the little f**kers took forever. 











Pretty happy with the way it turned out.  Hopefully the Rustoleum holds up!

Also painted the top triple, dummy light housing, handle controls, and used some red Testors modelling paint to give the scheme a little black widow flavor.



Bike is running killer and ready for the Relay!
1975 CB550 cafe
1971 CB500 stocker
2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100S *sold*
1973 CB350F *sold*
1975 CB550K Project "Keeper" *sold*
2010 Ducati Monster S4RS *sold*
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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Runner is ready for the RELAY
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2011, 03:39:04 PM »
Bike is looking killer!  You got your Spider Man outfit ready for the relay?  ;D

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Re: 1974 CB550 Project BLACK WIDOW: Runner is ready for the RELAY
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2011, 04:07:46 PM »
Nice! Muffler looks like the Mac that came on my 550.
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