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1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« on: December 22, 2007, 08:25:06 am »
I just picked up a 1971 CB750 with just under 14,000 miles on it.
It has  double row chain and sprockets!
I don't remember ever seeing these on any other CB750 or any bike for that matter.
Was this something that came stock on some bikes, or is it an aftermarket upgrade,(or down grade)?
What was the purpose? ???
 

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2007, 08:36:10 am »
It wasn't stock, but someones idea that this was an improvement. Two times scrap is still scrap, it just makes a bigger hole in the cases! As you know todays chain has improved so much so that you can install a good quality narrower than stock chain with improved tensile strength over that monstrosity.

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2007, 08:45:07 am »
Could be an ex- drag bike.

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2007, 08:50:03 am »
Can it be switched back to a single row set up simply, or was there mods made that have to corrected also?
The sprockets don't show any wear and I really don't plan on hot-rodding the bike, so I'm not worried about breaking it.
It looks tough, but does seem to be over kill.
I know what you mean about the new chains though. I race MX and it is amazing what kind of abuse the new chains can put up with, with very little maintainence.

Don't believe it was ever raced, just looks like someone wanted to spend money on stuff,(we all know the type)!

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2007, 09:26:35 am »
They were for street use and maybe racing. If they were for racing then they would need more sprocket sizes.

I cant remember who made them, but seen a few on Hondas and on a Kawi 900.

Cool nostalgia piece though....
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2007, 11:01:32 am »
photos please ;D, cheers mick
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2007, 11:17:06 am »
I picked up a bike a while back with the same set up.  I got most of the replies you see here.  If your chopping the bike, keep it.  If your restoring or cafe-ing it, sell it to a chopper hound.  ;)

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2007, 11:23:37 am »
Yes it can be switched back.. no mods.

Someone on here may even trade??
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2007, 11:46:04 am »
That kit was made by Azusa Engineering in So. Cal. At the time there were no good chains available, and that what the people with high horsepower bikes used.

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2007, 12:20:43 pm »
photos please ;D, cheers mick

Here is a picture of the rear sprocket and chain.

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2007, 12:24:17 pm »
MEATY !!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2007, 12:27:06 pm »
MEATY !!!!!

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2007, 01:42:29 pm »
The front sprocket would be the interesting part.  The rear could easily be done with spacers and longer bolts, but the front would be a little more difficult.
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2007, 02:07:47 pm »
They were an aftermarket accessory, expensive and not really needed. They also came in chromed versions. The biggest issue with them was in getting the engine sprockets and wheel sprockets aligned, because these don't always match up in the stock configuration (see the chain notes in the FAQ). The K0 required notching of the chain cover at the engine to make it all fit together; I never installed one on a K1-later, so I don't know if yours is also notched. They appeared first in 1970, due to the reputation of the CB750 being "the $1695.00 chain breaker tool". I always thought of these kits as being like the guy who stuffed a sock into his tight jeans before riding the "strip" for the night....  :-\  They are heavy, adding a lot of unspring weight, and between the weight and the extra friction, consume several HP in the process before reaching the wheel.

The 530 chain can transmit over 100 HP continuously, if properly lubed. The 50 chain (and similar O-ring chains) can handle about 70 HP. The difference is in the pins inside the rollers that also connect the links together. Superior quality chains like the Diamond XL series can handle even more HP and torque. I've long used the Diamond XL100 (hard to find!), getting up to 20,000 miles on them, replacing at 1.5% chain stretch. Dyno tests in the 1970s were used to develop these chains for the motorcycle industry, specifically for the CB750 and the Kaw Blue Streak, both notorious chain breakers.

Serious drag racers avoided them for their weight and power loss...chopper 750s seemed to have lots of them!
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2007, 02:11:55 pm »
thats a pretty pimp setup for a chop. kinda like that billy lane bike with the chains for the open primary!

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2007, 05:02:47 pm »
What happened to Billy Lane after he killed the guy on the bike? Dannie
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2007, 05:22:58 pm »
I think he got off.  Google his name.  I would, but I don't care,

The one(big) advantage to that setup is reduction in chain wear.  3 to 4 times of adjustment(and replacement) intervals using chains of the day, who knows with todays chains.  I'd keep it.  The thing is though, that the chain and sprockets wear together, so if you have to replace one, you have to replace both chain and sprockets, even with that setup.  So it does double your costs.  But the cool factor...
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2007, 05:38:46 pm »
newcbguy,
Are you talking about the stock chain drive primary HD ran for 80 years???
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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2007, 07:32:11 pm »
  But the cool factor...

Ya, thats what I think! Just fixing the bike up to ride around town and go to the hang outs. It should be a good conversation starter!
There doesn't seem to be any seeable wear on the chain or the sprockets and there is plenty of adjustment left.
I don't have any plans to change it out, and I hope to keep this bike for a long time.
I will post some more pics when I get it back together.
Anyone here live near Naples, Fla.? I am heading down there in a week or so and will be staying in the area for a couple months. I am taking this bike with me and will be riding it well I am down there.

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2007, 07:44:32 pm »
Cyclexchange is selling double chain conversion kits.  Attached is a Pic from their site . . . .

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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2007, 08:55:49 pm »
On one of those discovery channel chopper shows billy lane built a bike with about 5-6 chains for the primary. It looked awesome but would chew up his pant legs he said. hate to get a finger in there. I didnt know that he killed someone!?!

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Re: 1971 CB750 w/ double row chain and sprockets?
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2007, 01:37:33 am »
I remember those kits, "Sonic Choppers" here in Melbourne used to sell them, from memory they were a smaller pitch and diameter than the OEM, probably because they used some industrial chain for the application. They did look cool, but even then, there were better options around. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2007, 02:18:01 am »
Thanks for the photos i have never seen one before  ;), i would leave it on i kinda like these early aftermarket parts  8), cheers mick.
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2007, 02:46:51 am »
Yeah, me too Mick! ;D

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