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Offline laminaytrap

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2013, 09:11:33 PM »
Well right now it's black, and we all know what they say... Cause it's hard to paint light over dark. Probably strip the fins and go light there or gold/bronze, but the rest will likely be satin black. I had some luck with the bronze vht high heat on a previous project.

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2013, 11:47:26 PM »
a dark gold/bronze would look great. I think it would contrast with the satin black very well.
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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter
« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2013, 11:04:25 AM »
I'm committed now



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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2013, 06:40:42 PM »
Posting this here too. Is it normal for the head gasket to look like this? Or is there a reason behind it?


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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2013, 08:00:04 PM »
I think that's normal, although I don't have any experience with it myself. I remember reading a post somewhere on this forum about the Honda head gaskets having oval cylinder rings. After a while, the cyclinders will wear into an oval shape due to the side loads caused by the rods. The Honda gaskets are engineered to anticipate the wear. At least, that is the way I understood it.

Looking forward to seeing how your swingarm design turns out. If it's a winner, I might have to copy you on one of my furture projects.
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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2013, 01:32:18 PM »
Haha, I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out too, need to get my ass in gear and build a jig/fixtures. Maybe I'll cad up the latest revision tonight. Then I can order material.

On a related note my swingarm has obviously never seen grease, I didn't realize there was a nipple down there. Had to use WD40 and drive it out with a sledgehammer. Grease your pivots!!!
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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter
« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2013, 02:33:26 PM »
Subscribed... This looks like it's going to be an exciting build.

What were you planning on making your swing arm out of?

Did you ever get all those exhaust studs out?  I got a tip from my machinist to cook the head on a electric griddle for 30 minutes.
The combination of soaking and heating the head on the griddle made the job pretty easy.

Man, I'm jealous of your CAD work.  I went to school for Mechanical Engineering, but transitioned to software/web development many many years ago.  I never really got a chance to do any serious modeling work. 
Although, I am planning on taking a night welding course this fall.


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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2013, 12:53:44 PM »
Thanks for the compliments on the CAD work!

I did get all but one exhaust bolt out, I broke the first on and that's why I went to get the right tool instead of rushing.

The swingarm will be made of steel, due to my fabrication skills and the fact that I want to trust it. I have made lots of aluminum stuff, but when my ass is riding on it I want it to be steel.

Got some suspension work done today (finally), it's the front end!

One more operation on the lathe and i'll be done, ran out of time before class though :( Monday I guess.

This is how you remove the stem from your CB750 lower triple...



You get out your grinder, and take a little at a time till the grease starts to seep through, revealing the edge. I would suggest a flap-disc for this, but I did it with a cut-off wheel (all careful like). A little tapping with a BFH and it slid out easy.

Don't be too scared cause if you eff up or change your mind just replace it and re-weld it. I wouldn't recommend doing this too many times...



Showing how much was ground off



I bored a sleeve to fit over the stem, which will extend it and act as the stop at the bottom, while increasing the diameter to fit in the kawi lower triple



then i centre drilled three holes and welded them in place. This way i can drill it out later, and any weld can be machined off. The other advantage to this is that the lower race will be machined relative to the shaft, thus very straight despite any fitment issues prior/post weld. It was a slip-press fit as is, but insurance is nice.



The top triple was ***VERY CAREFULLY*** setup in the mill, indexed with a dial indicator, then bored with an indexing head. This took a long time, but it's not something you want to mess up.

If the alignment of the hole is out a .001" at the top, it would be about .004-.005 at the bottom, which is a pretty significant amount.

If out fore-aft it may have a little influence on rake = NBD

If out right-left then there will be issues with axle alignment, brake fitment, shocks lining up...

I spent 15min with the dial indicator making sure it was out less than 1/4 thou



Finally what's left, this needs to be turned down to fit in the kawi lower, and a shoulder will be placed so that when it inserts from the bottom all the bearing preload will be applied against it. The kawasaki part is aluminum press fit with a steel ring/clip thing at the bottom, this should work equally well, if not better.



Here's my on the fly sketches of what's going on.



It's important to note that no matter how good you/your tools are you should always do the final pass by fitment.

Everything in this arrangement is slide->press fit so you're dealing with tolerances of +/- .0005 or less. Always heck before you make your last cut and don't trust your measuring tools for final fitment. My $.02

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2013, 10:14:36 AM »
did a mockup, still need to turn the OD for the lower, but it gives me an idea of where it's headed...

...photobucket appears to be down, eff it, flickr time.
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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2013, 11:10:12 AM »
nice work! Little sketched out about the grinding though. I just used a BFH and a BF SCrew Driver.
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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2013, 11:14:43 AM »
you just hammered out the welded stem? i am confused... Pretty sure the 550 stems are also welded to the lower triples. Or are you talking about the race removal?
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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2013, 11:34:39 AM »
Swingarm final... 1020 mild steel .12 2*1 Tube, 795lb/in spring should match a pair of 120lb/in springs at the back







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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2013, 11:47:03 AM »
you just hammered out the welded stem? i am confused... Pretty sure the 550 stems are also welded to the lower triples. Or are you talking about the race removal?

yup! My bad, I had just woken up when I read that. I misunderstood.
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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #63 on: March 20, 2013, 11:04:35 AM »
Picked up swingarm material today, hopefully will have time tomorrow and friday to make it, then do the frame stuff on the weekend... Hopefully...

In other news the front end is mounted! Just need to figure out the wheel thing.

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2013, 01:11:40 PM »
Everything looks great from my point of view, especially the front !

Interesting to see how the swing ends up.
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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Front End Assembled)
« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2013, 02:16:50 PM »
Pic of the front end assembled.




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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #66 on: March 20, 2013, 04:35:48 PM »
Hay man. Make a floating disk adaptor and a front front caliper to fit modern brakes on a stock front end. I'll love ya, and with that you can make money to throw at this Proj. Just saying
Yep, i have issues with this sort of stuff.

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2013, 04:55:29 AM »
That is the ticket eh. I would love to, but making brake parts for other people has this whole other level of liability associated. The brakes I'm running from the zx6 are six piston. So floating piston, fixed caliper/rotor. This setup cannot be run on the cb because the caliper is so wide it would interfere with the wheel. You already have q dual disk setup? Does that not provide enough braking force?

If I had a suitable set of modern brakes to work from I would make you the adaptors. But for now I can't. Gimme a shout in mid May and I'll let you know if I have time/money/machine shop to do so then.
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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2013, 07:01:53 AM »
My set up works ok for track and street. Just hate the heavy CB rotors.
I'm back to a single front to cut down the lbs.
I just want another option.
I did the GSXR frontend  /  CBR F1 swingarm and wheels brakes back in the 90's. Strange enough, I like the stock cb front end for this frame. BUT, I hate the brakes.

If this is ever something your up for let me know. I have a load of calipers and rotors that could work.
Good luck on your build.
Trust me I hear you on the liability. I take full responsibility, and I would run it through my own test before I would go hard on it.
Yep, i have issues with this sort of stuff.

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #69 on: March 21, 2013, 07:34:42 AM »
Yeah I often surmised that a modern 2-3 piston caliper and a modern big rotor you could easily get away with a single side setup

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #70 on: March 21, 2013, 08:11:13 AM »
Yeah I often surmised that a modern 2-3 piston caliper and a modern big rotor you could easily get away with a single side setup

Ya man easy, the only draw back I found is braking in the corner. If you disk is on the right and your in sweeping left corner braking will pull you back up the the right a little. My solution is to not use the front brake.
Yep, i have issues with this sort of stuff.

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #71 on: March 21, 2013, 09:07:32 AM »
Brake straight hard, trail brake on entry, down-shift, drift around everyone.

That's what I learned reading Tony Foale's case studies

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #72 on: March 21, 2013, 10:25:17 AM »
Btw if anyone wants to part with a piston kit cheap, I'm in the market, and very poor... Till summer...

.05, 823, 836 don't care, just need some new pumps. I can't make them like I make everything else... Unfortunately

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Updated Front End Work)
« Reply #73 on: March 21, 2013, 03:24:23 PM »
If you don't up the motor, balance it. That will give you a nice output.
Yep, i have issues with this sort of stuff.

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Re: CB750k7 Project: Operation Street Fighter (Piston Fit Questions)
« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2013, 08:57:09 AM »
So about the bores/Pistons

I've spent a bit of time today looking at the issues there. But my calipers refuse to read any measurements over 61mm...

That is to say that measuring every bore top and bottom, and in two directions yields a maximum of 60.96mm. Now maybe the 77-78 pistons were undersized? Not sure why, but they were from a different mold than the early pistons due to the dome. Now my other problem is that the pistons are significantly tapered at the top.

They measure :
60.45 at the top
60.55 at the next ring
60.95 below on the skirt.

as seen in video

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