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1977 CB550F Restoration
« on: December 25, 2013, 11:07:22 AM »
Hi Guys,

So I am off on the next project, a ’77 550F.  I have pretty much finished up the CB450, all that is left is some final tuning on the Mikuni VM’s and I have to shape the front fender and then send it and already chopped rear out for fresh chrome.
So, off to start the project.
About 6 years ago, I bought the bike locally somewhere near Hyde Park, NY.  The bike was filthy and unused with a nice big split in the original seat cover.  It has some Ape Hanger-esque bar on it which of course will go.  As nasty as the bike was, the tank was clean, the Candy Sword Blue bodywork was straight and after cleaning it up, the paint and decals were in OK condition – actually pretty darn good.  I am still deciding whether to leave the paint alone or not…
That said, the bike has not run since ’95, and the carbs are solid with fuel mud.  My goal is to restore her back to showroom condition with some modern safety and operating upgrades.
For reference, here is what I want to end up with – if this is your bike, I apologize, I found it on the web:




 
I was able to get her to kick over a bit and run with some throttle, but the carbs were puking fuel through the overflows.  Of course, due to the mud in the carbs, the floats were frozen in the open position.  So it was off with the bank of carburetors to see how bad they were.  After wrestling them off, I could see that the carb boots front and back were rock hard and the #1 was split.
The carbs were ugly.  I have seen some ugly carbs on here, and I can promise you these were every bit as ugly as anything seen on this site before.  There was no way to even attempt to take anything apart, so, off to soak individually in some hot Simple Green and water.  Not surprisingly, the heated solution did wonders to clean out the gunk of each carb.
After getting all four cleaned out, I proceeded to disassemble them.  Everything came out great in the end, but the jet towers and float pin towers were showing corrosion.  In fact, getting the float pins out was a nightmare.  I had to carefully knock them out with a punch and hammer….  Being extremely careful not to deform or even worse break the towers.  Fortunately, I was successful.  Unfortunately, my #2 Carb body was fully corroded at the emulsion tower.  So much so, that the o-ring on was fully exposed on the press in jet.  This carb, if I used it would always run rich, and it would be impossible to properly tune it.  The body would either need to be repaired – I don’t know if this is even possible – or replaced.  I looked around the usual sources for a replacement 069A #2 body, but came up with nothing.  Fortunately, after some looking through this incredible site, I came across info from incomparable Two Tired and the excellent service of Harrisuluv.  James is sending me a nice 627B body, which is identical to the 069A.  Because I am going to switch out all the internals, it will work.
Let’s go back to the disassembly of the Carb rack.  I want these carbs to look even better than factory fresh, so, I am going to polish everything I can.
There is a lot of oxidation on the pieces and it is really stubborn.  In my cleaning process, I will be using a mixture of Ultrasonic, Soda Blasting and Vibratory tumbling.
As I know everyone likes pictures, here you go.  I meant to take better pics of everything I mentioned above, and thought I did, but I cannot find the before pics of the carbs before I took them off the bike, and even the pics of the bike while it was still together.
Anyway…  here we go.  The pics are really a guide for me to reassemble the carburetor linkages after cleaning the individual components.  I built the CB450 before this bike, as the 4 Cylinder intimidated me – especially the carburetor system…


The Manifold Side of the bank, showing the fuel inlet tube.


Main Spring attachment point


Synchronization Linkage


Synch Linkage Assembly, the right side washers are down towards the Carb Bodies, working to the left








The Spring and Plunger Assembly that attached to the linkage arms
 

Here is the Connector that attaches the main linkage to the individual Slide Arm on the each Carburetor


Hopefully a better picture of how the above piece attaches.  Note the Rubber attachment that fits between the Connector and linkage arm and Slide Arm.


Here you can see the spring and plunger assembly that attaches to the Slide arm on the individual carburetors


Note the alignment of the rubber attachment pieces between the linkage arm and carburetor slide arm
Also, note the bolts with the lockwashers on top of the carburetor slide arms.  The next two pics will be close-ups of their assemblies:






Again, the manifold side for reference


A view from the top.  Note the two black lines in between Carb #2 and #3; these are vents, I am assuming, to atmosphere.


Looking from the Intake (airbox) side as to how the choke butterfly linkages attach to one another


The Fuel Inlet T-line


Coming Apart.  Note the fuel lines


The Carb Side Fuel inlet T-Junction.  Note the o-rings, these need to be replaced.


Dirty Carbs




Carb Slide Arm Attachment Assembly.  Remember to keep an eye on your felt washers!


Another view of the rubber attachments and their alignment.  Note, they are hanging on the main linkage, and the empty ends attach to the carb slide arms

So, here is where I thought I took pics, but apparently, I did not.  I proceeded to disassemble the carbs.  I used 4 large Tupperware Containers and four small ones – each one labeled one through four.  Each carb was taken apart, and put into its corresponding large container.  I could not get the jets, floats, needles, etc. until the fuel mud was out of each carb, so the smaller containers were labeled and set aside for later.  Each carb had it bowl removed, and then soaked in the SG/Water mix until the goop was dissolved out of it.  Each carb got a fresh mixture.  It was not enough to get the smaller pieces out, so I put the entire body into my Ultrasonic Cleaner.  I use water with a mix of Citrus Ajax Dish soap and Lemon Ammonia.  I let the ultrasonic action go for about 20 minutes to degas the water.  Once I see ripples at the surface, I know I am good to go.  I let the action work on the carbs for a good long while, first on 40 KHZ and then at 20 KHZ.  It worked alright, the passages were very clean, but the bodies were still dirty, and showing corrosion.  Also, the aluminum was darkened.  I knew after soda blasting them, they would look better, but that comes later.  As I mentioned above, I was then able to disassemble the jets, emulsion tubes and floats.

I then put the innards in the ultrasonic, keeping each carb’s internals separate.  Here is where the Ultrasonic really shined.  Everything came out shiny and clear of fuel gunk.


The Ultrasonic working on the carb innards, each strainer holds the parts from a single carb
So now I went to work on the Float Bowls, Carb top caps and other items.  I put the bowls and caps into my vibratory tumbler using medium grade walnut shells with a couple of generous dollops of “Blue Magic Metal Polish”.  At that point, I had to go back to NYC, and forgot that I had left the tumbler on.  OOOOPS!
Well, five days later, the result was astonishing….  They came out gorgeous.  So I then left the other pairs in for a bunch of days.  Same results.




The Pics do not do these pieces justice.  They look like I polished them on my buffer!

I then decided to take my shot #2 Body and see what would happen if I used the same process, but with fine grade walnut shell and metal polish.  Well, it will work, but my Tumbler Bowl was too small, or I did not have enough media inside.  The carb vibrated a hole in the bowl.


You can see where it is starting to glow like polished aluminum.  I have a plan, but I am waiting for Harbor Freight’s 18lb Tumbler and Ceramic Polishing media.  I think with the media and liquid it will be gentle enough to get a beautiful sheen on the carb bodies without having to worry about chasing the walnut shells out of the passages – although that is super easy with my air gun and brake cleaner.

I will update in a bit.

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2013, 02:10:44 PM »
G'day dagersh.

The carbs are looking fantastic, nice job.

Keep taking heaps of pictures, I'll be watching the progress.

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2013, 07:30:28 AM »
Hey,
You forgot to include the RC-51 in your signature!
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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2013, 08:43:07 AM »
Hey,
You forgot to include the RC-51 in your signature!

Yeah, I just picked that beauty up.  Almost stock, save Yoshi Carbon Pipes and Powermapping.





I was able to take her out for a quick ride...  what a bike!

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


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1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2013, 12:52:01 PM »
The ultra sonic cleaner works great......subscribed. 

The F is my fav 550, was my first SOHC. 
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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2013, 01:04:36 PM »
The ultra sonic cleaner works great......subscribed. 

The F is my fav 550, was my first SOHC. 

Steve-O

I think its great for the internals, but I cannot figure out how to get it to really clean surfaces as well as a tumbler or Soda Blaster.  I reading about a gent who works on old British bikes and has amazing results on cases and covers. 

I will continue to mess around with it and see what I can achieve.  For now though, I have enough carbs to deal with on other bikes to justify having an 8 Gallon one.

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2013, 02:54:26 PM »
Hey,
You forgot to include the RC-51 in your signature!

Yeah, I just picked that beauty up.  Almost stock, save Yoshi Carbon Pipes and Powermapping.





I was able to take her out for a quick ride...  what a bike!

Gersh

Gersh,

Nice looking RC.  I love mine.  Here's a picture of it when I bought it a few years back.  It now has Leo Vince pipes and an Ohlins shock.

1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2013, 09:36:55 PM »
Yummy!
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2013, 08:04:53 AM »
So, no real update yet, but I wanted to document where I am starting from.
That said, I have already washed the tank and side covers of the dirt and dust.  As always, she looks fantastic from 10 feet away, but on closer inspection, she will need to be repainted, as there are chips that are rusted peeking through the paint.  The side covers can probably be polished out, but I have a full set of decals, and if I am painting the tank, I might as well paint the covers as well…  Although, they would be nice for someone’s rider.
Anyway, on with the pics:






Rust pitting


Some of that is pitting, some is reflection.  I also don’t like the chrome gas cover.


Side Cover






Engine looks much better here than it is…


These bars have to go


Badges are in great shape


More pitting…




And more…

So, I am waiting for my replacement carb body, at which time I will reassemble everything and see if I can get the bike to run.  Once I do that, I will disassemble the carbs and polish the bodies with the larger Tumbler I have coming,  I will then reassemble the carbs, spray copious amount of WD-40 through the passages and then dry it with my blow gun so that the carbs will remain protected until the build is complete.
Hopefully, that won’t be 5 years hence….   :-[

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2013, 08:33:55 AM »
Even still, that's a great place to start from for a restoration.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2013, 11:45:59 AM »
Definitely - its all there, which is why I bought the bike.

Anyone have a go to for how to pull the Carburetor Main Plate apart?  I cannot get the bolts that are holding the Throttle Linkage on, and I don;t want to force anything.

The main bar that holds everything is corroded and I would like to go after it...


Thanks!

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2013, 12:41:09 PM »
Those RC51's are just ridiculous bikes. And I mean that as a compliment. Such a distinct sound. When I'm able to finally ride my 500 that I'm working on, I'm hoping that motorcycles won't scare me (this is my first one) and maybe I can also eventually get something more modern.
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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2013, 01:53:00 PM »
Thanks Riv,

The Yoshi Pipes on that bike make it sound SICK!!!! 

I am subscribed to your awesome project.  The 550's are exquisite machines to ride.  They do everything well whether you want to ring it out or do some touring.

I have '75 F that I ride pretty regularly.  I love it.

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2013, 05:09:37 PM »
Doh!  I hit my first delay....

harisuluv was supplied me with a beautiful replacement carb body for my #2 Body...  however, I needed my #3 replaced.  So glad I can count! 

The good news is that the other carbs are coming together well, and harisuluv is looking to see if I can rectify my brain dead state...

In the meantime, maybe I will just use my corroded carb to see if I can get her to run, warm up the oil and then drain it and re-disassemble everything.

At that point I can start my full on disassembly in earnest.

Ah, the joys of learning lessons...

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2013, 06:26:36 PM »
I have a carb rack good for parts if Haris cant help you.
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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2013, 06:47:59 PM »
I wanted one so bad I've built one from parts bought on ebay. It isn't 100% supersport yet - I have bought aftermarket 550F supersport sidecovers and decals but have so far been unable to find a good supersport seat or fuel tank(the larger 550 tank seems prone to rusting out and supersport seats rarely come up on ebay).
« Last Edit: December 29, 2013, 11:41:42 PM by jonda500 »
Remember that an ignoramus is only someone who doesn't know something you just learned yesterday!

A starter clutch thread:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,122084.0.html
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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2013, 10:53:27 PM »
Jones,

Cool!  Just find any strap and you are golden!

Steve-O. I might take you up on that.

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2013, 11:39:45 PM »
@stev-o - yes but the seat's timing has to coincide with me having enough funds and wont work without the bigger tank to fit with - in the end I got frustrated & impatient and couldn't resist the older seat and tank which came up on ebay for $30 and $90!
   I'll be keeping a close watch on this thread - I have 3 hondas all with carb probs (and various other issues), this supersport built from parts has a carburettorkeith ebay carb and I also have a set of harisuluv restored carbs which run way too rich to use currently.
Remember that an ignoramus is only someone who doesn't know something you just learned yesterday!

A starter clutch thread:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,122084.0.html
1972 CB500K1 original 4 owner bike
1972 CB500K1 returned to complete/original condition
1975 CB550F built from parts - project thread:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,149161.msg1711626.html#msg1711626
197? CB500/550 constructing from left over parts
1998 KTM 380 (two stroke) recent impulse buy, mmmm...

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2014, 01:24:59 PM »
Happy New Year my fellow Honda Freaks!
Alright,
Lots of work during the long holiday!  I definitely have a good runner – well, not yet, but she will be…
After giving the carbs a thorough cleaning, I reassembled them and reinstalled them to see if I could get the engine started.  I was able to get her to catch before this, but she would not stay running.
Sorry for the long video – I have no idea how to edit them…
But here ya’ go:


As you can see, one of the carbs is overflowing, I think its #3, as it is in pretty well ruined condition due to corrosion.
Fortunately, Harisuluv is sending me a replacement #3 069A so that should be just fine.  This is easily the first time in many years that this bike was started as evidenced by the blowout from the exhaust.  So, time to tear her down for a complete overhaul both mechanically and cosmetically.
When I was building my CB450 project I did not take enough pictures, so I am going to be really anal about taking reference pictures on this build. 
After removing the carbs and re-tearing them down into their components, I then removed the airbox.  I stripped the grungy paint on the metal cover to be powdercoated later on.  The rubber parts and seals are in surprisingly good shape, as are the metal elements inside the box.  I cleaned up everything and put them off on the side.


Here is the airbox before cleaning up.


Here is the cylinder head cover and breather cover.  You can see how nice the carb clean up came out, the Brass looks great!




I then removed the intake manifolds.  I glass beaded them and then set them in a vibratory tumbler with medium walnut shell and a few globs of Blue Magic Metal Polish (the blue stuff).  I left them in for about 24 hours, they came out great.  I will post the after pictures next week as I guess I forgot to take pictures of them….  OOOOPS!


Here is the breather cover which I then glass bead blasted, and tumbled the hardware first in rust and crud busting ceramic pyramids and then in walnut shells. 


Sorry that the picture sucks.  When I did the hardware, this time I used Happich’s Simichrome in the walnut shells.  HOLY COW, they look like they were chromed!  I will take some better pics of how great they came out.




I then pulled the Cylinder Head.  Fortunately, everything is clean; the rockers are in great shape.  I am going to have to pull the rockers and shafts as I glass beaded everything, even though I was careful not to hit the rockers and undersurfaces.  Also, I want to either powdercoat or Hydroblast the outside of the cover.


Here is the cover after glass bead, and where the tappet covers, cylinder sidecovers and hardware have all been tumbled with the walnut and Simichrome paste.

So, here is a question…  Oiling for the Rockers, Shafts and arms – does the oil just get flung around by the Cam Shafts?  I see in the Cylinder Head, that the oil is pooled under where the Cam shaft sits, and I don’t see any kind of oiling passages in the cover.  I have seen the diagram of the oiling system in the factory manual, and it just shows “drops” looking like they are flung about by the rotation of the Cam shaft.  I am assuming that the lobes are picking up oil and then flinging it about inside the cover, hopefully soaking everything in oily goodness.  I really just want to make sure I understand what needs to happen…
You can kind of see the pooling oil under the cam shaft here:


Another question…  how far down can I take the engine while it is still in the frame?  Can I remove the Cylinders at least?

So here she sits, waiting for me to get back to her…

Hopefully more after the weekend!
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1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2014, 01:43:18 PM »
You're off to a great start!

Could you show some pictures of your tumbling set up? I'm pretty interested.

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2014, 02:01:58 PM »
Iron,

I am using Harbor Freight units - the smaller 5lb ones.





I have one set up with their "Rust Cutting Pyramids"





and another with "Dri-Shine" Media from Eastwood.




I thought it was walnut shells - but its a bit different.

I find the Harbor Freight units to be really robust, and they don't walk when on, so you don't really have to worry when you want to use them overnight.  I would say that I have easily made up their costs in saved hardware that was put into better than new condition.

With the Dri-Shine media I put in a gob of any kind of paste metal polish - Blue Magic, Mothers, and especially Happich's Simichrome



I have used this on all different parts, and I am thinking about building a really big unit for doing Engine Side covers and maybe even cases....

I am going to try a different method without small media on a spare corroded carburetor body to see if I can get good results without any clogging of the fuel passages.  Hopefully I will be able to update after the weekend.

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2014, 02:07:47 PM »
Shoot - I should have added that I don't work for any of these companies, these are just what I use.

Also, make sure the bowls are 3/4 filled with media, and use your judgment on how many parts to put in at the same time.  I don't really have a formula, I just go by gut.  Obviously if a part looks too big for the bowl, it most likely is.  You want the part to move around in the media pretty freely.

Gersh
1962 CA95
1966 Black Bomber
1966 CA77 Dream
1967 Superhawk
1970 CB750K0
1972 CL350
1972 CB450/500 Custom
1972 CB500K1
1975 CB550F
1976 CB400F
1975 CB750 Future Restoration
1976 CB750K6
1976 CB750F
1976 GL1000


1968 Suzuki T500 Cobra
1990 BMW K1
2001 'Busa
2003 RC 51
Bunch of Guzzi's

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2014, 07:04:18 AM »
Thanks! I appreciate the info.

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Re: 1977 CB550F Restoration
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2014, 02:32:53 PM »
How did I miss all this fun?

To busy playing with twins I suppose (not as fun as it sounds).

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