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« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2014, 03:49:27 AM »
Could also be why you've gone soft now, Dave? Or has it allowed to you lift twice as many since you no longer have to heave up the heavy old cans... ???

I haven't gone soft now you poor excuse for lost sperm?i gave up crushing steel cans on my forehead terry when they started coming out the other side!

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« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2014, 04:57:51 AM »
Come on boys, play nice.... ;D ;)
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« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2014, 05:24:07 AM »
you spelled side wrong!you dolt!ha!#$%*en arm wrestle you boy!

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« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2014, 05:29:47 AM »
hey your cool calj737 ill buy you one!

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« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2014, 07:53:51 AM »
its why steel beer cans got phased out for aluminium ones,all us aussies got"beer can elbow"from repeditive lifting of the heavier cans!

I never 'hoisted' a steel one but I imagine they'd make a better 'ring' sound when they finally hit pavement.
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« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2014, 03:19:26 PM »
Is there a place other than Buchanan if i want gold rims ....and may be cheaper...why not! :-)

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« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2014, 05:48:39 PM »
Buchanan's are good but I would also like to know if there are other rim or spoke places to purchase from.
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« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2014, 06:01:51 PM »
Could also be why you've gone soft now, Dave? Or has it allowed to you lift twice as many since you no longer have to heave up the heavy old cans... ???

I haven't gone soft now you poor excuse for lost sperm?i gave up crushing steel cans on my forehead terry when they started coming out the other side!

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« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2014, 06:03:24 PM »
I'm gonna lace my own - worked in bicycle shops for 20 years.
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« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2014, 10:33:59 PM »
Buchanan's are good but I would also like to know if there are other rim or spoke places to purchase from.

I explored this a few years ago. After several successful wheel episodes using Bucky's I went off looking for someplace less expensive. I googled everything I could think of. Found a place in NJ that had a similar selection, slightly less $$. Ordered a rim and spokes. It came a few weeks later than expected. The return address on the box was...Bucky's in CA!  The spokes came in a bag, seperate shipment, with an insert, instructions, on Bucky's letterhead. So I figured I got it from Bucky's, with poorer service.

A followup call a few months later indicated the NJ outfit was out of business.

I found one other place, full service, in N CA. They catered to dirt bikes but said they could do my stuff also. But by then I didn't need them.

So, google away, and let us know what you find.   :D

I think they've got the market tied up. You'll find a better deal here and there for this or that. But for full service, full product line, I think they are it.
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« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2014, 11:28:45 PM »
I've just placed an order yesterday for a set of F&R S/S from Buchanans.
It's the way to go I reckon because they've been around since JC played full back for Jerusalem.

The other reason is that somewhere here is a new set of OEM spokes that seemed to have dissapeared right off of the planet.
As it always goes, buy another set and the other ones will show up.
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« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2014, 06:47:13 AM »
Buchanan's are good but I would also like to know if there are other rim or spoke places to purchase from.

I explored this a few years ago. After several successful wheel episodes using Bucky's I went off looking for someplace less expensive. I googled everything I could think of. Found a place in NJ that had a similar selection, slightly less $$. Ordered a rim and spokes. It came a few weeks later than expected. The return address on the box was...Bucky's in CA!  The spokes came in a bag, seperate shipment, with an insert, instructions, on Bucky's letterhead. So I figured I got it from Bucky's, with poorer service.

A followup call a few months later indicated the NJ outfit was out of business.

I found one other place, full service, in N CA. They catered to dirt bikes but said they could do my stuff also. But by then I didn't need them.

So, google away, and let us know what you find.   :D

I think they've got the market tied up. You'll find a better deal here and there for this or that. But for full service, full product line, I think they are it.

I know shipping could be expensive,depending on the company but I imagine there are quality spoke makers in Europe who're established and we just don't know about them yet.
I ordered two sets of SS double butted bicycle spokes off of Ebay a couple years back from a spoke company (in Belgium I think) named Sapim;they've been solid stuff.I wonder if they make larger spokes also? if they do,I'll see if they have a low cost option like USPS over there.
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« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2014, 07:05:17 AM »
Buchanan's are good but I would also like to know if there are other rim or spoke places to purchase from.

Try calling either KSR wheels or Dubya USA. You can also check with TCR (wheellacing.com), though their website appears to be under construction.
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« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2014, 07:51:54 AM »
Buchanan's are good but I would also like to know if there are other rim or spoke places to purchase from.

Try calling either KSR wheels or Dubya USA. You can also check with TCR (wheellacing.com), though their website appears to be under construction.

See #67 above. TCR was the place I had found in N CA years ago. Could be nice people, but not near the depth of services and inventory of Bucky's.
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« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2014, 08:11:06 AM »
Buchanan's are good but I would also like to know if there are other rim or spoke places to purchase from.

Try calling either KSR wheels or Dubya USA. You can also check with TCR (wheellacing.com), though their website appears to be under construction.

See #67 above. TCR was the place I had found in N CA years ago. Could be nice people, but not near the depth of services and inventory of Bucky's.

Sorry, I didn't know who you were talking about in CA. There are many wheel shops around (TCR, KSR, Dubya, Pro Wheel, RAD Manufacturing, DNA, etc). I was merely giving more places to look at when it comes to buying rims and wheel parts.

If you are just looking for rims, Dubya may be a good option. They used to be White brothers, and for a while were the only US importer for Excel and Talon. It seems in recent years Excel has begun to deal directly with other US dealers instead of making them all go through one importer like in years past. Still worth a call to see what they have to offer.

There are plenty of places to get wheel parts from. I have built over 30 sets of wheels in the last 10 years for many different bikes (motocross, Harleys, XS650's, and CB750's) and I have only dealt with Buchanon one time.
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« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2014, 08:35:33 AM »
Oh, no apology necessary. I just was surprised someone came up with the name. I probably have it bookmarked but couldn't remember the name.

They had a different website at the time, indicating more services and parts. Would've liked to use them had I not already sealed my deal.   ;D
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« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2014, 07:01:39 AM »
Bump.

I picked up another CB550 as a project, actually bought 3 of them as a package deal. Started the wheel research/shopping but quickly came to a stump. I REALLY like the wheels Carpy posted on his FB page on the brown CB550 he's building, I believe they are 18" DID chrome rims, stainless spokes with polished hubs. I'd more than likely go 18" as well front and back but want aluminum. Brand doesn't matter too much to me as long as they work and won't fall apart, haha. I'm going for that meaty 4.50 tire look as well.

Any suggestions on where I can get some? Sizing as far as width and any other wheel specific specs? I may swap the front end to a sport bike setup down the road so that should be considered as well. Thanks!
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« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2014, 07:04:04 AM »
I'm selling a brand new 18" aluminum rear.
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« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2014, 09:30:31 AM »
I  believe if you search through the HiPo section you will find that most racing applications use the 18,18 combo, but then you need to modify the triple or fork length to get the geometry correct. If you want a bike that handle like stock then go stock sizes.
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« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2014, 01:12:53 PM »
The rear rim on the K3 has had a flat spot since I bought it.
Plus it looks ratty - the PO gnarfed it good with tire irons.

So, I've been thinking about replacing it w/ an aluminum rim (because alu is lighter).
I assume aluminum isn't as strong as steel - but my rim is at least 41 years old so maybe modern alloys are better?
I know guys here build wheels with alloy rims but I can't find any discussion of the pros/cons
Any advice?

The CB750A had high quality aluminum rims.
Each wheel will be 6lbs. lighter.

The older rims would be the ones I would prefer.

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« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2014, 04:29:31 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2014, 04:32:17 PM »
I will put my rim on a scale... weight report coming
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« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2014, 04:33:58 PM »
I will put my rim on a scale... weight report coming
My guess: steel = 5lbs. Aluminum = 3.5

Let us know.
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« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2014, 01:37:58 AM »
I  believe if you search through the HiPo section you will find that most racing applications use the 18,18 combo, but then you need to modify the triple or fork length to get the geometry correct. If you want a bike that handle like stock then go stock sizes.

Yep, here's a pic of my gold K2 which was built by Ken Piper, an old race bike builder and mechanical engineering lecturer at the Australian Defence Force Academy. It's fitted with 18 inch wheels front and rear, and was (I sold it a couple of years ago) the best handling CB750 I've ever ridden. (and I've ridden a lot)

Back in the day, the accepted wisdom was that same size rims were the best option for racing, but that might have just been to "quicken" the steering, I really don't remember.

There are lots of really good 17 inch wheels out there, and because of their availability they're really cheap too, but there's a problem with using them. Our engines are really wide compared to modern engines (BMW's new 6 cylinder engine is narrower than a CB750 engine) and by lowering our bikes with 17 inch wheels (and modern forks) it reduces the ground clearance and lean angles significantly.

That's handy if you're building a minimalist custom "bar crawler", as you won't need a sidestand, you can just lean it on your alternator cover, but not so good if you wanna go around corners. Cheers, Terry. ;D       

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« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2014, 03:39:09 PM »
^^^^^  thats almost the perfect 750 Honda, you should have kept that one....
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