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CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« on: September 20, 2014, 08:39:35 pm »
I guess it's time to start a 'build' thread since I've started the tear-down... First, a bit of an introduction.

My Dad just gave me his 1976 CB750K. We bought it for him 20 years ago as a retirement present, so it's been in the family for a while, but he's done with it. Now it's my turn! It's got 25,400 miles on the clock and is in fairly good nick. It even has the owner's manual in the pocket under the seat. That was a nice find! Anyway, he hasn't insured it since 2006 (he rides his Jazz scooter while Mom rides on her Yamaha QT50), so it has sat in their garage for a while, taking up space and collecting dust. It ran well when it was parked, but the tank and carbs weren't drained. #2 carb slide is frozen now... :'( The things are meant to be ridden! ;D

So here it is before tear-down:


The fairing and cargo box have to go(!), you can see it's got non-stock pipes (unbaffled), and there are a few nicks in the paint, but otherwise it's not a bad looker.

So what I want to build is a CB750K 'Sport Tourer'. "I see it as a kind of genetic cross between a café racer and a full-blown touring machine, with the glaring disadvantages of both types removed. What you want, essentially, is a café racer that doesn't hurt your wrists and a touring bike that doesn't feel like a tank ... The whole comfortable café racer concept" (Peter Egan, "A Concise History of Sport-Touring Motorcycles"; http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/01/23/sport-touring-motorcycles-a-concise-history-by-peter-egan/). Interestingly, the lead illustration for the article has a CB750 in it, so I figure I'm not too far off track with what I can expect of the old girl. ;-)

I had ridden it a fair bit before it sat. The longest ride was from northern BC (Fort St. John, for those of you from around here ;-)), to the south Okanagan. It felt like a wet noodle in the twisties... And going through BC's mountains, there are a lot of twisties! I live in the north Okanagan now, just minutes away from the Rockies, so a large part of my motivation to 'build' this bike is to update the suspension. My other (street) bikes--a Suzuki GSX600F (Katana) and SV650S--have been 'sportier', and I'd like to get the Honda performing a bit better on that front. My Clymer manual (with "Hop-up Secrets from R.C. Engineering"!) has this to say about the suspension: "Suspension modifications are especially important on the Honda 750. The suspension, when new, is adequate under normal, mild riding conditions. If you're building more power into the bike, you'll probably ride it harder than the 'mild riding conditions' that Honda intended. Not only is the 750's stock suspension inadequate for hard riding conditions, but it also wears out very rapidly. Any 750 with more than 10,000 miles will need a suspension rebuild, including replacement of rear shocks, swing arm bushings, and front fork springs" (p. 192). I heartily agree!

Here's my plan (or principles, or my 'when-I'm-tempted-to-go-nuts-come-back-and-read-this' manifesto):
- original paint and bolt-on mods ONLY (i.e., nothing that would prevent a return to 'stock' [just in case my kids want to undo what their crazy old man does!])
- update suspension: front--GSXR / CBR (Cognito Moto hub, triple, stem, bearings?); rear--canister shocks (Cognito Moto? [ :-\ at the $$$!])
- engine: inspect top-end, cam chain tensioner (replace plastic guide?), pistons / rings, oil pump, points
- carbs: clean & kit; pods or stacks (favouring stacks)
- headlight bucket: fix or replace (cracked...); change taillight & signals (something a bit tidier)
- seat: two-up, lower! (I'm only 5'6"...), but still enough foam to be comfortable for the long haul (a la SV650S?)

I'd love some input on the front end update. Have any of you gone with the Cognito Moto parts? They look fairly 'bolt-on' from the 'builds' I've read (I would consider the front hub a bolt-on item; a bit more work to lace the wheel, but still reversible). And what's the difference between GSXR and CBR parts? Is one preferred over the other?

I'd also love some input on a tidy, non-café rear end. I want a two-up seat, and I actually like the chrome fender, but I'm not a big fan of the bulbous stock tail light... Does anyone know of a tail light that would bolt into, or cover up the four mounting holes from the stock light? Kind of a tapered, flush-mount deal? I've been working my way through the Inspiration thread, but haven't had anything catch my eye just yet...

Well, that's where I'm starting. I'm excited to see where it goes. It's my winter project, so I hope to have it up and running by spring!

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« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 06:05:36 am by knottedknickers »
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2014, 11:19:02 pm »
I have two bikes in the works with modern front ends: a 750 with a CBR600RR front and a 550 with a GSXR600 front. IF you are contemplating Cognitomoto parts, there are hubs to use the modern rotors for both.  However, Devin has adjustable triple trees for the GSXR only (currently).  This will allow you to retain the stock offset.
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2014, 06:12:16 am »
Thanks, Cafe Racer Fan. That's helpful info.
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2014, 06:14:44 am »
As I mentioned, the tear-down is underway. Here's the current state:

My boys are asking, "How will you know how to put it all back together, Dad?" Good question! ::)
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2014, 07:16:48 am »
I'm in, looks like a great project.  Concerning the big taillight, the K1 will bolt right on and is much smaller. 
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2014, 08:10:41 am »
I haven't seen anything taillight wise to cover up the 4 holes.  A K1 lamp assy may fit on the bracket, but you said you want to get rid of the bracket.

A Lucas taillight style fits the curve of the fender, I've seen. But there is still the holes to deal with. YOu could run some chrome cap head bolts into the holes, maybe some buttonhead screws.
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2014, 09:41:47 am »
Thanks for clarifying what I'm after, MCRider. I want to ditch the whole stock tail light assembly: bracket, light, license plate holder--the whole sheebang. It just sits up too tall and looks too bulky... The cap head bolts idea is something I'll look into. Maybe even some rubber plugs.
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2014, 09:46:27 am »
Thanks for clarifying what I'm after, MCRider. I want to ditch the whole stock tail light assembly: bracket, light, license plate holder--the whole sheebang. It just sits up too tall and looks too bulky... The cap head bolts idea is something I'll look into. Maybe even some rubber plugs.
I took mine from a 4 bolt K2 to a 2 bolt K0 with the smaller light. I bot a NOS K0 fender back in 2000. It was pricey and probably NLA now.

The rubber plug idea is likely. Also there are chrome cap plugs availabel that would just push into the holes. Google it.
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2014, 09:53:16 am »
Good ideas. Thanks.

This is one taillight / tailend that caught my eye in the Inspiration thread:

I'm pretty sure that's not stock... And I think it looks quite nice. Better than the humpback whale on the back of the K6!
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2014, 09:56:40 am »
Not to take anything from GSXR front ends, but an easier upgrade to your bike might be a GL front end. Retains vintage look, dual discs, beefier forks. CB750Cafe has them on his 9 Lives Bike too. Could even upgrade them to cartridges for happy internals. Solves other issues like fork braces and fenders too.
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2014, 10:00:18 am »
Good ideas. Thanks.

This is one taillight / tailend that caught my eye in the Inspiration thread:

I'm pretty sure that's not stock...

Def not stock, nice clean look.  Now to find it....
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2014, 12:21:26 pm »
That's the Lucas style (British) light I mentioned. They are everywhere, Google it. All the cafe places sell them, after market parts houses. Easy.
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2014, 08:01:46 pm »
I have the same Lucas-style tail light on my 550. The housing covers the stock mounting holes.
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html)

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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2014, 07:18:12 am »
I have the same Lucas-style tail light on my 550. The housing covers the stock mounting holes.
Excuse my ignorance, but does the 550 have the same style tail light as the 750? 4 holes and all?
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2014, 07:40:39 am »
I have doe this mod on both models.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold

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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2014, 11:02:14 am »
Not to take anything from GSXR front ends, but an easier upgrade to your bike might be a GL front end. Retains vintage look, dual discs, beefier forks. CB750Cafe has them on his 9 Lives Bike too. Could even upgrade them to cartridges for happy internals. Solves other issues like fork braces and fenders too.
I've read that the GL forks are a lot longer then stock CB750 forks (see http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.msg1574368#msg1574368)... I think the GSXR's are pretty close to the same (for rake / trail, with CognitoMoto triple tree parts)? Anyway, I really like to look of the updated forks--gives things an "I mean business" look. :-)
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2014, 11:03:18 am »
I have done this mod on both models.
Cool. Thanks for the info.
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2014, 07:28:59 am »
More tear-down... Forks are knackered:


I had to beat them out with a wooden dowel, they were so stuck in the triples. And the bearings had a 'snap-to-centre' effect that was absolutely terrifying! So the front end upgrade is looking like a better option all the time! :-)
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2014, 07:39:33 am »
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2014, 08:25:58 am »
Those fork tubes are toast. Perfect time to swap the front.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold

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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2014, 09:18:20 am »
Those fork tubes are toast. Perfect time to swap the front.
I agree--the uppers are gone... But are the 'lowers' / sliders worth keeping?
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2014, 09:39:21 am »
Those fork tubes are toast. Perfect time to swap the front.
I agree--the uppers are gone... But are the 'lowers' / sliders worth keeping?

Definitely keep the lowers.  They are aluminum and can be polished, powdercoated or painted if you end up using them for this build or another (or you can sell them).  Keep the internal damper, too.  The springs are done.

The condition of your present forks makes them somewhat fungible.  If you were to use them, you'd have to buy new tubes and springs (and valve emulators if you wanted to go that route).  You may as well spend the same money with a GL1000 front (75-77 years).  If you go this route, I highly recommend that you search for and buy a COMPLETE front end (triple trees, forks, brake calipers/mounts, brake rotors, axle).  The only part you will not absolutely need is the wheel hub, but if you get one included take it.  The whole front end bolts straight on to your steering neck.  Make sure you replace the existing ball bearings with roller bearings (All Balls Racing).  The size is identical for the CB750.  You will need to use the GL triples because the GL fork tubes are slightly larger in diameter, and they are spaced slightly differently.  If you use the complete GL front you will have no problems with fitment -- it just bolts on.

NOTE: the GL fork tubes are about 1.75" longer than the CB750.  You can address this two different ways: (1) mount the fork tubes approximately 1.75" above the top triple or order new tubes 1.75" shorter than stock.  IF you do the second option, you will need to adjust your spring selection to the lowest spring rate/weight setting available OR your ride will be overly stiff.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold

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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2014, 10:02:21 am »
Hmmm... I just came here to ask a question and noticed that my first post is gone. Anyone know what could have happened? Any way a moderator could retrieve it from the ether?

Anyway, I'm putting together a list of things to order (carb kits, gas cap rubber seal, etc.) and wonder if anyone knows what those rubber boots that cover the carb sync nuts are called? And if they're still available anywhere? Mine are a bit tired...
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Re: CB750K 'Sport Tourer'
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2014, 05:41:36 am »
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2014, 09:43:16 am »
Thanks, Stev-o. partzilla--I'll have to bookmark that!
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