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Offline Mr Freeze

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Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« on: January 16, 2015, 02:51:57 PM »
Looking for some advice on a brighter H4 bulb for my CB750 headlight. Let me explain my bike.

- There is no start / run switch anymore as I have converted it to a 3 way key switch so the bike starts like a car.
- Solid state rectifier
- New Scorpion AGM battery
- The headlight bucket I'm using is a Bates style 5.75" one with an H4 55/60w bulb.

I find the light to be a bit lacking at night and want to use some type of brighter bulb. I want to know if you think I could jump up to a higher wattage H4 type or maybe go with a LED bulb that is really bright. Any thoughts would help.

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2015, 02:55:49 PM »
The headlamp assembly itself could suck. A cheap reflector doesn't focus and project the light the best way.

Check voltage at the beam. If it's not really close to 12v or higher you need to clean up connections. That will brighten for free/cheap
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2015, 02:56:05 PM »
There are motorcycle H4s out there, they are better than generic H4s.

LED, not sure if there is one to do Hi/Low in one bulb. 
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2015, 02:57:29 PM »
The headlamp assembly itself could suck. A cheap reflector doesn't focus and project the light the best way.

Check voltage at the beam. If it's not really close to 12v or higher you need to clean up connections. That will brighten for free/cheap

Dedicated wire for headlight switched by relay makes a difference.
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2015, 05:21:48 PM »
The headlamp assembly itself could suck. A cheap reflector doesn't focus and project the light the best way.

Check voltage at the beam. If it's not really close to 12v or higher you need to clean up connections. That will brighten for free/cheap

+1
just read an article about this recently in a vintage bike mag. Relay is the way to go to bypass all the little bit lost here in there along the way that add up on or 40 year old machines robbing us blind lol.

Dedicated wire for headlight switched by relay makes a difference.

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2015, 06:23:39 PM »
I was thinking of getting the H4 conversion, but not a crystal clear lens I was going to get the stock looking glass "refraction?" lens with the H4 hole. Then I was going to do some sort of LED bulb. Yes, they do make hi/lo but to me it isn't a concern. Btw, this whole idea of mine could very well suck for all I know, but I am going to do it eventually just to see how it works. There are soooooo many different h4 led bulbs...
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2015, 07:56:35 PM »
Like I said before, a quality reflector/housing is more important. Awesome bulb in a junk housing still sucks
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2015, 08:04:51 PM »
There are a number of good upgrade H4 automotive style bulbs that have much whiter and brighter bulb that improves both down the road projection and side to side projection.

I agree though that you need a really good reflector and if you have downsized your headlight size from the  stock 7" sizing then it will also play a part.
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2015, 11:39:32 PM »
This is the light I'm using from 4 into 1.



 I also forgot to mention that I reworked the wiring harness a long time ago so all the connections are good and I did away with my handlebar Hi/lo switch and have a Hi/Lo heavy duty toggle switch that I've installed in the bucket, so current isn't a concern. Power is running straight from the fuse block to the toggle switch. I haven't checked the voltage, but I will just to be sure. I've been running this setup for a while and it works fine. It seems though that the bulb that came with this bucket is just your standard run of the mill H4 and is more yellow than white.

I was looking for suggestions about a brand you guys have used.

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2015, 11:55:07 PM »
As far as H4 bulbs, Philips X treme Vision or Osram Nightbreaker Plus are first choice. They tested number one in various tests. Here's one such a test. Scroll down for test results.
https://autoverlichting.eu/algemene-informatie/74-test-halogeen-verlichting
Philips X treme Vision Moto is specially marketed for motorcycles.
If you want 20% less draw you can choose the Philips Ecovision.
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2015, 02:59:16 AM »
As far as H4 bulbs, Philips X treme Vision or Osram Nightbreaker Plus are first choice. They tested number one in various tests. Here's one such a test. Scroll down for test results.
https://autoverlichting.eu/algemene-informatie/74-test-halogeen-verlichting
Philips X treme Vision Moto is specially marketed for motorcycles.
If you want 20% less draw you can choose the Philips Ecovision.

+1 for Philips Moto Vision

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2015, 03:48:43 AM »
i have no experience with this one but it might be of interest:
http://cognitomoto.com/collections/lighting/products/h7-led

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2015, 05:56:27 AM »
I've been using the Moto Vision  in my 550 for several years now. I have had comments on the orange glow effect drawing attention from others on the road. I like them so much that I've just put 4 in my Gold Wing.
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2015, 07:05:00 AM »
Sounds like the Motovision is a good choice. I'm going to go get one today.

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2015, 08:56:54 AM »
Try LED H4. I have that in my CB750 and the light is very bright. I have not done any road test to verify the light pattern but it look good so far. Much brighter and whiter than my H4 halogen.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301375731172?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 See my photos below, just shot in the garage. I have not measured the amps yet to verify the low wattage of 30W

My reflector has parking light too, lit in parking mode and Hi beam. LED CREE type will help.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151356050976?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I have ordered LED bulbs for  rear/brake light too.

It will shine much brighter and help the charging system/alternator due to lower wattage

I have Philips Extreme Vision (and older  version called Extreme Power for HI)  in my car (H7 bulbs). This bulb is known to be among the best Halogen bulbs. BUT, they have low lifetime. Last changes 2014 after 20.000/25.000km. Philips std bulb last at least double or triple. Osram Night Breaker can have even lower lifetime according to colleagues.

I might replace my cars LO beam with much brighter xenon. Xenon kit from Netherlands to my car
https://www.retrofitlab.com/en/retroquick-projector-kits-1/audi-a4-b6-bi-xenon-mh1.html

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2015, 09:21:45 AM »
I skimmed your thread and didn't see the mention of using relays. Should be the first mod, IMO. On a stock set-up, the use of relays will brighten the light 30%, first hand experience. Same effect using any build, of any wattage.

HondaMan makes a plug and play 2 beam relay setup. As do many others, Google it. HMs setup is built to fit inside a 7" bucket, may not fit in yours. But it can be wired outside. Other's I've seen and used, put the relay near the battery and just run longer wires.

I have a 55W H4 with relays and I'll set the trees on fire.
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2015, 10:33:15 AM »
Hey MCRider, I don't have a stock setup. I've elimanated the handlebar switches on both sides and I've made it so that the headlight is a straight shot from the fusebox to a heavy duty toggle switch mounted in the bucket. I just started the bike and at idle I'm getting 13+ volts at the headlight socket and it rises from there with throttle blips.  So I'm convinced it's this bulb and I'm going to go get a Phillips Motovision H4 and see where that gets me.

Here's a couple pictures of the lens and reflector.

 
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2015, 02:34:05 PM »
Hey MCRider, I don't have a stock setup. I've elimanated the handlebar switches on both sides and I've made it so that the headlight is a straight shot from the fusebox to a heavy duty toggle switch mounted in the bucket. I just started the bike and at idle I'm getting 13+ volts at the headlight socket and it rises from there with throttle blips.  So I'm convinced it's this bulb and I'm going to go get a Phillips Motovision H4 and see where that gets me.

Here's a couple pictures of the lens and reflector.
I'm not smart enough to say if that's as effective as relays or not.
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2015, 05:08:42 PM »
As long as you have a decent quality switch and 16 gauge wiring min then it's just as good/better maybe.

Check voltage drop from battery to switch, across switch and battery to HL plug. That tells the truth
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2015, 08:44:30 AM »
I just ordered a Phillips X treme vision moto H4. Did not find anyplace to order in the USA. Had to order (Ebay) from Germany. Only about $6.00 shipping. Dan

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2015, 09:04:21 AM »
I picked a Phillips Motovision H4 at Pep Boys yesterday and did some riding last night. It was about 28 degrees out so my googles were fogging a little, but otherwise the light beam is much better.

Thanks for the recommendation guys!

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2015, 11:11:04 AM »
I have relays on my CB750.
I got the idea on this forum where the weak ign switch was discussed. I do not trust the handle bar switches with very bad connection either. Thin wires soldered direct to small flat contact points. 5A thru those? no thanks!

Handle bar switches have no higher wattage anymore when they control relays for Lo Beam, Hi Beam, Horn and Ignition. Plus a 5:th reversed relay switching off (open) front parking light when Lo beam is ON. The cheap general relays made for cars have become smaller. Easy to connect. I disconnected the Headlight wires inside Headlamp, let the wires switch on relays instead. New + wires routed from battery under tank to the relays. Ignition relay beside fuse box, feed coils and ignition module (Dyna or Hondaman that I use now) When ign switch power on the coils, it power on the relay only. From relay to coils (black/white where I opened the circuit, one wire back to relay mounted beside fuse box, 12V  AWG 15,4 wire back to black/white feeding coils). Thinner wire to ign module 12V 0.75mm2 (AWG 18,2)

Most of the bad Honda connectors are repalced with thicker insulated sockets/pins for the thicker wires.

The relays control 12V power direct from the battery, hanging fuse close to battery. Thicker wires AWG 15,4 (1,5mm2).
My dual snail horn did not work without relay and thicker wiring.

I'll update the ground wires (green cabling inside the Headlight) with thicker wiring direct from battery (-).
I have added ground wires from ign coils bracket to frame.

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Brake switches, front and rear get power from black wires (15A main power for the entire bike) If the wirings get a short to ground the bike will stop direct and headlight OFF!!! Safety Hazard! How do I know that?  I'm happy that I got my 2 stops close to home or friend. Bad plug insulation at rear switch at fot pedal, caused short cicuit.
I have not reconnected it yet, but it would be better if brown (5A) wire will feed these switches.  I can use the free end brown cable at front plus route a cable from under the seat to rear brake switch.

The std fuses are still there (found Autofuses 7A, 10A , 15A (no 5A) on eBay.de, diffcult to find 25x6,3mm fuses here) plus some other modern mini fuses for the new thicker cabling the relays control. Fuses ready to switch back to std if a relay fail. The smallest fuse will work otherwise.

The reversed relay controlling Parking light have an own small fuse hanging in the wire feeding the parking light. I had a T10 bulb with internal short to ground that made HI/LO not functional. Thats why switch of when LO to not interfere if that strange problem will happen again. Areally powerful CREE LED T10 bulb will not destroy LO beam light pattern either.

This sound complicated but is very easy. Everything added to the OEM, easy to remove if OEM style is needed. All connectors crimped on the wires will match.

The new LED H4 bulb forced the relays out of the headlamp.
I have to secure them better and less visible. Relays seated in holders where the wires are connected. This take more space but safer and easy to replace a relay. http://images.biltema.com/PAXToImageService.svc/product/large/2000017799
No flat connectors and single wires to each relay.

Finally: The strange thing here is that I used my bike during almost 80.000km's back in the days without realys. Last 30.000km's no ignition switch at all. Replaced by a hidden std switch (on-off) under the tank using the old harness from ign switch.
Not so much burning electrical system either. Except a few times when a wire could be squeezed somewhere. Just to feel which wire that was hot. Usually under the handle bar switches against handle bar where wires were routed outside.
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CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2015, 05:29:02 AM »
Yes, as I re-wire my minimalist 550 build, a lot of th wiring seems odd compared to newer design.  I'm feeding my headlight directly from the battery and just using a 2 way toggle switch, but I don't intend to have any handlebar switches.
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Re: Trying to brighten up my headlight.
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2015, 07:22:42 AM »
Has anyone tried these. I am worried that you get what you pay for will come into effect here.
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