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Rear shock adsorbers dampers reconditioning / new products.
« on: September 16, 2016, 12:45:59 PM »
Hi guys.

My rear shock adsorbers / dampers are gone and I have to regenerate them or sobstitute them.

Is there a way or a work instruction to regenerate the OEM dampers ?

In case is not possible or not worth, which kind of dampers and brands are allowable on the market? (i'm located in Europe).

Thanks a lot. Bye.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2016, 02:31:25 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2016, 11:37:44 PM »
Thanks a lot . ;)

 Any other comment about new equipment etc is welcome.

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2016, 11:54:47 PM »
have a look at ikon. they are the successor company of koni who made aftermarket shocks back in the day, and were fitted on many bikes as an improvement over the dodgy stock ones. the ones that ikon makes today have a classic look and work much better than the original ones.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2016, 08:40:30 AM »
have a look at ikon. they are the successor company of koni who made aftermarket shocks back in the day, and were fitted on many bikes as an improvement over the dodgy stock ones. the ones that ikon makes today have a classic look and work much better than the original ones.

Thanks. I have already heard about them by other users in other forums. This should confirm that is (even if expensive) a good brand.

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2016, 09:47:15 AM »
have a look at ikon. they are the successor company of koni who made aftermarket shocks back in the day, and were fitted on many bikes as an improvement over the dodgy stock ones. the ones that ikon makes today have a classic look and work much better than the original ones.

I second this, I'm very pleased with the Ikons on my K1. They were the closest I could find to original appearance.

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2016, 11:10:35 AM »
Hi Dunk could you please meake a photo of them and say me the productl number ? I hold a 750 k1 too. thanks a lot.

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2016, 02:09:16 PM »
This is as good a time as any to let the cat out of the bag to you guys I suppose, although I'm not really going "public" with this for a few more weeks when I am better setup. Dave Gardner, the main representative for Ikon in the USA for many years has retired and shut down his operation. RestoCycle has taken the reins and in Mid October we will launch a new online web store selling (among other things) Ikon shock absorbers and springs.

I've used these on my last two builds and really like them - damping feels just right in combination with a RaceTech'ed fork, spring seems fine even for 220 lbs of me, and I really like the option of customizing the look of them with the different appearance options. They look very close to several of teh stock shock absorbers that were used on some of the motorcycles of the 70s and 80s - and even when they don't (FVQ anyone?), they look 'correct" to my eye, but are in fact a huge upgrade in performance. Quality and finishes are really good, and they are rebuildable.

In the Ikon product family, for a 750K, you have two choices: the 7610-1296 or the 7614-1296.

The 7610 is probably their most popular shock and can be purchased with several different appearance packages - chrome or black springs, chrome or black body, and with and without a chrome or black 'cover' at the top of the spring. The 7610 uses a steel body and a 3-position ramped collar setup for spring preload. Prices range from around $400 - $500 per pair for the 7610 model, plus shipping, depending on which options are chosen.

Hit this (UK) site for now and you can view the different appearance/trim combinations that are available for the 7610. Use the pull-down to customize the appearance view and pricing:

https://ikonshocks.co.uk/shop/7610-1296-2/

These photos are all 7610, but with different eye/clevis, length, and appearance options to suit different motorcycles.








The 7614 has an aluminum body, is lighter as a result and uses a threaded collar for very fine-tuned preload adjustment. This model is only available with a natural aluminum body and a black spring, and no options for caps or different finishes. It is somewhat more expensive, roughly $600 a pair.



The damper in both units is identical, a twin-tube conventional gas-charged unit, and features 4-position rebound damping adjustment. Both are rebuildable.

The current US site (not mine!) appears to be undergoing maintenance, but I am hard at work developing a new US site right now, today in fact! And just as soon as my shipment gets off the boat in October and is trucked to RestoCycle's sprawling worldwide HQ, we will launch this venture and the web store a little more broadly and formally. But if I was going to break the news early to anyone, it would be you guys. 

But even without the motherlode that is inbound, I can get a smaller order in hand inside of a week. So if you're interested in sending me the $5 bill I pin to the bulletin board as my first customer for this venture, shoot me a PM or an email to nils@restocycle.com, I'll help you with your selection and we will BOTH be in business. Or you can call: 520-308-3705. That will ring through to my mobile if I'm not at the shop so be patient while it rings.

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Nils Menten
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Re: Rear shock adsorbers dampers reconditioning / new products.
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2016, 03:05:40 PM »
This is as good a time as any to let the cat out of the bag to you guys I suppose, although I'm not really going "public" with this for a few more weeks

Congrats Nils, good to hear this.  I need shocks!
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2016, 04:07:23 PM »
You can have pole position, AGAIN Steve!

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2016, 10:52:05 PM »
great news nils!
do you by any chance know a guy named greg at ikon in australia? he's busy working on something to upgrade the internals of my old, 1970s 76k-1302 bodies to those of the current 7610/7614 series. great guy at a great company that listens to their customers and supports special requests. i think you found a good partner there.

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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2016, 11:27:11 PM »
The service I experienced from Koni, the Dutch founder of what now is Ikon, was super. Koni back then was number one in quality and service.
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Re: Rear shock adsorbers dampers reconditioning / new products.
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2016, 01:29:59 AM »
Has anyone tried the Fox Podium R shocks?? Are they worth the money?




....The current US site (not mine!) appears to be undergoing maintenance, but I am hard at work developing a new US site right now, today in fact!...

I was wondering about the site, as I've been looking into purchasing new shocks and was afraid Ikon's were no more. Congratulations on your new venture..... question, will the new shocks be identical to the previous Ikons? As in made in the same location and shop as the previous ones, just knew owners?

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2016, 01:43:01 AM »
The Ikon factory is only a couple of hundred miles up the road from my place, and I drive past it every weekend on my 400 mile each way commute. For Christmas last year I bought myself a set of Ikon 7614's for my BMW R1100GS (front and rear) and Harley XLH1200 Sportster.

The difference, in particular with my Harley that was fitted with near new Progressive 412's was like night and day. Much more travel, way better damping (adjustable, compared to no adjustment on the Progressives) and no more of the harsh feeling I was getting from the Progressives.

I didn't notice a huge difference like that on the BMW, but BMW used pretty good shocks to begin with. I've installed Ikon 7610 series shocks on several of my Japanese bikes, and the improvement is well worth the investment. If you've got a 10 dollar butt, buy 10 dollar shocks.......... Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2016, 02:13:51 AM »
CB750 std dampers were really crap.
Very common to replace them with Koni or Marzocchi
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2016, 05:52:42 AM »
great news nils!
do you by any chance know a guy named greg at ikon in australia? he's busy working on something to upgrade the internals of my old, 1970s 76k-1302 bodies to those of the current 7610/7614 series. great guy at a great company that listens to their customers and supports special requests. i think you found a good partner there.

Could you mean "Geoff"? He's the head cheese, and the guy I work with. Great guy.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2016, 05:53:57 AM »
I was wondering about the site, as I've been looking into purchasing new shocks and was afraid Ikon's were no more. Congratulations on your new venture..... question, will the new shocks be identical to the previous Ikons? As in made in the same location and shop as the previous ones, just knew owners?

No changes at all with the products, just a change in US distribution. All is well.
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2016, 06:01:17 AM »
The service I experienced from Koni, the Dutch founder of what now is Ikon, was super. Koni back then was number one in quality and service.

Thank you and you other guys too for the good wishes. Yeah, they have earned a great reputation and that is how I met the opportunity: as a happy customer. I'm pretty excited about it all.

I will do my level best to provide excellent service and add value that way however I can. I still have a bunch to learn about the products and how to customize them, but I've got great support from Geoff and the factory.
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2016, 01:23:28 PM »
great news nils!
do you by any chance know a guy named greg at ikon in australia? he's busy working on something to upgrade the internals of my old, 1970s 76k-1302 bodies to those of the current 7610/7614 series. great guy at a great company that listens to their customers and supports special requests. i think you found a good partner there.

Could you mean "Geoff"? He's the head cheese, and the guy I work with. Great guy.

yes sorry, geoff. don't know how i got his name wrong...
if you speak to him say hi from attila, that nutcase in the netherlands with those old 76k shocks ;)

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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2016, 01:26:48 PM »
great news nils!
do you by any chance know a guy named greg at ikon in australia? he's busy working on something to upgrade the internals of my old, 1970s 76k-1302 bodies to those of the current 7610/7614 series. great guy at a great company that listens to their customers and supports special requests. i think you found a good partner there.

Could you mean "Geoff"? He's the head cheese, and the guy I work with. Great guy.

yes sorry, geoff. don't know how i got his name wrong...
if you speak to him say hi from attila, that nutcase in the netherlands with those old 76k shocks ;)

I'll do it!
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2016, 01:34:23 PM »
thanks! it's a small world ;)

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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2016, 12:44:51 AM »
Yes, it is possible to rebuild them. I've done it for my K3. Instructions here

http://www.hondatwins.net/forums/34-tips-tricks/4049-refurbish-those-oem-shocks.html


Mine came out pretty ok

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,142367.msg1790889.html#msg1790889







 Thanks for posting the link. I started on mine tonight. My '75 CB750 only has 15k miles on it but the rear shock damping was almost non existent.  So I removed them and removed the springs. Much to my surprise, they both exhibited a pretty fair amount of damping on the return stroke. Both shocks seemed to be equal. I pondered whether I should even bother, and decided to go ahead with it.

I have drilled, tapped, drained and flushed one shock. Tomorrow I will get the bolts I need to plug them, then refill the one empty shock with 15 or 20W, to compare the damping resistance between the old and new oils, before proceeding with the second shock.

What weight oil did you use and what are your feelings on your choice of weight?