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1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« on: October 08, 2016, 01:40:55 PM »
I just scored a cb550 for the low low price of free as a barn find. Literally sat in a barn for who knows how long.

Here's a video summary of how it was when I got it.

Basically, the engine was believed to have been seized. I believe the last time it was rideable was 2008 per the inspection sticker on the fender. The rear tire had been locked up, chain snapped. All control cables frozen. Shifter frozen. You name it frozen/ rusted. Mouse was living in the airbox.

This is my first time fixing a motorcycle like this so that's why I'm on this forum but I'm no stranger to bikes, though the only things I've fixed before have been smaller mopeds.
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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2016, 05:49:03 PM »
That'll be some work.  You should move this to the projects forum to track your build progress.  Good luck!
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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2016, 03:16:13 AM »
The screws are JIS, not Phillips. Get a proper set of bits to remove them and save yourself countless hours of stripping and drilling them out.

The "gears" cover where you poured Marvel Mystery Oil, is the clutch cover and engine oil fill spout. You'll not accomplish much in the way of unsiezing the engine adding the oil there. Better to remove the spark plugs, drizzle a mix of 50/50 Acetone and ATF and see if the mixture can free the rings.

But before you continue to try and force the motor to rotate, best to remove the shift cover (left side) and inspect the drive sprocket and surrounding area. It may be badly damaged if the chain indeed snapped while driving and flung itself around and cracked the cases there. And drop the oil pan and inspect upwards with a light.
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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2016, 08:04:15 AM »
I am using a manual handheld impact driver instead of that destroy-a-head impact wrench. I managed to get off the shifter cover. The inside of the cover was torn up but the drive sprocket and shifter seem to be ok. I ordered a a new chain and cover for this, next is the rear wheel which I think was the source of this bike's death. I believe the bike chain snapped while the bike was in first gear, as that's what the shifter was stuck in with the chain still bound up tightly inside. Here is the video, although slightly behind. I got the cover off after this.




By the way is there a mod that can move this thread to the project section. Also thanks for the tips I'm sure I'll have many more questions

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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2016, 05:49:42 PM »
Welcome,
  Bad news...kickstarter is not working anything, the engine didn't turn over.Make sure it works while the bottom cases have been split, before it all goes back together or you'll hate it
The stuck shifter is probably rusted shifting dogs, You can get to them when you split the bottom end cases.This issue probably has nothing to do with the chain being bound up on a round shaft.
Get a new primary chain and a cam timing chain or you may hate that later too
don't reuse your C clips get new
 Get Entire gasket kit and pucks sold separately...check the rest of the seals as you go
locked up...get ready for a bore and ring job, maybe pistons too. Rings are rusted to the cylinder walls
 get a new clutch for sure.
Rear brakes ...the shoe probably separated from the pad and is wedged in the the lining. new shoes.
Before spinning a frozen engine ...back off your valve tappets to see if the valves are stuck or the piston will bend them when it finally rotates, you'll be changing the guide seals anyway when you do the top end.
 Nothing is as costly as a free bike.
         Good luck and have fun.
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Re: 1974 CB550 Resurrection?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2016, 06:48:50 PM »
Well after getting that sprocket side cover off, atleast the bottom part of the gears turn as the kicker turns the drive sprocket. Who knows about the top end yet, could be blown up or something. This is just a short vid to show that. I managed to get off the throttle side exhaust pipes which have the most damage to them. The most far right side upper pipe is the worst, packed with dirt and rust. Hopefully by the end of the week Ill have time to get the engine out and look at the top end to see what the actual damage is. If worse comes to worse, I can always just find a new engine for this thing.

I have a whole engine gasket set on order which should be in in about a week or so.


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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2016, 02:36:02 PM »

So here's an update. Got a new engine. CB500 as well as another stuck 550 to play with. The original engine i have to...parts for now. Right now I'm going to repaint the frame and start cleaning it up since I have a 500 engine that turns over. I will probably to replace the gaskets in there though. Also have to decide on an exhaust.  Leaning towards the 4 to 1

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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2016, 03:26:34 PM »
So you are going to replace your 550 motor with a 500, since the 500 is a runner?
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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2016, 03:48:32 PM »
For right now yes, however I still have that other 550 the guy gave me that is stuck which I will take a look at. Right now its just soaking and I haven't opened it up yet. Basically out of the 2 550's I'm going to see which is in better condition and then rebuild it over the winter since I've got parts x2 to make into one working engine.

As for the bike I'm going to work on completing that. Right now I have to clean up the frame and repaint it, and mount in the 500. Have a bunch of parts on order and deciding on the exhaust for next week.

Who know's maybe next year I'll find (probably will) another frame to put the redone 550 in. Or maybe I'll put it in the CB and sell the 500/ find a bike for it.

Also I guess this is def turning into another cafe racer type build though I'm going to keep it pretty simple since my budget isnt huge. I'll try to get better vids done although i've been so busy at work I dont have a ton of time to work on it cept for the weekends

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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2016, 04:12:24 PM »
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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2016, 05:42:31 PM »
The 500 engine has leaky oil seals (O rings) between the cylinders and the head on both sides.
  Be sure to get a clutch cable mount for the upper rear engine mount if you go with the 500 engine, the 550s don't have them.
    Q: If you already have 2 550 engines why dick around with the 500?
I didn't  see a thorough engine exam there, on any of them.At very least you should have removed the oil pan to check for peices, grindings and primary chain stretch... Open it up , take a look at those valves and those over 40 year old seals, see if the valves are stuck or free. do the valves seat well? Then take a look at those pistons and the piston walls ,are they scored ,within spec? Take off the head check the pistons for excessive play... at this point you must know that you are into new rings and a hone  or new pistons/ rings/bore job.Not to mention a new complete set of gaskets  ( you'll find those O rings in there)pucks (sold seperately)and yes you might as well plan on lower seals while you are there, nobody wants to spend twice because the cheaped out in the first rebuilt and ran the risk that some of the 40 year old seals are like new. The primary chain stretches  from use, really stretches when abused... will start to grind aluminum at the timing chain adjuster perch (you could check that by simply looking around when the pan is off.
  My point: You still don't have a clue what's wrong with any of these engines, so why put any engine back in?
   If you are going to take the whole frame down, sand blast/or other method to get the rust off,  upgrade/or re-grease old steering bearings,repaint frame. Then there's time to spend cleaning and checking the wires,clean every part, buff or paint all the parts, change wheel bearings , brake shoes, master cylinder rebuild and caliper seal, fork rebuild and possibly swing arm bushings to replace.....riding time is over anyways....might as well go straight into engine rebuild and save yourself a headache next riding season....., besides you'll get everything covered in oil with those leaky Orings, probably have to get new clutch ,filter, oil, plugs, points and condensers, adjust the valves, adjust the timing chain and clean and sync the carbs.... and that's on an unknown engine that you want to use temporarily.
  And all this stuff has nothing to do with if  you want a cafe racer look or anything else. The cafe racer will require seat mod, hoop weld in , electric mods and a host of other modifications if it is to turn out to be anything worth looking at.
  Or maybe we're just talking about a flat black rattle can paint job on a ratty running classic machine that certainly deserved better...and it does...and so do you.
   This project , if to be done correctly and safely will require you to tighten up your game plan,examine each and every part for both safety and reliability if you are planning to ride it. If you're planning sell it completed examine everything you touch twice, if you just want to flip it....now is the time.
   You are looking at a a$$load of work and dollars should you want to do this right. If you decide not to do it right , what is the point of it all?  You tube?  There's lots a dumba$$es on youtube  doing things when they have no idea what they are doing. Don't be that. This forum and it's members can give you the information you need to both present well and informed with good information for your youtube vid ( for future viewers) and complete a machine that you can be proud of, and enjoy for years to come.
  I would like you to be successful with this project and present well with accurate information for your  future viewers. This is in no way meant to be harsh, don't take it that way....but...there will be people that will find you on youtube needing good information, and so far you don't have any and haven't asked the forum for any. please ask questions so you'll know what to expect  before your next move and have the answers for your findings, so that you make the proper actions while filming ,you will be able  teach others what you have learned in an informed, confident manner.
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« Last Edit: October 30, 2016, 01:34:55 PM by rb550four »
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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2016, 07:13:45 AM »
I haven't been posting questions on the forums because they've been answered before, I just go through and read the other threads when I encounter the same issues. This is mainly because I've seen plenty of threads where people are just referred to other threads so I simply follow along. Right now I've been working on the cleaning up the electrics but havent filmed any of it yet.

The reason the guy gave me the other 550 engine was because it was stuck as well and he didnt want to do anything with it. Since the 500 turns over I thought I'd start there. Alot of stuff I also don't film but, I guess I might as well.

As for dumbassery, I figured that would be somewhat entertaining for the YT audience
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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2016, 09:57:40 AM »

I had to put the engine back in the frame in order to work on it since I don't have a lift and its easier to take apart in the frame as it's elevated

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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2016, 10:37:22 AM »
About $60 will get you an engine stand and some angle iron to make adapters to attach your engine to it. It's even better than in the frame because it elevates the engine to basically fuel tank height.

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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2016, 10:14:57 PM »
Good Idea. Thanks. I'll use that when I take apart the old 550

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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2016, 09:31:37 AM »
Major Score today. Found an old four pack of clutch push rods for 15$ on ebay. Lucky me. They're the originals too for the 500 it looks like. The original rod was broken like so many others and felt like bubblegum


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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2016, 10:57:30 AM »
The 500 and 550 rods are different lengths entirely.  :-\
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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2016, 06:18:47 PM »
I know. The bike was a 550 but the engine is a 500 so these rods work for this engine

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Re: 1974 CB550 Ressurection?
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2016, 11:04:48 PM »
500 clutch push rod stuff