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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/arts/music/spotify-neil-young-joe-rogan.html

As I said, Neil Young demanded Spotify remove his music, and Spotify removed his music. You asserted he can't demand to have it taken down. I said he did, and they did, which is exactly what happened. You sent links to old news stories about how he sold the rights to his catalogue. But these are different things. Who ultmately controls the rights to his music may affect whether there are legal proceedings, but for now, as I said, he demanded that they remove his music and they did.

I know you are fixated on proving me wrong (and it's a little weird), but I'm not wrong here.

To put it in the words of a great philosopher, "I think you just don't understand what happened."

Spotify voluntarily removed his music. His demand was just hot air.
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And he demanded Spotify choose to ban Rogan or remove Young’s music. A feeble attempt at censoring the views and opinions of others.

He doesn’t want his music there, fine, simply request to have it removed. Cite “commercial” reasons and keep your dopey weed-plagued yap shut. Personally, I could care less whether he does or doesn’t have his music there. Or Rogan’s podcast.

But it is yet another example of the “elites” believing their version of the facts and truth is the only version that can be told. No thanks, Ef to those and the horse they rode in on. I’m quite capable of rational, critical thinking for myself.

I’m not anti-fax, anti-science or anti-govt. I AM anti- do what you’re told because I said so. And if your version of the facts is discredited, you can bet your last breath of air, I’ll choose what I do regardless of what “you say” or believe. That is rather likely where most like me come out in all this.
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Really tired of wading through this topic when going through “recent posts”. Can’t you take this to Facebook, Instagram or Twitter and leave SOHC to motorcycles?

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Really tired of wading through this topic when going through “recent posts”. Can’t you take this to Facebook, Instagram or Twitter and leave SOHC to motorcycles?

The internet must work differently for me.  I have to click on something in order for me to be able to "wade" through it. ;)
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Quote from: ofreen
The internet must work differently for me.  I have to click on something in order for me to be able to "wade" through it. ;)

Home page, bottom of the page, Recent Posts. I don’t read them, I just scroll by them. Believe me, I’d rather read oil and tire threads before delving into this drivel. :)

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The internet must work differently for me.  I have to click on something in order for me to be able to "wade" through it. ;)

Home page, bottom of the page, Recent Posts. I don’t read them, I just scroll by them. Believe me, I’d rather read oil and tire threads before delving into this drivel. :)
Must be one of those “rubber neckers” on he road who HAS TO LOOK at the accident on the shoulder. Just because it’s listed, IGNORE IT. FFS.
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No matter, once the government mandates (backed with coercion, force, and ultimately violence) came about, my personal medical condition and risk/reward analysis became irrelevant.

This has pretty much been my answer. I had to explain it to mom last year. I simply said that any hope of me getting the shot went out the window when the threats and coercion started. And to be honest, there wasn't much of a chance before that. I would go so far as to say that had our govt not gone down that road, more people would be vaxxed.

This reminds me of a quote I read last year. I can't recall who it was or the exact quote, but I'll paraphrase..."My reason for not getting vaxxed is simple. I dislike the people who want me to take it. My refusal makes them furious, and that, in turn, makes me happy."

I can definitely relate.

hey...not to worry...the same people, in charge, that get furious.....are now working on getting free crack pipes to a certain class of people. ( isn't that discrimination?) ...Should  I mention the "needle" vending machines proposal?
...and I'm to trust those people? The same people who change definitions to suit their agenda? ...nope..
....the vaccine is not a vaccine.
actual wuhan death counts are unobtainable....deaths with the virus are tainted with deaths "from" the virus....what source do we trust for the differentiation?...

and I love this...

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apples to apples.....actually, as a whole, we aren't doing bad at all...compared to yesteryear....sure beats 1950...

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apples to apples.....actually, as a whole, we aren't doing bad at all...compared to yesteryear....sure beats 1950...
You must have missed the not quite fine print at the top?
"NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the Covid-19 virus."
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apples to apples.....actually, as a whole, we aren't doing bad at all...compared to yesteryear....sure beats 1950...
You must have missed the not quite fine print at the top?
"NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the Covid-19 virus."

Ha ha, don't you know that you should never let the facts get in the way of a good story Scott? ;D
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  Darwin got this covered.

I was only saying just that the other day Don. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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apples to apples.....actually, as a whole, we aren't doing bad at all...compared to yesteryear....sure beats 1950...
You must have missed the not quite fine print at the top?
"NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the Covid-19 virus."
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didn't miss anything at all. I could care less about someone's "projections ". However, past FACTS are the same no matter who prints them.
....the data is UP TO 2022...didn't YOU catch that? Dont YOU understand what THAT means?...Is that not ccovering the BULK of this so called pandemic?
    Projections aren't facts.....sigh, I get it though, having to explain simple things to simple people.
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  Darwin got this covered.

I was only saying just that the other day Don. ;D

you mean like the cops down under entering church services to check "papers"?.....how proud you must be.

I thought the title of this thread was to present opinions with respect .....guess not....
« Last Edit: February 09, 2022, 06:26:26 AM by jlh3rd »

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Just gonna leave this here: the NYT fact-checked the claims made on Rogan's show.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/arts/music/fact-check-joe-rogan-robert-malone.html

Rogan's obviously got more than disinfomation problems right now.

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Just gonna leave this here: the NYT fact-checked the claims made on Rogan's show.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/arts/music/fact-check-joe-rogan-robert-malone.html

Rogan's obviously got more than disinfomation problems right now.
Interesting. You cite the “fact checking” of medical experts and scientific data by a person with a degree in Journalism. A person with a professional background in political fact checking. How objective that journalist must be…  ::)

And she “fact checked” opinions, analogies, and references the subjects made as allegories. FFS, you must be the most myopic dolt who ever sh!t between two shoes.
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Just gonna leave this here: the NYT fact-checked the claims made on Rogan's show.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/arts/music/fact-check-joe-rogan-robert-malone.html

Rogan's obviously got more than disinfomation problems right now.
Interesting. You cite the “fact checking” of medical experts and scientific data by a person with a degree in Journalism. A person with a professional background in political fact checking. How objective that journalist must be…  ::)

And she “fact checked” opinions, analogies, and references the subjects made as allegories. FFS, you must be the most myopic dolt who ever sh!t between two shoes.

Way to keep it respectful Cal, always a beacon of class.

Rather than dismiss the story and insult the messenger, why not click on the links in the story? They include the CDC, a statistical aggregator called Our World in Data, a medical journal connected to Yale, epidemiologists, an Indian research agency, etc. Reading is fun, and you might learn something.

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I learned, by reading, that it's racist to notice a person is not wearing a mask:

https://www.newsweek.com/stacey-abrams-goes-offensive-after-gop-blasts-maskless-school-photo-op-1676642

So much science... Maybe she was holding her breath?

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I did read the link. I then did further research about the author, her background, and prior work. I not only read, but comprehend information and then think critically about what I have ingested. Cross reference it with our sources to determine its validity.

See, there’s more than just skimming a headline and portending to be the smartest cat in the world. But you might have missed that day in school when they taught critical thinking.

Having a journalist attempt to paint a noted virologist, the inventor of MRNA technology as a controversial scientist is laughable. Only the most feeble mind would slurp up that slop.

You claim to be a proponent of following the “science” and yet all the policies and actions you extol are controversies by science. For instance, 7/2020 the CDC plainly said, “there is no evidence that school age children can contract, transmit, or become infected by the virus.” And yet, millions upon millions of US children were shuttered away, locked down, and suffered by “political policy”. Some science-based acolyte you are.

Further, studies in effectiveness of cloth masks (you know, they type EVERYONE WEARS IN PUBLIC) have less than 10% effectiveness at preventing the spread, transmission or contraction of a virus. Well, let’s make everyone wear on of those to enter a restaurant, but allow them to remove them while eating and drinking. What, the virus graciously suspends it’s function during those moments? FFs the hypocrisy and idiocy of that is beyond laughable.

Every scientist who received an actual medical degree will confirm that the virus has virtually no ability to transmit in open air environments. So why then are people expected to wear a mask while exercising, walking, riding a bike? Where’s the “science”, Acolyte?

And the “vaccine”… It neither prevents transmitting, contracting or dying from the virus. So why then force people to take it? Sure, it might lessen the effects, but what about those cases where it causes other issues? Or what about people’s right to choose for themself what goes into their body? You probably are an advocate for the lobby of Abortion under the guise that is some type of women’s health care. That’s a lark. Or you may even be a proponent of legalizing drugs like marijuana, heroin and others. Fine, but why should you not follow the “science” that clearly indicates an abortion is 100% lethal, that drugs have complications to public health and well being, and that it is the governments role to determine what you can and can not do?

See, your conflicting arguments belie your belief in what you call science. Cite all the data that supports your argument, then dispel as “conspiracy” anything that does not. Sorry, science is about being proven. Right or wrong, science should aspire to be empirical. And virology is not empirical. Diseases mutate, humans mutate, humans evolve biologically because they were designed to adapt to their environment. Sorry you missed that day in school where you might have learned these things. Easier to just bloviate your ideological blather and dismiss other’s rights and opinions when they don’t align with yours.

I accept that you think differently. Fine by me. But get off your pedestal and stop attempting to lecture others about how correct you are and how wrong they are. I show respect to those who conduct themself respectfully of others. You have not on many occasions and certainly not within this thread. So back the fcuk up with your “holier than thou” crap.
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Cal, you're kind of a snowflake, but definitely cute at the same time.

While I enjoy your rants and insults, you curmudgeonly cutie, you and goodtryer never seem to respond to what's being discussed -- Joe Rogan's guest being fact-checked -- but instead rant about whatever you feel like. "Children and masks!" "The vaccine doesn't work!" (Medical authorities assure you that it does). "You're stupid!" And other assorted red herrings. Never, or rarely I guess, addressing the topic at hand.

It's clear, I think, to most that you guys just want to rant and fling poo and have the last word. More power to you guys.
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Is it ok if Rogan uses the same fact check basis as this journalist?

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Today I learned, by reading a Facebook fact check, that the British Medical Journal, published since 1840, is a "blog".

So much fact checking!

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-british-medical-journal-story
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ya have to love it.....Hysterical hypocrisy.......

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ya have to love it.....Hysterical hypocrisy.......
Yup.

I guess Chicken Legs issue with my reply is that it involved too much reading and too much comprehension. Pretty sure my first paragraph was a direct reply to his post… But maybe my post was too long for him to read? Ah, skimming for knowledge. How cute it is (what are we in 4th grade again)..
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It's clear, I think, to most that you guys just want to rant and fling poo and have the last word. More power to you guys.

Interesting. I give you 2 direct responses to the topic you brought up but now you want to take your ball & go home.
 
Goalposts moved again!
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