Topic: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.

[Terry in Australia]

No mate, I could get in some serious shiite if I just threw it away, then again, it was pretty bad, black powder doesn't have a long shelf life before it breaks down, so I probably could have thrown it further, ha ha!

[Raul CB750K1]

No mate, I could get in some serious shiite if I just threw it away, then again, it was pretty bad, black powder doesn't have a long shelf life before it breaks down, so I probably could have thrown it further, ha ha!

The purpose of this thread was to comment about stupid english laws and we seem to tread onto a stupid aussie law. So it's not illegal to throw lead pellets yards away with the use of a gun but it is illegal if you toss them away with your bare hands, am I right?

[Terry in Australia]

No mate, I could get in some serious shiite if I just threw it away, then again, it was pretty bad, black powder doesn't have a long shelf life before it breaks down, so I probably could have thrown it further, ha ha!

The purpose of this thread was to comment about stupid english laws and we seem to tread onto a stupid aussie law. So it's not illegal to throw lead pellets yards away with the use of a gun but it is illegal if you toss them away with your bare hands, am I right?

No mate, as usual, you've ballsed it up, ha ha! It's illegal to just throw away ammunition due to the dangers of someone (kids, garbage collectors etc) injuring themselves with potential explosive and fragmentation hazards dicarded by a careless person.

Conversely, firing a gun on a supervised shooting range is the safest, and most responsible method of disposal of old ammunition. Cheers, Terry.

[Raul CB750K1]

No mate, as usual, you've ballsed it up, ha ha! It's illegal to just throw away ammunition due to the dangers of someone (kids, garbage collectors etc) injuring themselves with potential explosive and fragmentation hazards dicarded by a careless person.

Conversely, firing a gun on a supervised shooting range is the safest, and most responsible method of disposal of old ammunition. Cheers, Terry.

C'mon, I understand if you discard or toss bullets they are dangerous, but you don't need a law to make it illegal, you just need common sense. As you were talking about your great-great grandfather, I just assumed it should be lead pellets, so there is no risk in tossing them -without the powder of course- apart from polluting the environment.... isn't it?

[BobbyR]

OK, let's bring this back from toxic waste disposal to the real issue of the private citizen being able to defend themselves. It would appear that in some places you can wind up in big trouble if you use a:

Cricket Bat
Golf Club
Frying Pan
Louisville Slugger
A right cross
A right foot to the nuts
Cattle Prod
530 or 630 Chain

Or perhaps even over harsh words to dissuade a person from attacking you. It would seem that in any Democracy or Country where there are elected officials it is time their feet be held to the fire when they come asking for your vote.

[Terry in Australia]

No mate, as usual, you've ballsed it up, ha ha! It's illegal to just throw away ammunition due to the dangers of someone (kids, garbage collectors etc) injuring themselves with potential explosive and fragmentation hazards dicarded by a careless person.

Conversely, firing a gun on a supervised shooting range is the safest, and most responsible method of disposal of old ammunition. Cheers, Terry.

C'mon, I understand if you discard or toss bullets they are dangerous, but you don't need a law to make it illegal, you just need common sense. As you were talking about your great-great grandfather, I just assumed it should be lead pellets, so there is no risk in tossing them -without the powder of course- apart from polluting the environment.... isn't it?

I think you're still missing the point Raul, the shotgun cartridges contain both black powder AND pellets, it's not a muzzle loader, where they're two seperate entities.

The gun was built around 1860-ish, (I don't read proof marks, but the manufacturer was absorbed by Browning or BSA shortly after that) and by then, cartridge type shotguns were reasonably common. Cheers, Terry.    

[malcolmgb]

sorry to go off at a tangent but is there a state in the US where you must own a gun by law? someone recently told me this or is it as I suspect another urban myth.

[TwoTired]

Not states.  But there are cities.  Kennesa,GA, comes to mind.

From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

Gun Law

On May 1, 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-1a] requiring every head of household to maintain a firearm together with ammunition. It was passed partly in response to a 1981 handgun ban in Morton Grove, Illinois. Kennesaw's law was amended in 1983 to exempt those who conscientiously object to owning a firearm, convicted felons, those who cannot afford a firearm, and those with a mental or physical disability that would prevent them from owning a firearm. It mentions no penalty for its violation. According to the Kennesaw Historical Society, no one has ever been charged under the ordinance.

Current statistics indicate that Kennesaw's crime rate[4] is definitely lower compared to surrounding cities like Marietta[5], Smyrna[6], Alpharetta[7], or Atlanta

[Bob Wessner]

That is interesting. Also interesting that they overlooked the fact that the original law required convicted felons to own a gun. Oops.

[edbikerii]

Wow, they actually LOWERED the crime rate through MANDATORY GUN OWNERSHIP.  They oughta try that in the Bronx.  I'll bet that would actually work.  At least they are thinking outside the box.

Not states.  But there are cities.  Kennesa,GA, comes to mind.

From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

Gun Law

On May 1, 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-1a] requiring every head of household to maintain a firearm together with ammunition. It was passed partly in response to a 1981 handgun ban in Morton Grove, Illinois. Kennesaw's law was amended in 1983 to exempt those who conscientiously object to owning a firearm, convicted felons, those who cannot afford a firearm, and those with a mental or physical disability that would prevent them from owning a firearm. It mentions no penalty for its violation. According to the Kennesaw Historical Society, no one has ever been charged under the ordinance.

Current statistics indicate that Kennesaw's crime rate[4] is definitely lower compared to surrounding cities like Marietta[5], Smyrna[6], Alpharetta[7], or Atlanta

[BobbyR]

Wow, they actually LOWERED the crime rate through MANDATORY GUN OWNERSHIP.  They oughta try that in the Bronx.  I'll bet that would actually work.  At least they are thinking outside the box.

Not states.  But there are cities.  Kennesa,GA, comes to mind.

From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

Gun Law

On May 1, 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-1a] requiring every head of household to maintain a firearm together with ammunition. It was passed partly in response to a 1981 handgun ban in Morton Grove, Illinois. Kennesaw's law was amended in 1983 to exempt those who conscientiously object to owning a firearm, convicted felons, those who cannot afford a firearm, and those with a mental or physical disability that would prevent them from owning a firearm. It mentions no penalty for its violation. According to the Kennesaw Historical Society, no one has ever been charged under the ordinance.

Current statistics indicate that Kennesaw's crime rate[4] is definitely lower compared to surrounding cities like Marietta[5], Smyrna[6], Alpharetta[7], or Atlanta

I work right on the Bronx border and my Son is working down on Bruckner Blvd for the summer. Everyone there already has a gun. I am not sure how many crimes it prevents, but I am sure it is a lot.

[edbikerii]

My best friend is on the job there.  I brought my kids to the Christmas Party at the 41 last year.

Wow, they actually LOWERED the crime rate through MANDATORY GUN OWNERSHIP.  They oughta try that in the Bronx.  I'll bet that would actually work.  At least they are thinking outside the box.

Not states.  But there are cities.  Kennesa,GA, comes to mind.

From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

Gun Law

On May 1, 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-1a] requiring every head of household to maintain a firearm together with ammunition. It was passed partly in response to a 1981 handgun ban in Morton Grove, Illinois. Kennesaw's law was amended in 1983 to exempt those who conscientiously object to owning a firearm, convicted felons, those who cannot afford a firearm, and those with a mental or physical disability that would prevent them from owning a firearm. It mentions no penalty for its violation. According to the Kennesaw Historical Society, no one has ever been charged under the ordinance.

Current statistics indicate that Kennesaw's crime rate[4] is definitely lower compared to surrounding cities like Marietta[5], Smyrna[6], Alpharetta[7], or Atlanta

I work right on the Bronx border and my Son is working down on Bruckner Blvd for the summer. Everyone there already has a gun. I am not sure how many crimes it prevents, but I am sure it is a lot.

[CrisPDuk]

Wow, they actually LOWERED the crime rate through MANDATORY GUN OWNERSHIP.  They oughta try that in the Bronx.  I'll bet that would actually work.  At least they are thinking outside the box.

Not states.  But there are cities.  Kennesa,GA, comes to mind.

From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

Gun Law

On May 1, 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-1a] requiring every head of household to maintain a firearm together with ammunition. It was passed partly in response to a 1981 handgun ban in Morton Grove, Illinois. Kennesaw's law was amended in 1983 to exempt those who conscientiously object to owning a firearm, convicted felons, those who cannot afford a firearm, and those with a mental or physical disability that would prevent them from owning a firearm. It mentions no penalty for its violation. According to the Kennesaw Historical Society, no one has ever been charged under the ordinance.

Current statistics indicate that Kennesaw's crime rate[4] is definitely lower compared to surrounding cities like Marietta[5], Smyrna[6], Alpharetta[7], or Atlanta

I work right on the Bronx border and my Son is working down on Bruckner Blvd for the summer. Everyone there already has a gun. I am not sure how many crimes it prevents, but I am sure it is a lot.

I bet it doesn't stop many drive-bys

[edbikerii]

True, very true.

Wow, they actually LOWERED the crime rate through MANDATORY GUN OWNERSHIP.  They oughta try that in the Bronx.  I'll bet that would actually work.  At least they are thinking outside the box.

Not states.  But there are cities.  Kennesa,GA, comes to mind.

From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

Gun Law

On May 1, 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-1a] requiring every head of household to maintain a firearm together with ammunition. It was passed partly in response to a 1981 handgun ban in Morton Grove, Illinois. Kennesaw's law was amended in 1983 to exempt those who conscientiously object to owning a firearm, convicted felons, those who cannot afford a firearm, and those with a mental or physical disability that would prevent them from owning a firearm. It mentions no penalty for its violation. According to the Kennesaw Historical Society, no one has ever been charged under the ordinance.

Current statistics indicate that Kennesaw's crime rate[4] is definitely lower compared to surrounding cities like Marietta[5], Smyrna[6], Alpharetta[7], or Atlanta

I work right on the Bronx border and my Son is working down on Bruckner Blvd for the summer. Everyone there already has a gun. I am not sure how many crimes it prevents, but I am sure it is a lot.

I bet it doesn't stop many drive-bys

[Terry in Australia]

What goes, "clip clop, clip clop, BANG! Clip clop, clip clop"? 

[oldfordguy]

What goes, "clip clop, clip clop, BANG! Clip clop, clip clop"? 

An Amish drive-by!

[BobbyR]

Found this sometime ago, I am good with it:

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE
1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
3. Colt: The original point and click interface.
4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.
9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
10. The United States Constitution ©1791. All Rights Reserved.
11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the
others.
13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.
15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.
18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.
20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.
21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control
them.
22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.
23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.
24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

[TwoTired]

Found this sometime ago, I am good with it:

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

Nice list, Bobby.

Cheers,

[kslrr]

Here's one more

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns!

[Terry in Australia]

What goes, "clip clop, clip clop, BANG! Clip clop, clip clop"? 

An Amish drive-by!

Yeah, I love that joke! 

[Wheelhorse77]

I think it's cool to have opinions from all over the globe. You can't buy these kind of opinions anywhere.

Give the world another 20 years and all houses will need to be entered by thumbprint. Retinal scans will determine an intruder alert and phone the police. A camera in everyroom so the entity always knows what your up to. You will no longer worry about needing a gun.

Why? sheep are stupid and big bro is good for us; or is it? Uncky Sam used to say that smoking was good showed pictures of doctors and nurses puffing away. They also had x-ray machines at your local shoe store and that getting your foot x-rayed to see where your toes were was the way to really buy shoes. Now both cause cancer and drive shareholder profits lower; bad news better make some new laws. We have to make laws to wear seatbelts, turn on your lights when it's raining, car seats to be in the back seat and so forth. Air bags, supposedly good for adults, fatal to children. Internet porn distroys marriages---maybe you should only use the internet if you are single LOL. Fast food causes heart disease, but no one bans McDonalds. If someone is smoking in a resturant, I have the right to leave. If a drunk kills my wife, where are my rights there? Alcohol ruins more marriages than smoking, but that's not the current focus of America. Do I fancy a drink, certainly, but I also know how to stop. 

I laugh because what is good today, maybe bad tomorrow.

Power is in the people, but as sheep, we go our own way. We no longer stick together; it's a shame. In America, it's cool to have a hyphen. I remember when people were proud to be American, not something-American. The shepard has the sheeple right where he wants them; babel all over again. Together we can make a difference for the good, separate we are weak.

Food for thought.

[Terry in Australia]

 Retinal scans will determine an intruder alert and phone the police.

Aaaaaaaahhhhh RETINAL camera's? I must be dislexic, I thought you meant "RECTINAL" camera's, and I thought, "how the hell are they gonna detect some assholle who's illegally entered our houses?" Ha ha, Cheers, Terry.