Topic: Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521 - National Medical Device Registry

[Duke McDukiedook]

Mark Twain.

[SiliconDoc]

Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521— National Medical Device Registry

The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.

In “real world speak”, this new law, when fully implemented, provides the framework for making the United States the first Nation in the World to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling who is, or isn’t, allowed medical care in their country.

It goes without saying, of course, that this new “Med-Chip” these American’s will be forced to have put inside them will not only control their access to medical resources, but will also enable their government to know their whereabouts, spending habits, and so much more as to effectively make these people nothing more than “human cattle” to be herded, controlled, and if they object to their new status, led to the slaughterhouse.  

ObamanableCare PDF

Okay, I didn't read all the posts, but did you notice that the devices could be all sorts of things other than "rfid chips" and in fact include a host of medical devices that are implantable, and also includes those that have been used outside on a patient, or inside and removed ?
Shall I take the time to list 15 or 20 such things that are painfully common ?

[Markcb750]

At what point does legislation become too complex to be comprehensible to the average American?

At what point is it necessary for the average American to demand that those who represent US must simplify the rules and regulations that govern our behavior so that citizens unable or unwilling to grasp the meaning of rules in context cannot be lead by those among us who know how to profit unreasonably from others ignorance?


There has to be a better way.

[demon78]

I don't know if this makes sense to you guys, but can you imagine anyone being able to carry it off, the people involved with it are human, there is sure to be leaks that would tip off the rest of you.
Bill the demon.

[Frankenkit]

At what point does legislation become too complex to be comprehensible to the average American?

Ok.  Go forth into Google, Myspace, Facebook, and/or any forum out there, read the scrawlings of the human detritus littering the web, and you tell me how mindnumbingly simple legislation is going to have to be for the average american to understand it. Then we'll figure out how to also make it complex enough to encompass the number of caveats for special situations, close unfortunate and/or unplanned loopholes AND make it moderate enough for representatives of both parties to vote for it.

If we can do that without sounding like total condescending jackasses, I'm all for it.

At that point, the order of propositions and spinning to the public will become all the more important:

"Should we provide legal protection for baby seal raping puppy slappers?" 

"No!" cries The Public.

"How about legalizing gay marriage and pot use?"

"Well, that's not as bad as raping baby seals or slapping puppies..." considers The Public.

[Duke McDukiedook]

Plus the fact that the congress and house are mostly lawyers doesn't help the cause.

Those effers put loopholes in everywhere they can.

[edbikerii]

So Kit, would it be correct to summarize your post by saying that you think Americans are too dumb to understand the level of complexity that our laws require?

At what point does legislation become too complex to be comprehensible to the average American?

Ok.  Go forth into Google, Myspace, Facebook, and/or any forum out there, read the scrawlings of the human detritus littering the web, and you tell me how mindnumbingly simple legislation is going to have to be for the average american to understand it. Then we'll figure out how to also make it complex enough to encompass the number of caveats for special situations, close unfortunate and/or unplanned loopholes AND make it moderate enough for representatives of both parties to vote for it.

If we can do that without sounding like total condescending jackasses, I'm all for it.

At that point, the order of propositions and spinning to the public will become all the more important:

"Should we provide legal protection for baby seal raping puppy slappers?" 

"No!" cries The Public.

"How about legalizing gay marriage and pot use?"

"Well, that's not as bad as raping baby seals or slapping puppies..." considers The Public.

[Frankenkit]

So Kit, would it be correct to summarize your post by saying that you think Americans are too dumb to understand the level of complexity that our laws require?

At what point does legislation become too complex to be comprehensible to the average American?

Ok.  Go forth into Google, Myspace, Facebook, and/or any forum out there, read the scrawlings of the human detritus littering the web, and you tell me how mindnumbingly simple legislation is going to have to be for the average american to understand it. Then we'll figure out how to also make it complex enough to encompass the number of caveats for special situations, close unfortunate and/or unplanned loopholes AND make it moderate enough for representatives of both parties to vote for it.

If we can do that without sounding like total condescending jackasses, I'm all for it.

At that point, the order of propositions and spinning to the public will become all the more important:

"Should we provide legal protection for baby seal raping puppy slappers?" 

"No!" cries The Public.

"How about legalizing gay marriage and pot use?"

"Well, that's not as bad as raping baby seals or slapping puppies..." considers The Public.

What do you think?
http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/video/categories/jaywalking/20187/

[Retro Rocket]

Hi Kit, if you watched Judge Judy you would definitely form that conclusion......

Mick

[edbikerii]

So, why do you think the government did away with the literacy requirement for voting?

So Kit, would it be correct to summarize your post by saying that you think Americans are too dumb to understand the level of complexity that our laws require?

At what point does legislation become too complex to be comprehensible to the average American?

Ok.  Go forth into Google, Myspace, Facebook, and/or any forum out there, read the scrawlings of the human detritus littering the web, and you tell me how mindnumbingly simple legislation is going to have to be for the average american to understand it. Then we'll figure out how to also make it complex enough to encompass the number of caveats for special situations, close unfortunate and/or unplanned loopholes AND make it moderate enough for representatives of both parties to vote for it.

If we can do that without sounding like total condescending jackasses, I'm all for it.

At that point, the order of propositions and spinning to the public will become all the more important:

"Should we provide legal protection for baby seal raping puppy slappers?" 

"No!" cries The Public.

"How about legalizing gay marriage and pot use?"

"Well, that's not as bad as raping baby seals or slapping puppies..." considers The Public.

What do you think?
http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/video/categories/jaywalking/20187/

[Frankenkit]

So, why do you think the government did away with the literacy requirement for voting?

So Kit, would it be correct to summarize your post by saying that you think Americans are too dumb to understand the level of complexity that our laws require?

At what point does legislation become too complex to be comprehensible to the average American?

Ok.  Go forth into Google, Myspace, Facebook, and/or any forum out there, read the scrawlings of the human detritus littering the web, and you tell me how mindnumbingly simple legislation is going to have to be for the average american to understand it. Then we'll figure out how to also make it complex enough to encompass the number of caveats for special situations, close unfortunate and/or unplanned loopholes AND make it moderate enough for representatives of both parties to vote for it.

If we can do that without sounding like total condescending jackasses, I'm all for it.

At that point, the order of propositions and spinning to the public will become all the more important:

"Should we provide legal protection for baby seal raping puppy slappers?"  

"No!" cries The Public.

"How about legalizing gay marriage and pot use?"

"Well, that's not as bad as raping baby seals or slapping puppies..." considers The Public.

What do you think?
http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/video/categories/jaywalking/20187/

It was done away with because although we'd given minorities the right to vote, there would still be gatekeepers "assessing the literacy" of people who came to vote.  Apparently ebonics weren't regarded 'literacy' and quite a few members of the black community were turned away.  The law was done away with to get rid of these gate keepers.  It had nothing to do with the fact that the general public is alarmingly ill-informed.

[edbikerii]

Kit, those days are long gone.  Why can't we have a simple "I passed high school social studies" requirement for voting today?  How about that?  How about a high school or equivalency diploma in order to be eligible to make the most important decision in all of our lives.

Wouldn't that be better than "Rock the Vote"?

It was done away with because although we'd given minorities the right to vote, there would still be gatekeepers "assessing the literacy" of people who came to vote.  Apparently ebonics weren't regarded 'literacy' and quite a few members of the black community were turned away.  The law was done away with to get rid of these gate keepers.  It had nothing to do with the fact that the general public is alarmingly ill-informed.

[Duke McDukiedook]

Ed, you're assuming your vote actually means squat, which it doesn't.

These days it is all manufactured consent, polls, voting is rigged and elections are stolen.

[yass]

I was searching for information about this very subject which brought me to your forum.  I see this thread is a bit old, but hey, time to regenerate eh.

FDA Approval VeriChip RFID Implant Class 2 Device 12Oct04

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22533693/FDA-Approval-VeriChip-RFID-Implant-Class-2-Device-12Oct04

[Hasenkopf]

(runs to store for two rolls of aluminum foil, one for the head.....and one for the groin....lol)

[BeSeeingYou]

I missed it the first time around as I was on vacation.  Just read through the whole thing, it's funnier than the Glen Beck Show.   Now Ed wants to have a "test" in order to vote.  My wife's father had an 8th grade education (common for growing up in the 1930's) and never had a diploma or a GED yet he went on to serve in WWII and became a successful businessman.  I guess in Ed World he would not be allowed to vote.  Maybe it could be based on the color of your skin just like in the old days.

[Duke McDukiedook]

Hey Ed, got any tears for us?
That would make Glenn so proud...

[Pinhead]

...My wife's father had an 8th grade education (common for growing up in the 1930's) and never had a diploma or a GED...

Neither did either one of my Granddads. But the subject is not as simple as it seems; a long time ago my dad found one of his dad's old history exams. It was harder than any history test any of us had ever taken and even our high school teachers said they would have had a helluva time passing it.

[Retro Rocket]

WTF has literacy got to do with anything, you are still effected by the same things everyone else is, you still pay tax, hold down a job and have a family..............he has to be kidding doesn't he ?

Mick

[edbikerii]

Hmmmm... I wonder if either of these grand-dads would have voted for a marxist?

...My wife's father had an 8th grade education (common for growing up in the 1930's) and never had a diploma or a GED...

Neither did either one of my Granddads. But the subject is not as simple as it seems; a long time ago my dad found one of his dad's old history exams. It was harder than any history test any of us had ever taken and even our high school teachers said they would have had a helluva time passing it.

[edbikerii]

He who?  If you'll go back through this thread, you'll see that it was Kit who made the suggestion that Americans were too dumb to run their own lives.

I happen to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE -- that the government should stop taking away American's rights to live their own lives.  We shouldn't be treated like a bunch of babies who constantly need to be looked after.

WTF has literacy got to do with anything, you are still effected by the same things everyone else is, you still pay tax, hold down a job and have a family..............he has to be kidding doesn't he ?

Mick

[edbikerii]

Huh?  What are you talking about?

Hey Ed, got any tears for us?
That would make Glenn so proud...

[Gordon]

That's just mean, guys.  Where's the sport in picking on someone who makes it so easy?

[sangyo soichiro]

...My wife's father had an 8th grade education (common for growing up in the 1930's) and never had a diploma or a GED...

Neither did either one of my Granddads. But the subject is not as simple as it seems; a long time ago my dad found one of his dad's old history exams. It was harder than any history test any of us had ever taken and even our high school teachers said they would have had a helluva time passing it.

This is a bit off topic, but the talk about difficult tests reminded me of this.

I went to graduate school for physics.  We took classes for the first two years and then the rest of the Ph.D. is research and dissertation.  A few of the professors were notorious for giving impossibly difficult exams.  I recall in electrodynamics, the tests were so hard that the best student might get only 50%.  And these were take-home tests, not in-class tests, so we had plenty time to do them and could use books and such.   We were not all given F's though... the best score would get the A and the rest would be graded compared to the top score.  I think the professors did that to humble even the best of us.

The final exam for my third semester quantum mechanics course has kind of a funny story to it.  Again, the exam was a take-home, but we were supposed to spend only a certain amount of time on it, starting from the time we opened the test - I think it was 12 hours or something like that, but it had to be turned in by noon on Friday.  Of course, being a slacker, I waited until the night before it was due to start it, so I was up all night trying to do it.  Anyway (here's the funny part), one of the questions had something to do with using "Goldstone's theorem" to prove something or other to do with the "Josephson Effect."  I had a hell of a time and I finally gave up because I couldn't get it.  When I turned in the exam to the professor, I asked about that problem.  He said, "What's wrong, Josephson was only a 21 year old kid when he did it!  Surely you can do the work of a 21 year old kid...." 

...

Yeah, come to find out, that was what Josephson won the Nobel Prize in physics for!  Yes... we were asked to solve the problem that had won Josephson his Nobel Prize....      

[BeSeeingYou]

Hmmmm... I wonder if either of these grand-dads would have voted for a marxist?

...My wife's father had an 8th grade education (common for growing up in the 1930's) and never had a diploma or a GED...

Neither did either one of my Granddads. But the subject is not as simple as it seems; a long time ago my dad found one of his dad's old history exams. It was harder than any history test any of us had ever taken and even our high school teachers said they would have had a helluva time passing it.

Who knows?  In a democracy you are free to vote for whomever you wish.  In the 1930's there was a small minority who supported the Communist Party.