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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #200 on: July 30, 2010, 09:25:21 PM »
Interestingly, according to the same magazine, the best selling touring bike in Oz is a (shock horror) Harley Davidson, outselling all the other brands, including all the Jap "Land Barges".

What are you trying to say here?

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« Reply #201 on: July 31, 2010, 12:56:10 AM »
Generally i find Harley's over priced farm machinery and Terry thinks the same of Jap cruisers, it seems we have reached equilibrium.... ;D

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« Reply #202 on: July 31, 2010, 06:39:54 PM »
ya hurt me terry... and i thought we were buds.  :'(


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seriously terry? i thought i might have said it before, but maybe not, that i'd own a hd if the mood struck. not my first choice but not out of the question either.

i'm no different than many others here, including you, in that i like to tease every once in a while. you can read more into my posts (clearly you have) if you want but i'm not gonna cry myself to sleep over your disapproval. fyi, because this thread went so far away from harmless ribbing i thought about locking it, but for a while i chose to ignore it, thinking it would die off.

if i do have any issue (with the hd culture) it's with those who take the whole image thing way too seriously- hence the point of the video on page one. many of the credit card insta-bikers deserve a good natured ribbing. but then again... whatever floats yer boat is ok with me. i'm tickled people share my interest in machines. but... where i come from if ya stick it out for the world to see, making some statement, etc... expect someone to take that same liberty to say they don't like it or think it's funny.

and as long as we're making personal observations terry i'd like to point out that, in the course of your utterly subjective and over the top psycho analyzing, you have revealed how overly sensitive you are  to criticism, serious or not, of hd. maybe there are those in this thread who fit your professional assessment of harley-phobia but but not here.  truthfully, considering what a tough guy you are, i'm a bit shocked over your thin skin.


Nah, not thin skinned at all Bill, and I apologise for hurting your feelings mate, maybe you've read too deeply into my post? It's just that I get tired of the stereo typing of Harley Davidson's and Harley owners that is so prevalent in this thread, which of course you started mate, with your initial inflammatory swipe at Harleys. A wise man from Queensland recently told me that "stereotyping makes you look ignorant" and he was right, but it appears that it's OK for folks who don't know what they're talking about to "stereotype" Harley's as unreliable, oil leaking, poor handling farm machinery with crap brakes, and the only folk out there who'd consider owning one are Hell's Angels, or Hells Angels wannabes.

The fact is that here in Oz, most of the Harley "demographic" is the over 40's folk who's kids have grown up and moved out, their houses are paid for, and they've got the funds to buy themselves a Harley after years of working hard and "doing the right thing" financially. They like the look and the sound of a Harley, they don't care for "cutting edge technology" and couldn't care less that their bikes make less HP than a modern 600cc Jap "Plastic Racer", which they wouldn't be seen dead on, even if their bad backs would allow them to be able to ride one. Here in Oz, you can go to jail if you ride your bike as fast as these things are capable of, so if you can't enjoy riding one at legal speeds they're largely pointless, and only good for the "My bike's faster than yours, so therefore it must be better" set.

Harley's, on the other hand, are useful "real world" bikes, large, comfortable low revving bikes, capable of propelling their riders along comfortably at legal highway speeds for long distances, with a minimum of fuss. Yeah, Harley's "Quality Control" suffered in the 1970's when the company struggled under the AMF ownership, (of course, quality control was a major issue in the US in the 1970's as any Ford or Chevrolet owner of the era will attest) but that's a long dead issue, and since the release of the "Evolution" engine in the early 1980's, all those stereotypical comments about Harley's build quality are largely just bigotted BS, parroted by people who don't have a clue what they're talking about. You know, the kind of folk who know nothing about anything, but can talk about it all day...............

I don't own a Harley now, but I have owned a 1984 Sporty in the past, and it was a great bike. It started first push of the button, it didn't leak oil, it handled better than a CB750 and almost as good as a Moto Guzzi MK1 Lemans on a ride we did from Melbourne to Bathurst in 1987 when I had the opportunity to ride all three bikes on the 1200 mile round trip. It's disc brakes were as good as the Guzzi's, and it got better fuel economy than both of the other bikes. I've got friends who own Harleys though, they belong to clubs that ride all types of bikes, and I get to trade bikes with them on rides so I regularly ride Harleys, and I don't remember an occasion when one of their bikes failed to finish a ride. None of these guys are "Hells Accountants", they're just good blokes who like riding their Harley's, but they like my CB750's (many have owned them in the past) and my Triumph too, and don't hang sh1t on other guys bikes. Cheers, Terry.  ;D
   
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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #203 on: August 01, 2010, 06:22:21 AM »
The fact is that here in Oz, most of the Harley "demographic" is the over 40's folk who's kids have grown up and moved out, their houses are paid for, and they've got the funds to buy themselves a Harley after years of working hard and "doing the right thing" financially.

You have the data to support this?

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« Reply #204 on: August 01, 2010, 04:40:40 PM »
The fact is that here in Oz, most of the Harley "demographic" is the over 40's folk who's kids have grown up and moved out, their houses are paid for, and they've got the funds to buy themselves a Harley after years of working hard and "doing the right thing" financially.

You have the data to support this?

Don't need data, only need to have a look around, the "mid life crisis" is alive and well down under....
The majority of these bikes that Terry speaks of only get ridden on weekends and don't cover many miles at all.... But they think they look good doing it..... ;D

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« Reply #205 on: August 02, 2010, 02:14:57 AM »

Don't need data, only need to have a look around, the "mid life crisis" is alive and well down under....
The majority of these bikes that Terry speaks of only get ridden on weekends and don't cover many miles at all.... But they think they look good doing it..... ;D

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Still stereotyping Mick? That's disappointing, considering your dislike of folks using stereotypes to "judge" various minorities?

As far as only riding on weekends goes, the vast majority of motorcycle owners only ride their bikes on weekends, so I don't see how that's relevant, I've got a company car so I usually only ride my bikes on weekends, but I still managed to do nearly 10,000 Km on my bikes in the last 12 months, and I've had at least one bike on the road ever since 1977 when I bought my first CB750.

Some guys here haven't had a bike on the road in years, but we shouldn't show them any less respect, just because they're not regular riders, yeah? ;)

The fact is that here in Oz, most of the Harley "demographic" is the over 40's folk who's kids have grown up and moved out, their houses are paid for, and they've got the funds to buy themselves a Harley after years of working hard and "doing the right thing" financially.

You have the data to support this?


You've got a computer mate, do something for yourself and do a search. Let me know if I'm wrong, but I already know the answer........... ;)
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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #206 on: August 02, 2010, 06:20:19 AM »
I can't believe that anyone with even a half a brain would argue that a Harley Sportster handles well or brakes well.  Yes, I've ridden a Sporty, and it was downright frightening.  Worse yet was the 2008 Road King I recently rented on a weekend in Vegas.  The damned thing nearly jumped off the road sideways when I hit a rut in the road -- something my 1986 GoldWing could easily absorb.  The Harley brakes sucked, and the thing handled very poorly when compared to a 1986 Honda GL1200 (yes, a machine that is more than 22 years older than the HD - albeit well maintained).  The brakes were much better than my old CB550, but certainly nowhere near as good as my old GL1200, and a far sight worse than any modern Japanese standard or sport-bike (I've ridden many).

We're talking about one of the most expensive bikes that HD makes, at over $22,000 MSRP accessorized as it was.

Huge fricken rip-off!
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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #207 on: August 02, 2010, 03:50:15 PM »
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Still stereotyping Mick? That's disappointing, considering your dislike of folks using stereotypes to "judge" various minorities?

You placed the owners at " over 40's" mate......stereo typing?

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so I don't see how that's relevant,
 

Hmmm its correct but you see no relevance....strange.  Besides i wasn't going for relevance...

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Some guys here haven't had a bike on the road in years, but we shouldn't show them any less respect, just because they're not regular riders, yeah?


I have no idea what you are trying to say here Terry, all i did was agree with your post and point out the firggin obvious and you know it.....Got all politically correct all of a sudden.?
I have no idea what you are talking about a "lack of respect"  ???
In case you haven't noticed i fit the demographic in question and so do all my mates....
I think you have read far too much into my post mate and did you see the smiley at the end?
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« Reply #208 on: August 02, 2010, 04:58:57 PM »
Retro - What I was saying was that I can get good Dunlop 402 tires that handle well and last a long time for $160 per set installed at a Harley dealer.  Someone try that with a similar displacement bike at the dealer.

Also, I'm not lying on the mpg.  I think that I can smoke any other manufacturer on similar displacement bike.  Recently considered '99 Kawasaki Nomad for light touring bike, but Motorcyclist magazine returned 23-39 mpg with it.  That is ridiculous.  I could get a Honda Civic and do better.  I'm in the 50 mpg range with 2000 H-D SuperGlide loaded on a 2,000 mile trip.  My Sportster with 3.3 gallon tank once hit 160 miles before reserve.  I am getting 170-180 before reserve currently with SuperGlide.  Check your mpg stats on a Yamaha Venture or RoadStar and see where they fall in line.  It may be old tech, but who cares if it works.

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« Reply #209 on: August 02, 2010, 06:40:32 PM »
I give up. There is so much anti-Harley sentiment here that it makes me sick. I don't know what you guys are, but you're not motorcyclists. I'm out of here. :P   
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« Reply #210 on: August 02, 2010, 06:57:19 PM »
if it has two wheels then everything is just a diferent way to get on down the road we all ride what difference does it make what we ride the wind is in your face reminds of some club drama from a few months back
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« Reply #211 on: August 02, 2010, 07:25:56 PM »
Is this thread really still goin on?  :-\
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« Reply #212 on: August 02, 2010, 07:42:42 PM »
Like practically every other opinion thread here,
after about 5 pages, it turns into a p!ssing contest.
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« Reply #213 on: August 02, 2010, 08:39:27 PM »
I started on one of these.

The infamous Zundapp CS50. More reliable than any of that japcrap thanks to true honest german engineering and wayyyy better looking than any harley ever. Especially the prominently displayed single cylinder sets it off as a class on its own. This was the more reliable model due to the three speed handshifted gearbox as opposed to that newfangly dangly fourspeed footbox. Bought it from my dad when it became available through the amsterdam electrical company (then GEB) where it was used as a meter reader bike. Had big leather bags off the side and a greenbottom windshield when I got it. Loved it to death. Rode that bike untill the wheels fell off pretty much all over holland. On the bicycle paths offcourse. Highway is suicide on one of these.. Went bigtime when I finally saved up enough to swap the cylinder for an original german made 80cc.
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« Reply #214 on: August 02, 2010, 08:47:31 PM »
UGH! GERMAN crap! Get it off the stage!!! BOOO!!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #215 on: August 03, 2010, 05:48:49 AM »
It is the best episode of South Park in my opinion.
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« Reply #216 on: August 03, 2010, 05:52:15 AM »
Haha!  That's absolutely hilarious, and soo true!!!

"Why is it that every time we try to have a relaxing day," Cartman declares, "a bunch of a******s on their Harley motorcycles show up?"

I laughed until I cried when I first watched this episode.



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« Reply #217 on: August 16, 2010, 05:53:26 PM »
UGH! GERMAN crap! Get it off the stage!!! BOOO!!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Jawohl herr oberstormbahnfuhrer! Seriously. That Zundapp rocked. Wore the bearings out so bad it would no longer run idle and when it did it would rattle.  Fantastic. 40 whole miles an hour. Deathdefying..
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« Reply #218 on: August 17, 2010, 11:05:27 AM »
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« Reply #219 on: August 18, 2010, 02:11:56 PM »
I've told this story before, but I might as well tell it again here.

When my Dad was young, he owned a 1949 HD Hydra-Glide. 
.....  A 1996 Heritage Softtail.  The bike had only 2,000 miles on it when he got it (not sure why the PO didn't ride it more...).  ...


By the way, wouldn't you think that HD would stand behind their product that (if you could see the bike, you'd agree) had been well taken care of, and had less than 2,500 miles on it?!  Nope!  'Tough #$%* old man!  #$%* you!  We don't care!  We're not even going to give you a stupid HD T-shirt!'



JeeeeSuuus!  That is harsh.   

TBH HDs are overpriced.   I have nothing against them.  But I've heard some dealership horror stories (as well as some good ones).   

There's a local outfit that has two stores that I hear very little good about.  One of them is little more than a T-shirt shop.   Sad as hell as no one should have these #$%*ty experiences with a dealer.   And that is where I'd lay the blame in the above  tale TBH. 

If they couldn't replace your dad's engine in their shop I doubt they were capable of diagnosing what was wrong with it.   An engine swap of any sort is easier than doing diagnostics unless there's a big friggin' hole punched through the bottom of the cases. 

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« Reply #220 on: August 18, 2010, 02:23:54 PM »
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Also, I'm not lying on the mpg.  I think that I can smoke any other manufacturer on similar displacement bike.  Recently considered '99 Kawasaki Nomad for light touring bike, but Motorcyclist magazine returned 23-39 mpg with it.  That is ridiculous.  I could get a Honda Civic and do better.  I'm in the 50 mpg range with 2000 H-D SuperGlide loaded on a 2,000 mile trip.  My Sportster with 3.3 gallon tank once hit 160 miles before reserve.  I am getting 170-180 before reserve currently with SuperGlide.  Check your mpg stats on a Yamaha Venture or RoadStar and see where they fall in line.  It may be old tech, but who cares if it works.

Ya can't compare bike mileage to cage mileage as bikes generate so much drag due to their shapes.   Your figures do make me feel a little better about my old BMW with the sidecar attached.   I get around 25 to 28 mpg on the highway.  But it's hauling around 400lbs of extra load off to the side.  Eats back tires for breakfast.   But I still love the hell out of it.  If I could only get the damn breakdown gremlins to vacate the right cylinder. 

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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #221 on: December 25, 2010, 11:25:40 AM »
why won't this thread die?

LMAO, I searched " build 750 more torque" this came up as 3rd or 4th most relevant hit.

"mid life crisis" is alive and well

Well, a year ago I separated from my wife of 25 years, and took up motorcycles, and dating for the first time in 25 years. for a while there I had 3 girlfriends, 3 motorcycles (and 3 dogs, LOL, the guys at my club nicnamed me Trips)

So in my semi-educated opinion: Motorcycles, women (and dogs)- They're all different, they're all good. :)

Back with my wife now, and happy, but it was an experience. The motorcycle bug didn't go away, though, only got worse.
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« Reply #222 on: December 26, 2010, 08:47:57 AM »
(and 3 dogs, LOL, the guys at my club nicnamed me Trips)

You wants a nice Kwak H2 then.

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« Reply #223 on: January 07, 2011, 08:46:33 AM »
'S been a while since I was on a Harley. I was never a Harley owner, but I had a close freind who had one and I rode it more than a few times. To be honest it felt like a dinosaur compared to my Trump.

BUT...if I had my choice on a road trip of a couple or three hundred miles I would take the Harley, it was a better ride for long distance by far.

Different bikes....that's all.

(although I will admit that the harley is overpriced for what it is.)
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« Reply #224 on: February 27, 2015, 10:24:54 PM »
Good thread.  Good read. 


I don't know what made me look, but have been looking and reading about these harley 48 for the past few days.  Look great.

....then the wife said, sell all my bikes in the backyard, then I could have the 48.....crap
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