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The high-beam during daytime myth
« on: July 29, 2010, 01:47:55 PM »
The idea that riding with the high beam on during the day has bugged me for a long time.  The thought is that oncoming cars will see you better.  I do not agree with this.  My reasoning is that, even during the day, that damn high beam still hurts our eyes (even though your pupil is smaller during the day).  You are forcing the oncoming driver to look away!  Does this seem like a smart thing to do?!  I want that oncoming driver to see me, and keep looking at me!

I was dismayed to learn that they even teach this rubbish in the motorcycle safety course!  (Or, at least, that's what I read online...)  And a Google search only gave me pages upon pages of people swearing by its efficacy (mostly on motorcycle forums), and dubious claims that, 'studies show it works.'  To me, this illustrates the power of how a myth can be repeated and believed and spread without people really stopping to think about what's really going on.  How is blinding someone making them see you better?!  (Not to mention the points raised in the article below...)

I claim that the low beam actually does a better job at making you visible, because it doesn't blind the oncoming driver.

Did you know that according to the law (at least in Michigan, where I live) you must turn off your brights within 500 feet of oncoming traffic?  And it's also illegal to flash an oncoming car to tell them their brights are on (although this is not enforced if it's a very quick on-and-off, so they say...).  For the life of me, I cannot find where the law specifies whether this applies to daytime, or only nighttime.  But the fact that it's not specified suggests it applies at all times.

When I was just about to give up on Google, however, I finally found someone that agreed with me and gave a good explanation.  I copy and link the article below.  The article raises additional points that I didn't address.

And, no doubt, some of you will read this and reply that you are still going to use your brights during the day.  Myths are hard to overcome.   ::)   :P



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Daytime Highbeam Usage: Not the Brightest Idea    May 31, 2007   
It is such a commonly held myth that I, and everyone I know, does it , and advocates it. And it just might get you killed.

Most motorcyclists I have talked to agree that being as visible to other drivers as possible is an essential safety practice. To this end, many advocate the use of their motorcycle’s high beam during daytime riding. This is believed to increase the distance that another driver might notice you, as well as keep their attention throughout the time you are in their sight. It is a plausible idea, and in theory seems the right thing to do. Just a few days ago I was riding as a passenger in a car when I noticed something strange. I saw what I interpreted to be a motorcycle approaching. I say interpreted because, though I would usually not be paying so close attention, I was intent on noticing motorcycles, as these days I am always looking for something to write about, and, while I knew what I was “seeing” was most likely a motorcycle, I could not see the motorcycle. What I saw, or more precisely, what I did not see, was a bright light, and nothing else. I knew it was a bike with its high beam on, but I couldn’t tell you anything else about the bike, because I could not see it. Therein lies the problem.During the day, you can look at any patch of the sky, and assuming that it is not obscured by buildings or clouds, and you are not looking directly at the sun, you will see a blue, starless field. The stars are not gone, they are right there where you are looking, but you cannot see them because your vision is awash in the diffused light of the sun. The US, Canadian, and British Navies tested camouflage concepts during World War II called Active Camouflage or Diffused Lighting Camouflage that used this principle. The idea was a ship’s silhouette stands out against a light background, but by lighting up the ship, the structure blends in with the diffused light of the sky behind it. Recently, armies have experimented with using bright lights to disguise tanks and other vehicles on the horizon.

That same effect occurs when a driver looks directly into the headlight of a motorcyclist using their high beam. Unlike the low beam setting, which intentionally shifts the beam down and to the right, away from oncoming traffic, the high beam setting shines its light directly down and across the road, and into the eyes of the drivers of oncoming vehicles. This is why the law says you must turn off your high beams within a certain distance of approaching traffic, and why vehicles must have a high beam indicator, and the law makes no distinction as to the time of day when addressing this subject. Motorcyclists may think that the law only applies at night, since it is silent on the subject, and that daytime use is both acceptable and an appropriate safety practice.

What actually happens, often enough, is that when a motorcyclist leaves their high beam on as they approach another car, they become a white fog of light. Unfortunately, this is often interpreted by the driver’s brain as meaning nothing is there. If the brain can’t see it, and the driver is already not paying attention, he or she is almost certain not to see the motorcycle. Even if the driver is alert enough to be aware of the presence of another vehicle, the masking effect of the light may make it impossible to judge things like speed, lane position, or even the motorcycle’s use of a turn signal. This can lead to drivers turning left in front of a motorcycle they did not see or could not judge speed and distance on, among other things.

This phenomena seems most troublesome on motorcycles with the standard, large diameter bowl type round headlights favored on cruiser type motorcycles. A possible solution to the problem may lay in a uniquely “motorcyclish” product, the headlamp modulator. This relatively cheap and easy to install device rapidly alternates between high and low beam, displaying as a flashing or pulsing light that drivers have come to associate with emergency vehicles, and so are trained to pay more attention to them, not less. As far as I know these devices are legal in California, as they are widely used out here and I have not heard of anyone crossing paths with the police due to one.

So if you are a motorcyclist, the next time you throw a leg over your ride and head out, resist the temptation to switch on the high beam and forget it. Take a more active role in your own safety and manually toggle the high beam on and off when approaching traffic you're concerned about, or better yet, buy a modulator. And for the drivers reading this, when you are driving, especially when you are going to turn across traffic, make sure you actively see that not only is their nothing on the road, but that you can see what lay beyond the road. Because that nothing you think you are seeing might just be the motorcycle you hit.



Here are a couple other articles, though not specific to motorcycles, and not specific to the daytime high beam.  But informative nonetheless.
http://www.freep.com/article/20080721/COL12/807210338/A-bright-idea--Why-don%5C-t-you-turn-off-your-high-beams
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/08/26/high_beams_brought_to_light/


(Judging from the overwhelming support of this practice on the internet and motorcycle forums and people I've met in person, I have no doubt that I'm in the minority on this issue.  Donning flame suit now....)
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2010, 01:54:42 PM »
I use a 15W auto dome light bulb in my headlight. --along with a 5AH battery-and kick only.
Cuts down on battery drain--daytime riding only.
High beam not a factor, of course.
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2010, 02:04:42 PM »
Well, not sure I agree. I've come upon many a car (and biker) with high-beam on, on a bright sunny day and I do notice them, but relative to the surrounding ambient light it never blinded me or distracted me. Night time, that's another matter.
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 02:07:23 PM »
Now  a days it is difficult to tell if someone has their highbeam on if
they are using one of them special bulbs.
Drives me nuts when getting blinded during daytime driving. :'(
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 02:13:58 PM »
I have definitely had to look away from both cars and motorcycles with their high beams on during the day.  I wouldn't say it's blinding, but it's not easy to look at and is distracting.  It's not something I do and didn't realize it was such a widely held belief.

I also have mixed feelings on the headlight modulators that some motorcyclists use.  

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 02:38:41 PM »
seeing as i still have the stock, WEAK, correctly aimed, 35/55w lamp, am i REALLY blinding with my high beam on during the day, compared to all the cars on the road with 55/65w halogen and HID's?  ::)

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 02:47:38 PM »
seeing as i still have the stock, WEAK, correctly aimed, 35/55w lamp, am i REALLY blinding with my high beam on during the day, compared to all the cars on the road with 55/65w halogen and HID's?  ::)

i think not...

Please think again.  The high beam pattern is supposed cover the entire road, which puts it into oncoming eyes.  The low beam shifts the projection down and to the right away from oncoming eyes.  It is just as important in the day as night.

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 03:56:37 PM »
you will be seen with a high beam
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 04:16:43 PM »
No, I disagree with the "seen as a white fog, interpreted as nothing there" premise.  Not until I see some citations more than just his claim that "armies have experimented with it".  That's no different a claim than "studies have shown"...

I've never once been blinded during the daytime.  Like Bob Wessner noted, I've seen 'em, sure, but relative to the ambient light, it has not been "blinding".  But, in the dark, when there's no other lights around, then you're blinded.

In fact, I've had cars approach at night with their high beams on on very brightly lit up suburban streets (like very busy commercial streets, with shopping centers lots of other cars and bright sodium-vapor street lights every 50 feet), and the high beams are MUCH less blinding than they would be on a dark two-lane country road with just you and him.

Sorry, I'm just not buying it. 

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 04:36:30 PM »
I have always had trouble with bright light and prefer to ride during the day, high beam during the day is just as bright for me as at night. Try and see a bike that is riding at you with the sun at his back and high beam on......yep, invisible. I am not a big advocate of lights on during daylight hours, especially high beam...

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 04:44:42 PM »
Makes a big difference if the oncoming driver is wearing prescription glasses.
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2010, 04:53:15 PM »
Yeah, but how can you tell if he's wearing glasses or not?   :D

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2010, 05:01:22 PM »
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2010, 06:02:47 PM »
We had this topic in a previous thread, but I'm glad to jump in and say ; highbeams 'on' daytime is ignorant and still blinds oncoming traffic, makes you a nuisance on the road and the worst perps are HD riders with those 3 headlights on 'high'.... absolutely makes oncoming drivers look away from you, opposite to what you want.... if you act like your the most important person on the road, good luck you may get hurt !! ( Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine, can ya tell ! ).
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2010, 06:48:00 PM »
We had this topic in a previous thread, but I'm glad to jump in and say ; highbeams 'on' daytime is ignorant and still blinds oncoming traffic, makes you a nuisance on the road and the worst perps are HD riders with those 3 headlights on 'high'.... absolutely makes oncoming drivers look away from you, opposite to what you want.... if you act like your the most important person on the road, good luck you may get hurt !! ( Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine, can ya tell ! ).

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I'm an instructor for rider training, and I can tell you that our organization definitely advocates ONLY low beam use during the daytime.  Here in Ontario, as it seems also in many other jurisdictions, it is illegal to operate high beams within a prescribed distance, either for on-coming traffic or when following another vehicle. 

I can also state that as a motorcycle instructor, I stand in front of oncoming students to give them a signal for either stopping or swerving in an indicated direction.  Its important that the signals are given at the appropriate time for the exercise and in the testing section, i.e just as the motorcycle approaches a particular spot.  Sometimes the high beam is inadvertently switched on instead of low beam, and even in the bright daylight when that happens - it is very annoying and distracting, making it extremely difficult to signal properly.


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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2010, 07:50:25 PM »
i think lites in general are marginal in helping.  but what do I know.
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2010, 09:00:27 PM »
i think lites in general are marginal in helping.  but what do I know.

I have to agree to a certain extent.  I think the glowing orb of a low beam on the front of my bike may make me somewhat more noticeable to other drivers, but in the end it's defensive riding that keeps me out of the hospital/morgue. 

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2010, 09:24:58 PM »
The Honda shop owner told us to do that in 73 when my new 500 went through 2 headlights in as many weeks. Wear out the high during the day and the low at night. Right ? wrong? still what we were told then.
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2010, 11:08:00 PM »
I always notice when girls have their hi-beams on in the daytime..
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2010, 12:06:12 AM »
I hate high beams in my eyes and don't do it to others.

My low beam light recently burnt out. I don't ride on Island at night so no big deal.

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2010, 12:14:06 AM »
seeing as i still have the stock, WEAK, correctly aimed, 35/55w lamp, am i REALLY blinding with my high beam on during the day, compared to all the cars on the road with 55/65w halogen and HID's?  ::)

i think not...
55/65watt in cars?,  i run 100/130 halogen in my 4 head lamp car,the inboard pair are 150 watts so my high beam is 2x130 + 2x150 =560 watts,im a little night blind.in the bike i have 55/65.the difference between 55 and 65 isnt much its more the aiming of the high beam i think.those little flashing bicycle leds are bright during the day.

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2010, 05:40:55 AM »
Here's where I differ from these ideas.  The idea of headlights on during the day still puts the burden of safety in someone else's hands.  I like a more proactive approach, what my circle of friends refer to as "Enlightened Paranoia".  Being on your game 110%, and see the other guy, almost before he's there.  Expecting someone to run a stop at any given intersection.  These practices have made me a better driver, regardless of how many wheels are under me.

But also, my little 350 has an upgraded headlight (55/60), and doesn't have enough juice to charge the battery if the headlight is on.
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2010, 05:52:31 AM »
I've been thinking it was a bad idea to ride with the high beam on since I've been seeing motorcycles coming the other way with their highs on.  It does hurt my eyes and yes I do look away, especially if it's a shaded area of the road surrounded by trees for example.  Didn't realize so many people (relatively speaking) also thought it was a bad idea.

I've heard the high beams advised in general and the official MA motorcycle handbook says it's something you should do.

The article listed above seems a bit fishy though.  The high beam doesn't disguise an oncoming vehicle for me, it just makes it harder to look at so I'm not watching it directly.  I might not see the motorcycle is about to turn in front of me as soon but I wouldn't be more likely to turn in front of him myself.  But I can't speak for how it would effect other people.  Personally I'll stick with using my low beams and expecting everyone else on the road to do something stupid.
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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2010, 07:37:43 AM »
Personally I'll stick with using my low beams and expecting everyone else on the road to do something stupid.

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Re: The high-beam during daytime myth
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2010, 09:08:59 AM »
People are like deer, instead of looking above at the rider or through the windshield of the car to see where the driver is looking, at the ground, at the sky, his cell phone, etc. they stare right at the light bulb! ::). Run on the assumption that all vehicle operators aren't looking at all and are really not in control of their vehicle and it doesn't matter if you are high or low. It will save you.
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