Topic: Today Hush got "road raged"!

[NickC]

The Rambo thing is never the way to go. I do choose to defend my family though. They are two completely different perspectives...

[BobbyR]

Bobby it's not a bad little place it's got one of just about everything and even though I'm a city boy I don't miss the ant heap that the cities have become, if I wanted to become part of the colony I might move back, my kids are suggesting that it might be handy if when it's time I move into a "Retirement Home" in the city close to them, I don't know, I'm kind of a independent old thing and the city may not be able to cope.
Bill the demon.

Well Bill I am only 11 years behind you. I live 50 Miles from the Empire State Building, in a safe community. The wife and I have been thinking about a place to squat when the wife and I hang it up. My parents are 91 and 87 so in some time in the near future we will have to move them to a good assisted living place. I don;t want warehouse them just make sure they are safe. Honor your little Town.

[Hush]

Mick, we finished his CB400RR and then he lost interest so sold it, the goober who bought it raced it home and on the motorway the left fairing became airborne taking half the front with it.
Goober then wanted $200 bucks back cos this happened at 160klmph!
My boy visited him (in uniform patrol car at the gate ) and the goober decided that admitting to Police he was doing 60 klmph over the road speed limit kinda nullified his claim.

[Retro Rocket]

Mick, we finished his CB400RR and then he lost interest so sold it, the goober who bought it raced it home and on the motorway the left fairing became airborne taking half the front with it.
Goober then wanted $200 bucks back cos this happened at 160klmph!
My boy visited him (in uniform patrol car at the gate ) and the goober decided that admitting to Police he was doing 60 klmph over the road speed limit kinda nullified his claim.

HAHA...funny stuff mate.....

Mick

[Don R]

Seriously, no sarcasm or anything intended, I have been wondering about the success rate of taking illegal weapons from the criminal element. In those countries that have outlawed firearms has it worked? Just wondering if our european and down under friends can comment.
 In the US we can't seem to eliminate illegal drugs and dealers so I don't believe we can disarm the criminals either.

[Grnrngr]

Outside of the Netherlands, I think illegal drugs are pretty much illegal everywhere too, but I'm pretty sure they still exist everywhere as well, not to mention legal, but "abusable", pharmaceuticals. It seems to be only in the US that we declare "WAR" on things and create a national ruckus for political purposes....

[Hush]

They (the criminals) have very little access to firearms here in NZ, the odd stolen shotgun cut down plus some older ex WW2 pistols and I have seen a Klashnicov (sic) locally but the gang told me they couldn't get it to work and eventually it was discovered by the Police when their HQ was raided.
I'm pretty happy that our level of unlawful gun ownership is so low.

[dave500]

pistols/revolvers have always been hard/harder to obtain here in aus and require club membership,rifles/shot guns were easy so to speak but a license was required,its harder now since martin bryant had a bad brain day,all semi auto firearms had to be surrendered australia wide and i think bolt action magazines limited to five rounds?when i got my shooter license in the late 70s,i went to the police station,showed my id and they gave it to me,i then went to kmart and bought a 22 and two boxes of ammo,is it still like that in some states in the us?i already had a 1919 303!you didnt need to show any id to buy ammo,now you need id and a license to buy air rifle pellets!i still have a 1907 pattern smle bayonette with scabbard etc,its 1942 though,and you cant own bayonettes in victoria unless you are a licensed collector or its a family heirloom,i sold all my rifles in the mid 80s when i settled down and didnt camp/shoot so much,,before we were forced to "hand em in"thanks bryant you wasted phuck.im glad at times it was enforced,we have losers here in aus aswell you know,and i think if the law was suddenly reversed i think a lot of people would go off when drunk etc and just cause grief,accidents etc,i think now to get a permit you sit a saftey exam,gun shops all went broke,i went to a gun shop about two months ago to get a lead pellet to replace a main jet well plug on a qjet auto carburettor,i had to be "buzzed in"once the guy looked at me.,he just gave it to me and was quite interested in my non gun use of a 22 slug.,i had the carb body with me.

[rhos1355]

They (the criminals) have very little access to firearms here in NZ, the odd stolen shotgun cut down plus some older ex WW2 pistols and I have seen a Klashnicov (sic) locally but the gang told me they couldn't get it to work and eventually it was discovered by the Police when their HQ was raided.
I'm pretty happy that our level of unlawful gun ownership is so low.

So, how did you guys manage that? The UK is supposed to be a "gunless society" but loads of crimes are still perpetrated with the use of firearms. The consequences of being in possession of an unlicensed firearm are pretty severe; minimum 5 years imprisonment. But there still seems to be, according to Police/Media reports, lots of gun related violence. Doesn't help our image when every now and then some d*ckhead with a mega sized chip on his shoulder goes on a shooting rampage and kills people. Usually with his fully licensed shotgun.

[BobbyR]

They (the criminals) have very little access to firearms here in NZ, the odd stolen shotgun cut down plus some older ex WW2 pistols and I have seen a Klashnicov (sic) locally but the gang told me they couldn't get it to work and eventually it was discovered by the Police when their HQ was raided.
I'm pretty happy that our level of unlawful gun ownership is so low.

So, how did you guys manage that? The UK is supposed to be a "gunless society" but loads of crimes are still perpetrated with the use of firearms. The consequences of being in possession of an unlicensed firearm are pretty severe; minimum 5 years imprisonment. But there still seems to be, according to Police/Media reports, lots of gun related violence. Doesn't help our image when every now and then some d*ckhead with a mega sized chip on his shoulder goes on a shooting rampage and kills people. Usually with his fully licensed shotgun.

It is quite simple. The IRA raised funds by selling off excess weapons they purchased or were given. It was/is a nice cash business. More patrol cops in London and other major cities are quietly carrying handguns.

During the Vietnam War it was a thriving business to barter bunches of captured AK-47s and ammo to merchant ships for cash or other goods. I would imagine these guns were resold in the home port.

When something is forbidden it makes it more lucrative. Prohibition funded the growth of the Mafia here is the US giving them huge amounts of cash to expand. 

[Cuts Crooked]

Interesting discussion!

I don't spend much time thinking about it.... if you can see me, I am armed. Been that way for many years. Never needed to use it (on a person). Hope I never do!

But it's like a line from some movie, I forget which one, "Think of it like a condom. I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it."

Curious, I seem to recall reading that every state in America that has recently enacted concealed carry laws has seen a reduction in violent crime? I also seem to recall that London is vying with Washington DC for the title of "Murder Capital of the World"? All of which may be NRA propaganda of course

I would take issue with those who comment on the validity of a 334 year old document though. Our Supreme Court RECENTLY affirmed that the the RKBAs is an individual right in the Heller case....in Washington DC, one of the most restrictive areas in America concerning firearms.  (has anyone heard if they have their CC regs in place yet?)

[Skunk Stripe]

So where are you all getting this 334 number? The constitution itself is only 223 years old. Even if you go by the articles of confederation, you still only have 233 years. Just before that was the declaration of independence. Before that were were still british colonies so I think someones math was just a bit skewed.

[Cuts Crooked]

Yer right Skunk, I wuz using someone else math up above. My apologies

(See what happens when you depend on someone else?  )

[Hush]

I read somewhere that you have more chance of being shot dead in heartland America than the soldiers in Afganistan?
Could that still be true?

[TwoTired]

I read somewhere that you have more chance of being shot dead in heartland America than the soldiers in Afganistan?
Could that still be true?

No, and never was actually.
It may be only if you pick and chose what is in your statistical database, and what message you want to distribute.  If you want an anti gun message, you can refine numbers to illustrate whatever fear and outrage you wish to instill.

Remember the old "9 out of 10 Doctors recommend" advertising?  Without any mention of the Doctors receiving free samples to distribute and recommend?  Or for that matter, what the total population of doctors that were surveyed, or if the entire sample base was considered in the final "findings".

People are so easily manipulated, many times without them ever noticing it.

Another example are the toothpaste commercials.  See them demonstrate putting as much paste on the brush that can possibly fit?
Never mind you only need half that amount on the brush to be effective.  It teaches the viewer (and their children) not only the brand to chose but to use twice as much as needed.  Today's advertising seldom provides product data, only images and comments that appeal to the baser human instincts and associate those products with those instincts.  It's is a proven technique to sell product AND ideology.

Take a good look at how the US is presented in foreign country "news shows".  Do you see predominately negative "reports" relative to that of your own country?  Or that, policies outside of where you live presented as "outrageous"?  Their is a reason for that.
It boils down to keeping people being happy where they are.  A happy, stable, populace is more easily "guided".
Actually, I'd like to hear from other countries constituents, if they EVER hear something good about the USA.  If not, you might ask why that is, or why the US isn't reported in the same ratio as events in your own country?

I'm not saying our mainstream media is any better, as negative news sells better than positive news (except at the very end of the the "news show"), and it is controlled by media barons who have their own agenda to forward.  But, if your media is controlled by your government, why would they say anything good about foreign countries?

Cheers,

[Hush]

Did you know TT that 9 out of 10 doctors who tried camels actually preferred women?

[Blueridgerunner]

I read somewhere that you have more chance of being shot dead in heartland America than the soldiers in Afganistan?
Could that still be true?

 As a retired Sheriff I can tell you that it's absolutely  not true. There are places, primarily, but not exclusively, in big cities (in any country) that the above statement might apply. People here on this thread are locked in their opinions and nothing said here is going to change their minds. Keep this in mind however: The police can't protect you 24/7 in most cases unless they happen upon the crime in progress. They will, however, come out after the fact and investigate. Like it or not folks, that is a fact. One other thing, people who go through the process of obtaining a CWP aren't the problem. The bad guys don't get permits. Sure, they could break in to my home and steal my gun, at least they can try   . I seldom carry mine, but like the fact that I can if I want. I refuse to be a victim . You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. On the other hand, if some thug tries to do violence to me or someone else in my presence...
the aforementioned quote might become valid.  

[demon78]

TT that is a complex subject here in Canada. We are inundated with American news, entertainment and political "thought"? This is because of the proximity of the population to the border, we also get a fair amount of stuff on our own networks because of your size and supposed position in the worlds hierarchy, some of analysis is definitely presented as "Oh my God" there they go again, some is presented as "Oh they are so wonderful" why can't we be them and other is presented as "our brothers are doing this" with an explanation if what you are doing is thought to be obscure to most Canadians, I think the problem starts because of the media coming across the border, add to that our own media mix and we are inundated with Americanism, not to bad, but we are not Americans and we have to find our own solutions to the worlds problems. I personally jump on you guys because of the assumptions you make that your way is # 1, maybe but I and others need a secound opinion, and a third opinion to make up our own minds. Hope this adds light not static.
Bill the demon.
Ps I think all news services are lazy and just grab what they want off of other news services rather than doing their own leg work.

[Blueridgerunner]

The NY Times motto "All the news that's fit to print" could be changed for a lot of others to All the news to print that fits   

[Hush]

Yes true Bill, we here in New Zealand are often amazed that tourists believeing NZ to be a "safe" country get robbed, raped and even murdered.
I think we need to be more realistic in our tourist warnings, we have a certain segment of our community that see rich tourists as easy pickings and like all other areas of the world there are some places in NZ I wouldn't go even in the light of day.
Explorers have been getting killed for visiting NZ since the 1800's.

[BobbyR]

I read somewhere that you have more chance of being shot dead in heartland America than the soldiers in Afganistan?
Could that still be true?

 As a retired Sheriff I can tell you that it's absolutely  not true. There are places, primarily, but not exclusively, in big cities (in any country) that the above statement might apply. People here on this thread are locked in their opinions and nothing said here is going to change their minds. Keep this in mind however: The police can't protect you 24/7 in most cases unless they happen upon the crime in progress. They will, however, come out after the fact and investigate. Like it or not folks, that is a fact. One other thing, people who go through the process of obtaining a CWP aren't the problem. The bad guys don't get permits. Sure, they could break in to my home and steal my gun, at least they can try   . I seldom carry mine, but like the fact that I can if I want. I refuse to be a victim . You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. On the other hand, if some thug tries to do violence to me or someone else in my presence...
the aforementioned quote might become valid.  

I agree with Ridgerunner having spent some time as a PO.  I too have a CWP and I seldom carry as I feel comfortable where I live. Having said that, like Runner I refuse to be a victim.

Hey Runner I am a Thompson fan also: Red hair and black leather, my favourite colour scheme"
And he pulled her on behind and down to Boxhill they did ride

[BobbyR]

TT that is a complex subject here in Canada. We are inundated with American news, entertainment and political "thought"? This is because of the proximity of the population to the border, we also get a fair amount of stuff on our own networks because of your size and supposed position in the worlds hierarchy, some of analysis is definitely presented as "Oh my God" there they go again, some is presented as "Oh they are so wonderful" why can't we be them and other is presented as "our brothers are doing this" with an explanation if what you are doing is thought to be obscure to most Canadians, I think the problem starts because of the media coming across the border, add to that our own media mix and we are inundated with Americanism, not to bad, but we are not Americans and we have to find our own solutions to the worlds problems. I personally jump on you guys because of the assumptions you make that your way is # 1, maybe but I and others need a secound opinion, and a third opinion to make up our own minds. Hope this adds light not static.
Bill the demon.
Ps I think all news services are lazy and just grab what they want off of other news services rather than doing their own leg work.

Demon, I have traveled to Canada a great deal and I have never felt any personal animosity being from the States. You are in fact an American, since we live on the same continent.

I used to listen to the CBC a great deal and it took me a while to understand the venom some caller to these shows had for the States. You could chalk it up to envy, but I think it runs deeper than that. The US is a tough place to live next to, the US has always been an aggressive place. You have a larger Country, but we have a larger population and we have more climate zones. You are "Americanized", we drive the same cars, you wear the same clothes, you watch the same TV, Music, and Movies. Interestingly enough a lot of the top entertainers are Canadians.
I sense an Identity crisis and the question is, what is a Canadian?, how do you differentiate yourselves from your neighbor? I have tried to put myself in your shoes when I have been up there, and I cannot find all that much difference. I could live there and just feel like I am in another Town, I mean this in a good way. The two Countries grew up at the same time in parallel, so the sameness is inevitable. It is a tough question.

Quebec is another matter.

[demon78]

Bobby I don't know if you have ever read "The Ugly American" that syndrome may be part of it also Hollywood propagandizes things that happened with us and makes them American which causes hard feelings and may count for some of the venom, it will be interesting to see what Wikileaks releases about diplomatic relations between our countries, as far as being American, I've live in California and the similarities are profound but even there I to have run across venom about being Canadian, being asked why I was stealing jobs and why wasn't I going to fight in South East Asia, why I was a communist, after a bit,  my standard answer to those type of questions was that I was doing missionary work amongst the savages or penance. It's not a question that will be easily answered. Ps the thing about fighting was that I would say with my rank and trade grouping I was holding out for the best offer and that would shut some of the idiots down.
Bill the demon.

[Gordon]

I'd just like to put this out there, because in pretty much any discussion on this topic and forum the idea that "I refuse to be a victim" seems to come up to support carrying a firearm. 


Not carrying a gun does not equal Being a victim


I say this as someone who supports the right to legally carry a weapon, while also choosing not to carry one. 

Of course, as the average citizen, there is the very slight chance that carrying a firearm on you at all times of your life will one day prove to be life-saving.  There is also the chance that even doing that won't be enough.  Each of us has to choose where we draw the line at what lengths we're willing to go to on a daily basis on the off-chance that it will someday pay off. 

I draw the line at carrying a gun, but that doesn't mean I'm automatically a victim or that I have no other options in a life-or-death situation.  You may choose to carry a gun, but that doesn't automatically mean you won't be a victim or that something else wouldn't have been a better choice. 
   
 

[BobbyR]

Bobby I don't know if you have ever read "The Ugly American" that syndrome may be part of it also Hollywood propagandizes things that happened with us and makes them American which causes hard feelings and may count for some of the venom, it will be interesting to see what Wikileaks releases about diplomatic relations between our countries, as far as being American, I've live in California and the similarities are profound but even there I to have run across venom about being Canadian, being asked why I was stealing jobs and why wasn't I going to fight in South East Asia, why I was a communist, after a bit,  my standard answer to those type of questions was that I was doing missionary work amongst the savages or penance. It's not a question that will be easily answered. Ps the thing about fighting was that I would say with my rank and trade grouping I was holding out for the best offer and that would shut some of the idiots down.
Bill the demon.

I lived in California for a couple of years, and outside LA and San Francisco it is a pretty right wing State. I am from the NY Metro area so it is different. I guess the harboring of Draft evaders during Vietnam may have had something to do with it.

What I expect Wikileaks will reveal is the kinds of deals Politicians make between each other. Henry Kissinger is quoted as saying "Countries do not have friends, they have interests". Canada is short on people for it's size and big on natural resources. So, I am sure there were hundreds of deals were made. I bought a Pontiac 6000 years ago and the whole thing was made in Canada including the tires. (Best GM car I ever owned.)

With both Countries adjoining each other with a UK heritage, how could they not be intertwined economically and socially? Come to NYC and no one will notice you are Canadian, take a ride to the Sarasota Florida and hang out with all your fellow Canadians. Spent a afternoon fishing off a pier with the former GM of the Goodyear plant up there.

Enjoy your pretty little Town, we are doing OK down here.