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Re: If it works good, it looks good...right?
« Reply #225 on: September 07, 2015, 06:16:24 AM »
Obviously, this thread has not been updated in a really loooooooonnnnnnnng time.  I got sidetracked (and am still being sidetracked) by several other bikes, half of which are not even sohc4s.   On top of that, I had 2 crashed hard drives and lost access to two photo sharing accounts...lost a lot of photos.  After several confusing distractions, this thread is going to only be about the very first sohc4 I ever owned.  It is pictured in the very first post in this thread.  It has been off the road for almost 3 years now.  It is now getting rather close to being rideable.   I am just going to jump in with the pictures that I have and try and get this thread caught up.
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« Reply #226 on: September 07, 2015, 06:35:49 AM »
so here is the basic overview Febuary 2015...
DSCN0451 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
...swingarm choices...here we have a K1, a K6, and the Carpy made Dresda copy...
DSCN0451 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
I chose the Dresda copy even though I don't feel it is significantly stronger or lighter.  Carpy's quality is bad enough that I may go back to a stocker or something better that may come along...it does look cool and has fresh bronze bushings...
Here it is fitted up with some Ikon adjustables...
DSCN0460 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
spent an hour or 2 looking through my spares for a useable, early model collar.  The early collars are desireable for their better greasability and zerk access.  The best one I found is top in both pics, high mileage one that was on the bike bottom.  Note the severe gouges in the second pic.  The bottom, high mileage one also measures like an egg.
DSCN0456 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
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« Reply #227 on: September 07, 2015, 06:47:07 AM »
I did have to fiddle around with the axle spacers, as it appears this swingarm was designed to accommodate the F model equipment.
DSCN0464 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
DSCN0465 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
in the process of modifying some spare stock spacers to work on my little lathe, I whipped up some spacers for the lower, rear motor mount, as I will not be using the stock footpegs.
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« Reply #228 on: September 07, 2015, 07:15:58 AM »
I had a hard time deciding what I wanted to do with the frame.  The original paint was in "presentable rider" condition with the bruises and scratches of a couple engine swaps, general road wear, and a few minor touch ups from minor frame mods.  I finally decided that I wanted this bike to be nicer overall than how the frame presented and tore everything down to the bare.
DSCN0542 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
I have opted to postpone any extra bracing for now, as I feel the stock frame is good enough for the power I will be making on the street.  I also feel that any "frame kit" is a bad idea and pulling the engine isn't that big of a nightmare.  We will see if my attitude changes after my junkyard motor sucks down a couple camshafts and spews oil from every seam.  I have removed the helmet hooks and hinges for the cafe seat that I have been using.  I also used this Hondaman tip for engine installation and removal ease.
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DSCN0545 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
I then got busy sanding every nook and cranny for paint...did 100, 150, 220, 320 all by hand...
DSCN0546 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
My theory on stripping is if it doesn't sand off, leave it, as it will just make a good base for what comes next
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« Reply #229 on: September 07, 2015, 07:38:32 AM »
Sean what's the caliper from?
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« Reply #230 on: September 07, 2015, 08:54:17 AM »
I had a Carpy but replaced it with a more legit CMR Racing boxed swingarm.  I found the Carpy model to be more of a cosmetic (and heavy) piece.

Is that a F2/F3 front?
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: If it works good, it looks good...right?
« Reply #231 on: September 07, 2015, 01:41:34 PM »
Guys, frontend that is pictured and that will be used is '75 or '76 (don't think there is any difference) GL1000.

As far as that Carpy arm, if I detect any less performance than a proper functioning stocker, it will be ditched.  And as far as that goes, I have been told by several more knowledgeable than me, that the stock cb750 arm, when it is setup correctly with nice tight bushings and collar, is one of the better designs of its generation.  Always on the look out for improvements that don't break my piggy bank though.
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« Reply #232 on: September 07, 2015, 02:47:11 PM »
Sean,

Are you using stock length GL fork tubes and springs?  The GL front was designed for a 585-pound bike versus the CB750 weighing in at approximately 520 lbs.  Depending on how much weight you are shaving off with your bike, the weight differential could be more.  Just something to think about if you get new fork springs for the GL.  When I did my conversion, I went to lighter sprung fork springs.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: If it works good, it looks good...right?
« Reply #233 on: September 07, 2015, 02:55:27 PM »
Sean,

Are you using stock length GL fork tubes and springs?  The GL front was designed for a 585-pound bike versus the CB750 weighing in at approximately 520 lbs.  Depending on how much weight you are shaving off with your bike, the weight differential could be more.  Just something to think about if you get new fork springs for the GL.  When I did my conversion, I went to lighter sprung fork springs.
yup, have read all up on this and all the right parts will eventually be acquired.  Didn't you also buy shorter tubes?
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« Reply #234 on: September 07, 2015, 03:13:15 PM »
So, with the frame sanded to perfection, I had my body shop buddy shoot it with an epoxy primer and then a gloss black industrial paint.  When I got it back, my jaw dropped...really glad I, errr rather he, painted the frame.
DSCN0689 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
DSCN0690 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
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« Reply #235 on: September 07, 2015, 03:21:00 PM »
Man, that frame looks good shiny like that!
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« Reply #236 on: September 07, 2015, 03:23:06 PM »
Didn't you also buy shorter tubes?

Yes, that's why I really needed to go with a lighter spring rate.  I went down in length about 1.18" so it was like having a built in preload.  I ended up using a lighter weight fork oil and spring rate.  Initially, it was oversprung.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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« Reply #237 on: September 07, 2015, 03:41:28 PM »
So with some major inspirational progress, time to get an engine buttoned up...pictured here just needing the valve train assembled.  The goal for this engine was to use Hondaman's "replacing the horsepower lost over the years" section from his book and see how it runs.   So it is first oversize, with intake rubbers port matched to carbs, and cleaned up ports, F3 cam with early non-retained rocker shafts and towers, KO ignition advancer with (yet to be sourced) Hondaman ignition, and probably some more goodies I am forgetting as I have been slowly piecing this engine together for the last three years.
DSCN0692 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
F3 cam
DSCN0693 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
continuing matte aluminum theme here as done throughout the rest of the bike.  Basically, I sand with say 100, 150, 220 grits, then hit it with red scotchbrite and neverdull.  Engine bolt kit from ebay vendor AlloyBoltz is very nice and a bargain.
DSCN0708 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
engine case paint is Honda o.e.m., cylinders is unknown, I just cleaned it and they looked ok, head is duplicolor satin black engine enamel baked in my kitchen and then polished the fins...
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« Reply #238 on: September 07, 2015, 03:55:50 PM »
Didn't you also buy shorter tubes?

Yes, that's why I really needed to go with a lighter spring rate.  I went down in length about 1.18" so it was like having a built in preload.  I ended up using a lighter weight fork oil and spring rate.  Initially, it was oversprung.
to get this on the road I plan to use the original GL tubes and springs, slid up in the trees the appropriate amount to get the rake and trail right, I have a notebook with my figures down at my shop...guessing for best results I will want to do as you have and would like to do cartridge emulators too...I would really appreciate your thoughts and impressions of how your front end performs....right now I just gotta get this thing riding as it has been off the road for nearly 3 years.  I am much better at gradually improving one part at a time on a running riding bike than building some kind of master piece from the ground up.
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« Reply #239 on: September 07, 2015, 04:21:29 PM »
I can understand wanting to get the bike roadworthy ASAP.  I think you should have less issues, since you are using original length tubes and old springs. 

I had the slightly shorter tubes, Race Tech valve emulators, brand new springs and new fork oil, so it was sprung for a heavier bike with about an inch of preload -- resulting in an oversprung bike.  The ride was too harsh -- not compliant enough when riding on poor road conditions. 

When I swapped out the springs, the bike had enough compliance to better deal with potholes and bumps and still track well. 

I think that to a degree, by using the old springs the front will have some extra give, but it may be a little bouncy.  When you get to rebuilding the front, just call Race Tech and give the the specs of the bike (weight and whether you are running stock vs. shorter tubes).  If necessary, they can even do a custom wound spring.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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« Reply #240 on: September 07, 2015, 04:23:47 PM »
Man, that frame looks good shiny like that!

I think so too.  I predict after a couple unexpected rainstorms, road grime, and cleaning it will end up looking very stock...having a body shop buddy is a very good thing.  That's him on the left in the red...Mr. Michael Guerrella.  He painted these F1 Frankenbike  sidecovers too...
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« Reply #241 on: September 07, 2015, 04:35:44 PM »
It's ALWAYS good to have a painter as a friend!
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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« Reply #242 on: September 07, 2015, 04:47:44 PM »
Hey Sean your top triple tree is in progress right now. Once it's finished getting machined I will make a trip over to drop it off to see how it looks in its new home.
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Vintage Speed Parts Mashup: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=133638.0
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« Reply #243 on: September 07, 2015, 05:16:38 PM »
Hey Sean your top triple tree is in progress right now. Once it's finished getting machined I will make a trip over to drop it off to see how it looks in its new home.
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« Reply #244 on: September 07, 2015, 05:48:26 PM »
Nice frame and motor, and nice Interceptor in the background, what size?...Larry

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« Reply #245 on: September 07, 2015, 06:02:17 PM »
Engine back in frame without any boo boos...or back injuries.
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« Reply #246 on: September 07, 2015, 06:20:10 PM »
Nice frame and motor, and nice Interceptor in the background, what size?...Larry
It is the 1986 VF500f  Very "interesting" to work on compared to these SOHC4s.  Here is the thread which reminds me it has not been updated....
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,141697.0.html
I have been riding this bike a lot this summer, about 3500 miles so far...
DSCN0572 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
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« Reply #247 on: September 07, 2015, 06:33:20 PM »
I had a 750 Interceptor as well as a 700 Sabre, I enjoyed both and never had a bit of problem with either one...Larry

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« Reply #248 on: September 07, 2015, 06:44:29 PM »
Here are some front end pics.  I originally intended, at least temporarily, to just use the stock GL top triple with some sort of adjustable Clubman bar such as Laverda Jota bars or the Tomaselli Condors...but then SlikWilli 420 comes out of nowhere with these AWSOME custom top triples, and he lives only a few miles away.  And I think, given the large expense of those adjustable clubmans, the overall cost will be similar with the custom top triple and some simple clip ons.  Tach mount will require some minor rework.  I have not decided if I want a Speedo yet.  If yes, it will be a cheap mini speedo.
DSCN0719 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
DSCN0720 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
DSCN0721 by Sean Barney, on Flickr
mmmm polished GL calipers are a Prett-t Thing...also plan for thinned and drilled rotors ala Godfrey.  Need to source brake lines...kinda waiting and hoping for Slingshot to be back in business.
forks and brakes have been rebuilt using Honda oem seals, boots, various rubber bits etc.
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« Reply #249 on: September 07, 2015, 06:48:07 PM »
I had a 750 Interceptor as well as a 700 Sabre, I enjoyed both and never had a bit of problem with either one...Larry
good to hear...lots of guys will tell ya the early V4's are a grenade with the pin already pulled...
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