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PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« on: September 08, 2017, 01:29:26 PM »
Hey folks,

I'm relatively new here (that is to say, relatively new to Hondas, motorcycles, and SOHC4.net!), but since I've been doing a ton of work on my bike, and using your resources here, I thought I'd put together a "build" thread to track progress. I don't have many ambitions or big plans for this bike, but I really love it. Perhaps in the future it'll go full cafe or just a clean-up with some minor mods, but for now, I'm just working to get it Stage 0. Here's what it looked like the day I bought it (actually, I took that picture just a few moments ago, but it looks the same as it did back then, but maybe a little cleaner).

Purchased with ~12,000 miles from original owner.
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2017, 01:46:08 PM »
I started out by giving it an oil change (as I do all my used vehicle purchases), in hopes that I can learn something about it. The oil had a beautiful pearlescent additive that I hope does not return (is that normal for a wet clutch?). I changed the filter and used Rotella T4 15W-40 per the recommendation of several of you.

The air filter looked nice and clean (but not exactly new), so I skipped that.

Plugs were sooty but it still ran alright. The wires were clearly very old, so I replaced those with DW200 wires, along with new NGK D7EA plugs, Dyna-S DS1-2 electronic ignition (I apologize to the purists out there, but I just don't like points and condensers!), and DC8-1 5ohm coils.

And that was supposed to be it for the time being (isn't that always the case?)
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2017, 01:54:07 PM »
After riding it around town for a while, the battery started giving me troubles. Like all new CB550 owners, I was not giving it the beans when I went out, draining the battery (and causing all manor of fouling and buildup in the combustion chambers I'm sure!).

My poor driving habits, coupled with increased load due to the ignition, and an ol' n busted battery drove me go on a electrical power diet. I converted all lights to LEDs including a Trucklite 27270C headlight, put a new battery in, and learned how to drive the damn thing, and haven't had any electrical issues since!

Another forum member asked me to get a tally of power consumption and cost of conversion, so I owe that to you all.
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2017, 01:54:38 PM »
I started out by giving it an oil change (as I do all my used vehicle purchases), in hopes that I can learn something about it. The oil had a beautiful pearlescent additive that I hope does not return (is that normal for a wet clutch?).

I assume you were seeing aluminum flakes.

Probably need to adjust the cam chain tensioner. Chain may be flopping a bit.

Did you replace the plug caps along with the wires?
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2017, 02:03:01 PM »
welcome!

that bike doesn't look too bad for starters. if you ask me, it's too well preserved to do an all-out cafe thing. you could keep it quite original looking and if you don't want to bother with completely returning it to stock, just do some minor upgrades on the parts you decide to replace or renew.

what's the plan: did you download the honda service manual and are you going to do the 3k mile maintenance routine described there, then see how it runs?
and did you get new spark plug caps with the fresh wires, or measure the old ones for resistance?

i wouldn't worry much about the look of the old oil, who knows when it was changed last... as long as there were no solid bits in it. just do that 3k mile maitenance keep an eye on it on next change.

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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2017, 02:26:58 PM »
After going through a few tanks of gas, I became worried by my 20-24mpg. I thought it might just be due to the fact that if I left my petcock on, I'd overflow in one of my carbs, leaving a large puddle under the bike.

I started things off by checking float height and setting it to 22mm using a homemade credit card gauge. I blasted the jets with carb cleaner, cleaned the bowls, cleaned the float valves, and changed the bowl and drain plug gaskets. The overflow issue pretty much went away, but my mileage didn't get much better. This did however reduce a power lull from 3.5-5.0krpm (by a fair margin!).

Next thing was to sync the carbs and set the mixture, but before that, I'd have to get everything else in tip top shape:
- Set tappet clearance to 0.003" for intake and exhaust (per HondaMan's recommendation). This made a big difference on engine noise from idle to 2500rpm, plus really smoothed out the power band over that same range. Highly recommended!
- Set chain tension by loosening the lock-nut with the engine on, giving the screw a very light counterclockwise turn until no more noise, then locked the jam nut again. This made a HUGE difference on engine noise, at pretty much all rpm! Very nice. I'd like to try some of the other techniques you've mentioned to see if I can get it down even better.
- Checked my plug gap again (still 0.026"...yay!)
- Check compression while in there. Hot/dry: 108-112-112-119, and hot/wet: 124-110-130-131 (I didn't apply oil very consistently, so I think we should just ignore that). Also, during the electrical diet I unplugged my starter and never plugged it back in, so this is after 50 kicks by leg, using an automotive style compression tester.
- Set idle to 1100rpm. It can maintain idle below that just fine, but it's a bit rattly down there, and I just didn't like that!
- Checked for vacuum leak by spraying brake fluid on/near each intake tube, but found none. I was surprised by this (simply because the rubber doesn't look 100% brand new), so I tried using a propane torch (not ignited, of course) but I couldn't detect any changes in idle. I did this both while cold and hot.
- Sync'd carbs using a homemade manometer, adjusting the idle to maintain around 1100 rpm. If you need to do this ever, and don't currently own 4-cylinder a gauge type sync tool, just buy one. They're like $60 on amazon and include restrictor valves to tune out the pulsations. My homemade works alright, and i did a good job building it, but it cost me $40 (after also buying the $10 adapters that come with the kit) and added a bunch of time trying to prevent the ATF from getting sucked up too high. Mine did include a DIY lowpass filter using the foam from grey paint brushes, crammed inside the vinyl tubing, sandwiched between two inline barbed fittings, so you could have probably gotten away with $20-$30, but it's just not worth it to me. But it works, see the results in the pictures below.
- Set idle mixture screw by screwing them lightly all the way in, then turning them out by 1.5 turns.

And that's were I sit today. I'd like to go through a tank of fuel before I do anything else. Plus, I've got a squeaky/sticky front brake and a slow leaking dripping down my brake lever, so it's time to get on those.
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2017, 02:29:05 PM »
To be honest, I don't know what the plug caps are, but I'll dig into that before I ask any questions.

And I haven't seen the 3000 mile maintenance list, but I'll go through it and do anything I missed. Thanks for the tips!
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2017, 02:32:38 PM »
Oh! And i bought it with about 12,000 miles. I believe I paid ~$2000, which might be a lot to you, but it really is in great shape. I don't think I'll really go the full cafe route with this guy, but I expect to own this bike for a long time, so I don't want to say "I'll never" to anything!
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2017, 12:50:04 AM »
never say never ;)
when i got my 550F it was in good original shape. some more stock parts and less rust than yours, even. had the same idea, to keep it for some time. i kept it stock at first but then when some work was needed, started to do some under-the-hood upgrades and once thing let to another... it's now still very close to stock looking with some minor visual mods and much improved performance. i could see yours go a similar way.
i'm happy with it for now, but who knows what the future brings?

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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2017, 06:12:07 AM »
To be honest, I don't know what the plug caps are, but I'll dig into that before I ask any questions.

And I haven't seen the 3000 mile maintenance list, but I'll go through it and do anything I missed. Thanks for the tips!
These are plug caps.
http://4into1.com/ngk-spark-plug-resistor-cover-120-degree-vd05f/
http://4into1.com/ngk-spark-plug-resistor-cover-102-degree-xd05f/

You need two of each.
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2017, 08:48:49 PM »
'ight. I dug into it a little, and I'm getting two different answers, and I'm not sure which one applies to me.

HondaMan says it needs a minimum of 5Kohm, while the Dynoman rep I worked with to buy the parts in the first place explains that I don't need resistor caps with the parts I have.

Here's my ignition system:
- Dyna-S DS1-2 electronic ignition
- Dyna DC8-1 5 ohm coils
- Dyna DW200 wires, 7mm copper core
- NGK D7EA

I'll check the DW200 wires to determine actual resistance.

I didn't list the 5ohm coils (edited above post). Does that change anything?
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2017, 09:49:20 PM »
Adding a side discussion about rebuilding my brakes:

Rebuilding my brakes... like a boss?
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2017, 06:31:19 AM »
'ight. I dug into it a little, and I'm getting two different answers, and I'm not sure which one applies to me.

HondaMan says it needs a minimum of 5Kohm, while the Dynoman rep I worked with to buy the parts in the first place explains that I don't need resistor caps with the parts I have.

Here's my ignition system:
- Dyna-S DS1-2 electronic ignition
- Dyna DC8-1 5 ohm coils
- Dyna DW200 wires, 7mm copper core
- NGK D7EA

I'll check the DW200 wires to determine actual resistance.

I didn't list the 5ohm coils (edited above post). Does that change anything?
You do need R caps. You may also experiment with running R caps and R plugs after a spell. This of course if the DW wires don't produce a minimum of 5k ohms. TwoTired specifically uses his original stock caps and plugs yielding 10k Ohms as per the factory stock configuration found on his bike as new.
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2017, 03:57:52 PM »
Whelp, measured my DW200 spark plug wires, and no resistance. I'll start with using NGK resistor caps, but I'm not really sure which ones (shape) to get. I've read a lot of posts for the CB750, but I can't find anybody saying "I've used these on a CB550, and they fit perfectly". With a lack of information, I'm thinking of using 4 XD05F (102° elbow) plug caps. Do y'all have any experience or input on which ones to use?

Once I get a good feel for how it runs with resistor caps, I'll throw on some resistor plugs and see what's what.
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2017, 04:07:19 PM »
See the link posted in Reply #9 above...
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2017, 04:42:09 PM »
So two of each? Which cylinder gets which cap?
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2017, 04:43:26 PM »
Ah, never mind. Thanks!
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2017, 05:39:47 PM »
I'm slowly working through the 6,000 mile maintenance schedule, and it happened to be time for an oil change, so I pulled the pan and cleaned out the oil pump screen. At the bottom of the pan, I was met with an impressive amount of gunk and metallic grossness, which is a bit disappointing. It looked almost like someone scraped out a jar of zinc dust anti-seize and plopped it right in there! I thoroughly cleaned out the sludge.

The problem is that there was still a shimmery metallic sheen to my oil. I'm not going to panic yet because this could simply have been polluted by all the crud that was left in there. Now that it's nice and clean in there, if there's still metal in my next change, I might have an issue.

I'm starting a separate thread regarding this issue, so please feel free to add comments and recommendations either here or there: Pearl Shimmer in My Oil and Internal Deep Clean?
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2017, 02:55:03 PM »
Side note: I just posted a power consumption comparison on LEDs vs Incandescents in my CB550. It also includes power from the ignition. Check it out here:

Power Consumption Comparison of LED's vs Incandescents
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2017, 10:32:37 PM »
Interesting, still trying to read through and decipher all of the data.
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2017, 08:43:14 AM »
Whelp, I got back from an out-of-towner, and I'm finally almost recovered from jet lag. It only takes me an hour to get back to sleep when I wake up at 3am, which is a marked improvement!

Anyway, I still haven't filtered my oil or checked my new oil, but I'll get to that this week (hopefully). I did, however, swap in the NGK 5kohm plug caps. They are a great little product; i love the screw assembly, and they really make it easy to remove the wire without stressing the connection. Although this is closer to stock, my butt dyno can't feel any difference, and the hesitation between 3-4k rpm at low throttle still hasn't gone away. I think I just need to do the idle plug chops (any maybe 1/4 throttle too). use the clear tube method to set float bowl levels, and if that doesn't do anything, then go to idle plug chops.

As stated, I'm slowly working through the 6,000 mile maintenance, and have a question about chain replacement, posted here: How to know if I need a new chain?
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2017, 01:41:35 PM »
Just washed and waxed the bike, and wow, what a difference. On the recommendation of a friend, I waxed the mirror and gauge glass too, which I'm surprised came out as crystal clear as it did! He said he waxes his windows on his car, and prefers it to Rain-X. We'll see how well it keeps the morning dew off the glass. By accident, I discovered that you can wax chrome with excellent results, and finished the fenders, handle bars, and light shrouds. It looks better than when i bought it.

At the moment, I'm trying hard to ignore cosmetic improvements, and focus on maintenance, reliability, and safety issues, but eventually I'd like to repaint my tank. A friend is going down to Tijuana this weekend, and I'm thinking of sending it down there with him to paint it (along with one of the side covers to match it). I can take care of the decals myself, but I'm worried about having them paint the black part and have it align with the decals. Any thoughts?
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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2020, 08:00:32 PM »
It's been three years since I posted here! Mood swings and low motivation have taken a toll on my bike, but I was dailying it for a long time, then monthly country rides, then... neglect. So I'm picking it back up again.

I'm starting things off with an M-Unit conversion cuz...I want to? Not really sure why beyond that. At least I like wiring. It gives me an opportunity to micro-organize and a nice sense of control.

I got the M-Unit and a Motogadget Speedster Tiny from Revzilla. I'll scour the M-Unit forum for the deets. Wish me luck.

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Re: PinkCrayon's 1975 CB550K
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2020, 08:06:53 PM »
As part of my electrical upgrade I'm re-finishing my switch gear. Here's a link:

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