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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2007, 06:30:10 PM »
Hi again.  The bushings are out.  I didn't have a tourch so I used a large titanium drill bit to remove the centre peice (chewed it out) and then tried the socket and hammer again.  The both came out quite easy.  Thanks guys.

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2008, 05:40:14 PM »
Just wondering if anyone knows the best,(cheapest), place to buy a set of swing arm bushings for my 71 CB750?


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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2008, 06:15:57 PM »
Honda, but be advised that the collar is usually more worn than the bushes and that is definately Honda only and expensive
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2008, 06:31:12 PM »
Honda, but be advised that the collar is usually more worn than the bushes and that is definately Honda only and expensive

Or, you could send it to HondaMan for a rebuild...
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2008, 06:50:13 PM »
Actually, there is very little play in the swing arm. When placed on the center stand and you put pressure on the wheel from side to side there is just a little bit of movement.
I put my brothers 650 yamaha on it's center stand and it has about the same amount of movement or maybe just a little bit more. Is this normal?
Suppossably his bushings were replaced just before he bought it.
Could somebody check theirs and let me know what they find?
I know it has more miles left in them, but I will be putting new tires on it soon and if it needs bushings, then this would be the time to do it.

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2008, 07:13:32 PM »
You really should feel no side to side play at all.  Bronze bushings are probably better than stock options but as mentioned the collar can be the issue.

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2008, 07:52:30 PM »
you might look at hondaman's post, right here...damn(search is down right now)
I've seen the bronze ones on cyclerecycle2, partsnmore, and z1has something too, I think.
It seems most need a lil' more than just bushings in the long run.  Honda man services them by machining new bushings and cleaning up the tolerances on the collar too..IIRC

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2009, 08:40:39 AM »
I offer the full rebuild service on these swingarms (all vintage Honda arms) now. It consists of custom-fitted 841 Oilite Bronze bushings, made on my lathe, and custom-aligned bore centers to match the collar (or new collar) to those bushings after installation. A full rebuild gets the Lifetime Warranty, a partial rebuild gets a 50,000 mile warranty. These warranties are for 100% replacement, if anything goes wrong with my work, or if it wears out in that time. You just have to grease it on schedule. The Oilite will forgive you if you are a little late, like on a long touring ride, and won't damage anything.

I started doing this in late 2006 because Honda has changed their replacement parts to inferior parts, for whatever reason. Their bushings are now made of pressed steel, and since the collars are hardened steel, this wears very quickly: most arms I get for rebuild have these parts inside and have worn or rusted to lockup in 5000 miles or so. It is simply not possible to lubricate steel-on-steel: any lubrication manual will tell you so.  :-\

The collar for the "F" arms and CB750K5-later arms is not available from Honda anymore, but the older style collar is: I am also beginning to make collars in case Honda stops theirs. I 'convert' these "F" and late K arms to the earlier design during rebuild, which includes the original grease seals that worked and end cap spacers (Honda calls these a "bush" now) that accurately center the arm in the frame. I am just now beginning to make bronze versions of these end caps, too, for the more performance-oriented rider.

I highly recommend the installation of the earlier style swingarm bolt, which has grease zerks on both ends, with American zerks installed (I do those, too). This will ensure perfect lube action in 5 minutes total time, from the sides of the bike, instead of by standing on your head under the swingarm to get at the center fitting. This bolt is required (at this time) for the Lifetime Warranty because the center-zerk arrangement does a poor job of delivering any lube to the ends of the collar. The center-zerk can work, if you use the RIGHT grease and lube it exactly the RIGHT way, but it can take 30 minutes to do this task, so few do. Without this older style bolt, the warranty must be 50,000 miles on the "F" and later K arms.

I can also replace those shock bushings: they go out toward the inside of the arm, in from the inside, too. The holes in the arm are tapered .0012" from the factory. Use a pair of 3/8" drive sockets, one large, one small to fit the OD of the old bushing. Install a 5/16" grade 8 bolt and lots of washers and pull the old ones out, press the new ones in. Use lots of penetrating oil on the way out, grease on the way in.  ;)

I don't make and sell just bushings, because the tube on the swingarms is usually oval and/or flared toward the outside from years of riding stresses, so the bushings must be tapered or oval to match on the OD. This is what generates the need for the final bore alignment procedure I use to make a perfect fit. It is simple for a manufacturer to make a bronze bushing with an oversized center hole so the collar will still fit after such a tortured installation, but it will leave side-to-side motion at the rear axle even after all your hard installation work, or within 1000 miles thereafter. You won't find that with my rebuilds, guaranteed.  :)

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2009, 06:28:20 PM »
WOW, a thread I started in 2006 is back from the dead. ;D

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2009, 07:03:44 PM »
haha, funny this topic comes up now. I'm building a chromoly swingarm for a 400f, I'm keeping the stock steel shaft, and machined some crs pieces that go from the shaft to the 2" pipe I'm using as the pivot, I thought crs would be okay with a .005 clearance and grease, but now it sounds like i might want to have a separate bronze bushing between them?  Hondaman sounds like he knows his goodies, any tips??
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« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2009, 08:27:27 PM »
i can recomend hondaman's swing arm... my old cb750 handled like a PIG ON STILTS :( my new one with hondamans swing arm handle's great i love his work and his price was reasonable!

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2009, 12:19:59 AM »
Rob at Voxonda also makes bronze bushings:
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2009, 06:23:33 AM »
i can recomend hondaman's swing arm... my old cb750 handled like a PIG ON STILTS :( my new one with hondamans swing arm handle's great i love his work and his price was reasonable!

Reasonable for sure, but honestly being the cheap bastard that I am... it's the highest dollar part on my bike.  (two way shipping and a new collar included)
I'm sure I'll recommend it to everyone once I've ridden with it.
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2009, 04:01:24 AM »
Go bronze, not needle. The needles have much less surface area and don't resist flexing as well as bronze.

cool, i searched around town for bearing bronze with no luck, so I ordered on line and will get my matl tuesday, I'll have to put up some pics when i get it done.  i was looking at a friends dresda arm and i think mine will be a lot better
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