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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #275 on: August 06, 2015, 01:25:00 AM »
rode the bike to work today. it's only 3km. noticed nothing weird, all seems to be good again :)

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #276 on: August 08, 2015, 01:50:11 PM »
some easy fixes of minor annoyances:

alternator cover - pushed some some non-hardening sealant into the holes where the logo plate clips in. since then it's stayed put.

ignition cover - hammered out the middle part a tiny bit so that the nut doesn't touch it any more.

didn't look for the source of the small oil leak under the left-side engine cover yet...

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #277 on: August 08, 2015, 04:17:44 PM »
Clean the area good then sprinkle baby powder in the area of the leak to pinpoint where it is if you catch it before it has leaked a lot.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #278 on: August 10, 2015, 04:54:16 AM »
thanks RAF, that's what i'll do. i'm pretty sure it comes from under the cover, not the oil pan but we'll see. it's really more of a sweating than a leak, doesn't leave a single drop under the bike. first i'm off to the dyno on wednesday to get the carbs sorted...

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Re: 1976 CB550F - breaking news: off the dyno
« Reply #279 on: August 12, 2015, 06:09:23 AM »
just got off the dyno recently: there's a herd of 54 ponies kicking down the backwheel. and some interesting result on air filters.

more to follow with the graphs etc...

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #280 on: August 12, 2015, 02:05:54 PM »
Congrats on the 54 rw hp figure.  Please summarize the motor mods to get there when you post your dyno graphs and filter results.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - dyno results
« Reply #281 on: August 13, 2015, 05:29:58 AM »
here's what i had last year, before engine mods:
  • 44.6 rw hp
  • 30.7 nm torque

graph is here: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,134863.msg1522043.html#msg1522043
that's pretty good as honda claimed 50 hp at the crankshaft, and many sources quote 38 rw hp for a stock 550.

after the current engine mods:

  • 54.1 rw hp
  • 67.9 nm torque

that's an increase in horsepower of about 22% and torque of 121% (!) compared to last year.
spark plugs and airfilter had about 8000km on them when measuring, with fresh ones it may be a tiny bit better.

here's the final graph:



the bike pulls like a train right from the start and keeps reacting strongly to throttle input through a wide rpm range. the power distribution seems very usable. does not peak as high as it could with maximising high-end output but for use on the road, this seems very good - apart from the theory that's also how it feels :)

we also tried the uni filter NU-4055 that fits in the stock airbox, vs. the honda OEM paper filter (with 8k km on it, so not totally pristine):



at higher rpms the unifilter provides less airflow than oem, shown in the dropping air/fuel curve. this manifests itself in a lower power output. this seems contrary to what some people claim - but these numbers don't lie and i'll be sticking with the OEM paper filter.

we then experimented with taking off the cover (mine has that "snorkel"), off the airbox: also that did not improve anything, neither flow nor power.

RAF i need to go now but will post a summary of the mods.

finally, the man i need to thank most is mike rieck.
over lengthy email conversations he patiently listened to my needs and ideas and helped with excellent advice to come to this result! that of course is on top of the brilliant work on the head that he did himself.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #282 on: August 13, 2015, 05:37:06 AM »
also previously i've been between 12 and 13 but yes, if someone has better knowledge of what it should be, that would be great to hear!

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #283 on: August 13, 2015, 05:55:55 AM »

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #284 on: August 13, 2015, 06:10:20 AM »
That is a very impressive jump in power.  Can you list the mods?
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #285 on: August 14, 2015, 01:37:56 AM »
guys i will summarise the mods but some patience please... i am in budapest now over the weekend, for a family thing.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #286 on: August 14, 2015, 04:46:14 AM »
Family, schmally! What are we? Chopped liver!  >:(

We're not family?
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #287 on: August 14, 2015, 01:27:14 PM »
under normal circumstanes i would never do this to you, my brothers. now i am being forced to pour palinka shots for my grandmother who just got 90.
if i ever make it back from this madness and sober up enough i write you a nice list, promised!

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« Reply #288 on: August 14, 2015, 04:56:42 PM »
under normal circumstanes i would never do this to you, my brothers. now i am being forced to pour palinka shots for my grandmother who just got 90.
if i ever make it back from this madness and sober up enough i write you a nice list, promised!

Palinka shots? .....Ha!!  She musta hava learaned how to drank in Hungary!!

http://welovebudapest.com/budapest.and.hungary/19.signs.you.learned.to.drink.in.hungary
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #289 on: August 14, 2015, 05:00:45 PM »
How do the plugs look? In this case if you're concerned about the A/F graph, you are a tad rich, not lean. A 1/2 jet size would be worth a try, but do a plug chop. Usually with WOT jetting, keep increasing the mainjet until it gets lazy (rich)then go a size smaller. In your case with increased vacuum it could make sense using a smaller main than you used previously. 

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #290 on: August 15, 2015, 08:56:40 AM »
Palinka shots? .....Ha!!  She musta hava learaned how to drank in Hungary!!

http://welovebudapest.com/budapest.and.hungary/19.signs.you.learned.to.drink.in.hungary

shure thing she did!
i love the smell of palinka in the morning  ;D

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #291 on: August 15, 2015, 09:02:28 AM »
How do the plugs look? In this case if you're concerned about the A/F graph, you are a tad rich, not lean. A 1/2 jet size would be worth a try, but do a plug chop. Usually with WOT jetting, keep increasing the mainjet until it gets lazy (rich)then go a size smaller. In your case with increased vacuum it could make sense using a smaller main than you used previously.

the funny thing is, i would have expected to go larger not smaller with the main jet. obviously i can't claim to be a carburation expert!
first thing i'll get a fresh air filter before i continue.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #292 on: August 17, 2015, 11:42:10 AM »
gentlemen, thank you for your patience.
here's the full laundry list of what's going on at this point:

pistons: wiseco 59mm 10:1 CR
cylinder top decked -0.004in

MLS head gasket 0.030in

head:
mike rieck porting stage 2+
-0.004in decked
serdi cut valve seats
+1mm intake valves
tapered guides
kibblewhite valves/springs/ti retainers

camshaft: megacycle hardweld 126-00
hardweld rockers

intake manifolds matched to ports

carbs: stock 069A
currently stock jetting: 38 slow, 98 main, needle clip 2nd position

original airbox, currently with stock airfilter

exhaust: original 4-into-1

ignition: boyer-bransden micro power

relay mod: battery to coils
AGM battery

clutch fully rebuilt from OEM parts

front brake:
dual OEM discs/calipers
slingshot steel braided lines
speed bleed nipples

fork rebuilt with wilbers progressive springs and seals
t-kat forkbrace

conical headset bearings

new wheel bearings

swingarm bushings replaced with roller bearings

all rubber parts replaced with OEM (where available)

then all sorts of other little things to get it in shape, that are mentioned on the previous pages.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #293 on: August 17, 2015, 12:18:19 PM »
That's quite an investment!
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #294 on: August 17, 2015, 12:45:40 PM »
that's not even all. there's also the tank and side covers that got painted, the usual bits and pieces like tires, chains, sprockets, etc...
spread over 2 years the spending is somewhat less noticeable.
actually it feels like i spent more time than money and i was also enjoying both the wrenching and riding it in-between the changes so it's all good ;)

you'd hardly notice anything when looking at it as it's still almost completely stock and original on the outside but the handling is much more sure-footed and the engine performance is a blast  8)

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #295 on: August 17, 2015, 03:13:22 PM »
That's quite an investment!

+1 and sounds like you did it right, I commend you! 

Now all you need is the MotoGP pipe to let that Baby really breath. Although I really like the looks of the sexy stock swooping exhaust, it is awfully restrictive and quiet.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #296 on: August 17, 2015, 10:40:16 PM »
cal:
i was torn whether i should use bigger pistons and/or the 126-20 cam. but mike talked me into using the 59mm to keep the engine as strong as possible (reliability/longevity was one of my requirements as the bike will do some touring), and the -00 cam to produce more compression, to create the torque monster that it is now.
indeed, it will be very interesting to see how yours differs. you'll have a setup that i nearly went for, minus the carbs. i'm sure you'll have more topend - how mid-range compares is what i'll want to see.

stev-o:
thanks for the compliment. it's not all me, though. there's a lot of mike's knowledge in there!
you are right about the stock exhaust. performance wise it makes no sense. i do want to keep it for the looks, however. it's nothing rational but you don't see them very often any more and this one is well preserved, i'm somehow sentimentally attached to it.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #297 on: August 18, 2015, 07:16:48 PM »
Was on the wise co site and it listed the single piston kit for $180.
Is that correct?  4x $180 for a complete set?
That's with a plain steel piston pin, not chromed. Not sure what advantage a chrome pin would have.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #298 on: August 18, 2015, 09:18:05 PM »
Cycle X sells the Wiseco piston kit with a head gasket PLUS a complete engine gasket kit for $549

Dynoman sells the Wiseco piston kit with a head gasket only for $569

1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #299 on: August 18, 2015, 11:18:17 PM »
the price on the wiseco site is for 1 piston. as don says, cycle x has the best price (but does not always have them in stock) then dynoman.