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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1475 on: March 30, 2017, 09:36:12 AM »
I'm using the Yoshi road race cam, which is nearly identical to the 126-20 megacycle. My thinking was a little opposite of yours. I wanted more topend speed. My 79 cb650 had a 17in rear wheel all of the other models had a 16. I don't have my exact numbers in front of me, but I remember with a 18in rear and a 17/37 set up , a loss of 10% torque but a 10% higher top speed.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1476 on: March 30, 2017, 11:11:16 AM »
Wasn't aware they used anything other than 18". The plot thickens!
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1477 on: March 30, 2017, 01:19:58 PM »
Yeah, I'm thinking now that I may do a 17/39 (2.29:1). If I want to get a little more pep I can put in a 16 (2.44:1). They're cheap enough and takes 5 minutes to install.

The 40 rear may be a bit extreme...I don't know, haha. I guess that's what test rides are for.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1478 on: March 30, 2017, 01:32:59 PM »
Are you sticking with the 530 chain or swapping to a 520 for lightness?
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1479 on: March 30, 2017, 01:54:05 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on March 30, 2017, 01:32:59 PM
Are you sticking with the 530 chain or swapping to a 520 for lightness?

No idea, haha. I'm not overly concerned about weight savings on this. I'm 140lbs so as a set, the bike and I will be pretty light. That being said, if they're comparable in price I'd go with the lighter one.

What does a 520 conversion entail? Just a spacer to accommodate the thinner front sprocket? I'm looking into it now, hmmm.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1480 on: March 30, 2017, 01:57:42 PM »
Regarding the gear ratios again...it doesn't help that the later 650s had different primary reductions than earlier ones. And some gears were different sizes. Second picture is the addendum for the '82. Glad there's this much info in the manual.




There's a lot to think about. I think I've settled on 16/39 but who knows, I change my mind on a whim...but you guys know that already :))
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1481 on: March 30, 2017, 02:02:30 PM »
Another "by the way" I just made up an 18" degree wheel. Huge compared to the 8" one I used previously, haha.

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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1482 on: March 30, 2017, 02:15:49 PM »
Quote from: DaveBarbier on March 30, 2017, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on March 30, 2017, 01:32:59 PM
Are you sticking with the 530 chain or swapping to a 520 for lightness?
What does a 520 conversion entail? Just a spacer to accommodate the thinner front sprocket? I'm looking into it now, hmmm.

Just different front/rear sprockets and chain.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1483 on: March 30, 2017, 03:03:54 PM »
I did the 520 swap. Dave I'm 140lbs too.  ;D These bikes are going to be a blast for guys our stature for sure!
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1484 on: March 30, 2017, 03:46:55 PM »
Quote from: Camrector on March 30, 2017, 03:03:54 PM
I did the 520 swap. Dave I'm 140lbs too.  ;D These bikes are going to be a blast for guys our stature for sure!

140 lbs.?  How tall are you? I haven't weight that since my sophomore year in high school.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1485 on: March 30, 2017, 04:06:07 PM »
Ha 5'9 . I can't gain or lose a pound no matter what I try.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1486 on: March 30, 2017, 04:08:24 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on March 30, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: Camrector on March 30, 2017, 03:03:54 PM
I did the 520 swap. Dave I'm 140lbs too.  ;D These bikes are going to be a blast for guys our stature for sure!

140 lbs.?  How tall are you? I haven't weight that since my sophomore year in high school.

Haha, I don't know about Cam but I'm 5'5", maybe 5'6" if I do a hipster hairstyle ;)

I'm half Swedish and half Chilean. I have the thinness of a Swede but the height of a Hispanic...

Where you guys getting your 520 sprockets from? I can't seem to find a source for the 650.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1487 on: March 30, 2017, 04:33:55 PM »
The 550 front sprocket swaps onto mine. Got the set from Devin at Cognito.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1488 on: March 30, 2017, 05:06:28 PM »
Quote from: Camrector on March 30, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
The 550 front sprocket swaps onto mine. Got the set from Devin at Cognito.

Ah ok, I'll check my 550 sprocket
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1489 on: March 30, 2017, 09:04:00 PM »
Quote from: DaveBarbier on March 30, 2017, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: Camrector on March 30, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
The 550 front sprocket swaps onto mine. Got the set from Devin at Cognito.

Ah ok, I'll check my 550 sprocket

Got mine from Cognitomoto.
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1490 on: March 31, 2017, 10:22:40 AM »
Finding a 39t 520 sprocket (or 530 for that matter) for a 550 is not easy. There's plenty for 650's...anyone know if those will fit?

I also emailed Sprocket Specialists to get a quote on a custom aluminum one. We'll see what they say :).
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1491 on: March 31, 2017, 10:23:26 AM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on March 30, 2017, 09:04:00 PM
Quote from: DaveBarbier on March 30, 2017, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: Camrector on March 30, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
The 550 front sprocket swaps onto mine. Got the set from Devin at Cognito.

Ah ok, I'll check my 550 sprocket

Got mine from Cognitomoto.

Don, what tooth sprockets are you getting? Or have you decided on it yet?
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1492 on: March 31, 2017, 10:24:59 AM »
Quote from: Camrector on March 30, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
The 550 front sprocket swaps onto mine. Got the set from Devin at Cognito.

My 550 sprocket is 2.5mm thicker so a 520 should fit fine. But I did find a JT 520 16t for a 650 on eBay.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1493 on: March 31, 2017, 10:34:00 AM »
Quote from: DaveBarbier on March 31, 2017, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on March 30, 2017, 09:04:00 PM
Quote from: DaveBarbier on March 30, 2017, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: Camrector on March 30, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
The 550 front sprocket swaps onto mine. Got the set from Devin at Cognito.

Ah ok, I'll check my 550 sprocket

Got mine from Cognitomoto.

Don, what tooth sprockets are you getting? Or have you decided on it yet?

I ordered the 17/37 520 sprockets from Devin.
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1494 on: March 31, 2017, 11:56:12 AM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on March 31, 2017, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: DaveBarbier on March 31, 2017, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on March 30, 2017, 09:04:00 PM
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Quote from: Camrector on March 30, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
The 550 front sprocket swaps onto mine. Got the set from Devin at Cognito.

Ah ok, I'll check my 550 sprocket

Got mine from Cognitomoto.

Don, what tooth sprockets are you getting? Or have you decided on it yet?

I ordered the 17/37 520 sprockets from Devin.

Sames
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1495 on: March 31, 2017, 12:12:00 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on March 31, 2017, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: DaveBarbier on March 31, 2017, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on March 30, 2017, 09:04:00 PM
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Quote from: Camrector on March 30, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
The 550 front sprocket swaps onto mine. Got the set from Devin at Cognito.

Ah ok, I'll check my 550 sprocket

Got mine from Cognitomoto.

Don, what tooth sprockets are you getting? Or have you decided on it yet?

I ordered the 17/37 520 sprockets from Devin.

Ok cool, sounds good
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1496 on: April 04, 2017, 06:29:06 AM »
Ok, pulled the trigger on a 16t front, a 39t hard anodized aluminum rear (from Sprocket Specialists) and an x-ring DID chain. All 520. Hope it works out!
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1497 on: April 05, 2017, 11:11:59 AM »
Having a hard time finding properly sized Bridgestone BT45's. My current tires are as follows:
Front: 3.5-19
Rear: 4.00-18

Which are a little bigger than what's in the manual:
3.25-19
3.75-18

Since the BT45's are only available in metric sizes, I think I'm looking for something like a 90/90-19 front and 100/90-18 rear. All I can find is a 100/90-19 front and a 110/90-18 rear, which seems too wide.

I'm also not against the Avon road riders which seem a bit cheaper and come in the inch sizes and also metric sizes I'd need (I think...I'll have to double check on that).

Thoughts?
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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1498 on: April 05, 2017, 12:05:08 PM »
Quote from: DaveBarbier on April 05, 2017, 11:11:59 AM
Having a hard time finding properly sized Bridgestone BT45's. My current tires are as follows:
Front: 3.5-19
Rear: 4.00-18

Which are a little bigger than what's in the manual:
3.25-19
3.75-18

Since the BT45's are only available in metric sizes, I think I'm looking for something like a 90/90-19 front and 100/90-18 rear. All I can find is a 100/90-19 front and a 110/90-18 rear, which seems too wide.

I'm also not against the Avon road riders which seem a bit cheaper and come in the inch sizes and also metric sizes I'd need (I think...I'll have to double check on that).

Thoughts?

Dave,

I really don't think the extra 10mm front and rear will make a huge difference.  We're not talking about going from a sport rear 180 to a 360 after all.  I run a larger (130 or 140) rear on my 550 and it handles great - no adverse handling issues.
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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Re: Patina Hyena - Dave's '78 CB550K Cafe Build Thread
« Reply #1499 on: April 05, 2017, 12:33:32 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on April 05, 2017, 12:05:08 PM
Quote from: DaveBarbier on April 05, 2017, 11:11:59 AM
Having a hard time finding properly sized Bridgestone BT45's. My current tires are as follows:
Front: 3.5-19
Rear: 4.00-18

Which are a little bigger than what's in the manual:
3.25-19
3.75-18

Since the BT45's are only available in metric sizes, I think I'm looking for something like a 90/90-19 front and 100/90-18 rear. All I can find is a 100/90-19 front and a 110/90-18 rear, which seems too wide.

I'm also not against the Avon road riders which seem a bit cheaper and come in the inch sizes and also metric sizes I'd need (I think...I'll have to double check on that).

Thoughts?

Dave,

I really don't think the extra 10mm front and rear will make a huge difference.  We're not talking about going from a sport rear 180 to a 360 after all.  I run a larger (130 or 140) rear on my 550 and it handles great - no adverse handling issues.

Great advice^
I run a 100f/120r Avons on both my 550 and 650/550.Great tires




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