Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris

[EuroFag]

the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals

Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned.....

The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!   

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself....

Ok Bro. 
Religion isn't political?  Right, I'm the ignorant one.

Glad you worked that out mate...

Obviously, my comment went right over your head.
Enjoy your diminished capacity.

[Markcb750]

I simply feel saying you cannot blame the victim of a crime, particularly this crime.

I find it troublesome in this case because the leader of competitive religion has declared some speech off limits.  This can do nothing but reenforce the Islamist outrage as it is even supported by a pope.

[Retro Rocket]

the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals

Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned.....

The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!   

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself....

Ok Bro. 
Religion isn't political?  Right, I'm the ignorant one.

Glad you worked that out mate...

Obviously, my comment went right over your head.
Enjoy your diminished capacity.

Hahahaha, sarcasm isn't your best point....I got it mate, you didn't....

[Retro Rocket]

I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
Bill the demon.

Bill - I too would agree that you have every right within the confines of your personal space (home or in public) to politely or impolitely invite someone who is imposing their views (political, social, religious, economic) to go pound sand.

That is light years different from what Poop Francis was describing. His point was, the public assailing for the purpose of satire and "provocation" should be considered with far more measured respect.

It is irrational for anyone other than a zealot to respond the way these 2/3 swines in Paris did. It is no different than Occupy Wall Street, Neo-Nazis, Ferguson Looters, Anti-abortionists, etc. They are  all zealots and can not tolerate diverse thought or views.

Lumping or labeling these offenders (Paris) as religious zealots does a disservice to the more than 1 billion others who do not share their views. That's my point. It's akin to lumping anyone who owns a gun into the same category as the whack-job who shot up Sandy Hook Elementary, the book in Colorado who shot up a movie theater, etc. Or, characterizing anyone interested in racial equality the same as Louis Farrakhan.

It's not them adult of religion, or the religious. It's the deed of men/women who have perverted their ideologies to justify hate and rage. I can see no other explanation.

Poop Francis .....nice one Cal....

Cal, i think the word "zealots" differentiates them from the mainstream my friend....

[demon78]

My comment and it's not a slam is I think that you do them a service (the 3) by not calling them what they truly are which is #$%*s.
Bill the demon.

[demon78]

I such a polite Canadian that I didn't say any thing.
Bill the demon.

[Retro Rocket]

That is light years different from what Poop Francis was describing.

Poop Francis .....nice one Cal....

Cal, i think the word "zealots" differentiates them from the mainstream my friend....

LOL! Oops, I hope he doesn't get offended  Retro, we always think alike, even is we disagree!

Love your work big fella....

[scottly]

I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
Bill the demon.

Same here Bill, we get the Jehovah's witnesses a lot round here, I tell them "i'm a Jehovah's bystander, I'm not like the witnesses, i don't like getting involved....
[/quote]
I don't bother to ask what branch of religion door-knockers claim to represent, I politely hold up my hand like a traffic cop signaling to stop, and say "I'm not interested. Thank you." End of conversation.   

[70CB750]

Very little progress in science, art, engineering was done by those who stick to the dogma - my before coffee take on freedom of expression.

And lighten it a bit:

This guy is walking down the street, waving big red banner yelling:  "Menstruation, menstruation!"

So somebody stops him and asks:

"Don't you mean revolution?"


"Does not matter, as long as the blood is running."

[fmctm1sw]

Here is a long list of some of the good things that this religion of peace has done around the world to make it a better place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

We should all love them equally in return.   

This didn't make this list?  Seriously?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

[BobbyR]

I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
Bill the demon.

Same here Bill, we get the Jehovah's witnesses a lot round here, I tell them "i'm a Jehovah's bystander, I'm not like the witnesses, i don't like getting involved....

I don't bother to ask what branch of religion door-knockers claim to represent, I politely hold up my hand like a traffic cop signaling to stop, and say "I'm not interested. Thank you." End of conversation.
[/quote]

That is funny. I had them coming around a lot every Saturday. My Wife wondered why I spent so much time with the guy when I usually sent them packing.
 
I rolled my K8 out in the driveway and rolled out the toolbox. When he showed up I was always in the middle of something. 

I would say, "I need to work on this while you are talking."  He would go on and I would say, handing him some rubber gloves, can you grab the 12mm, or "can you hold this".

This went on for several weeks. My Wife got pissed until I explained, "this guy is a fairly good mechanic and who else is gonna help me.

Finally, he gave up, but I got the bike done. 

[750cafe]

That is funny. I had them coming around a lot every Saturday. My Wife wondered why I spent so much time with the guy when I usually sent them packing.
I rolled my K8 out in the driveway and rolled out the toolbox. When he showed up I was always in the middle of something. 
I would say, "I need to work on this while you are talking."  He would go on and I would say, handing him some rubber gloves, can you grab the 12mm, or "can you hold this".
This went on for several weeks. My Wife got pissed until I explained, "this guy is a fairly good mechanic and who else is gonna help me.
Finally, he gave up, but I got the bike done. 

So he was good for something eh? LOL!

Eric

[Maurice]

Genius Bobby, well played.

[Markcb750]

My favorite retort to a door knocker:

When they came to the door my well taken care of children were playing nicely in our groomed front yard, and they could look into the home and see it was neat and a pleasant place to live.

When asked what church we attended I told them we had opted out of church.  They inquired further, I deferred and asked how I could help

They looked at me and stated that they could see our happy children and our clean home, they felt I I must be a Christian.

To which I retorted " Well I guess we shoot down that theory".

They left.


My wife laughed.

[demon78]

Ah Bobby you wouldn't have read Mark Twain would you?
Bill the demon.

[70CB750]

Ah Bobby you wouldn't have read Mark Twain would you?
Bill the demon.

Fence painting?

[vfourfreak]

An older, but very eccentric, friend of the family kept his overcoat hanging on a hook beside his front door. Whenever the doorbell rang, he would don his coat and only then open the door. If it was someone he did want want to admit to the house or even speak to, he would claim they caught him at a bad moment, he was just getting ready to go out.
On the other hand if it was someone he did want to meet, he would let them know how lucky they were, as he had just that minute returned from an errand.

It takes all sorts.

Kev

[Maurice]

WTF Kev, he couldn't just blow them off if he didn't want to see them? Why do it simply...

[Maurice]

Ok back on topic, being "offended" of representations of the self-proclaimed prophet. Nevermind the source, this is how muslim scholars explain it should work:

...

A central tenet of Islam is that Mohammed was a man, not God, and that portraying him could lead to revering a human in lieu of Allah.

"It's all rooted in the notion of idol worship," says Akbar Ahmed, who chairs the Islamic Studies department at American University. "In Islam, the notion of God versus any depiction of God or any sacred figure is very strong."

In some ways, Islam was a reaction against Christianity, which early Muslims believed had been led astray by conceiving of Christ, not as a man but as a God. They didn't want the same thing to happen to Mohammed.

"The prophet himself was aware that if people saw his face portrayed by people, they would soon start worshiping him," Ahmed says. "So he himself spoke against such images, saying 'I'm just a man.' "

In a bitter irony, the sometimes violent attacks against portrayals of the prophet are kind of reverse idol-worship, revering -- and killing for -- the absence of an image, said Hussein Rashid, a professor of Islamic studies at Hofstra University in New York.

...

IMO the "offense" is an excuse to rebel and/or intimidate.

No one actually bothers to read scripture anymore, and it itself is so old that the writings are incredibly confusing and archaic at best, so people "interpret" how it's convenient for their agendas. Not only that, scripture is man-made, at the start already an interpretation/observation/shroom-induced illumination.

Things like cults or scientology do work on some people, which literally blows the mind when you look at it from the outside. (Apologies to mormons among us, to me it's like a bad paranormal TV show, really...)

Mind control at work.

[Bailgang]

Same here Bill, we get the Jehovah's witnesses a lot round here, I tell them "i'm a Jehovah's bystander, I'm not like the witnesses, i don't like getting involved....

My step father is an ordained minister so when some Jehovah's witnesses came to his door he turned the tables on them and witnessed to them instead. The poor JW's looked at each other realizing they picked the wrong person to debate with and left immediately. 

[faux fiddy]

Same here Bill, we get the Jehovah's witnesses a lot round here, I tell them "i'm a Jehovah's bystander, I'm not like the witnesses, i don't like getting involved....

My step father is an ordained minister so when some Jehovah's witnesses came to his door he turned the tables on them and witnessed to them instead. The poor JW's looked at each other realizing they picked the wrong person to debate with and left immediately. 

From what I understand about the Jehovas is they are coveting houses which they will just move into which after the rapture will be empty.

They would come to our place in remote Utah (must be a tough country for non Mormon). They would shake us down for a donation  and since we were broke it was futile, and so we wouldn't get a copy of the latest Watchtower from them. They would always  leave a free copy at  empty house next door, so we were able to know the word anyway.

[BobbyR]

Ah Bobby you wouldn't have read Mark Twain would you?
Bill the demon.

Yeah I read it. Of course I did, he was one of the first American writers to be acknowledged in Europe.

Actually I was raised for a good part of my early life in the Bronx NY in an Italian family. My Uncles gave me some sage advice learned through some interesting enterprises. 

I was taught there were Fisherman and there were Fish. If this guy wanted to take up my time, he had to earn it. I guess he was the Fish.

Back on topic. It seems that Europe is now trying to be proactive rather than ignore a threat on their own soil. It is no longer an American or Israeli problem. It seems Belgium is taking the fight fight to the bad guys.

[flatlander]

just came across this german journalist who spent 10 days with isil. apparently the first time a western journalist was allowed in (and out again, with his head on his shoulders):

http://juergentodenhoefer.de/seven-impressions-of-a-difficult-journey/?lang=en

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/2014/12/qa-german-journalist-surviving-isil-20141224164752725983.html

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152723644955838&set=vb.12084075837&type=2&theater%22%20width=%22550%22

[70CB750]

He was published in Czech newspaper few weeks ago, too.

Funny how news get stopped by the ocean. I bet I am about the only one here who knows what is Pegida, while in Central Europe it makes the news quite often.

[flatlander]

i do get news about pegida here in the netherlands.
there is a fine line between standing your ground, and becoming paranoid. hope we're not heading towards the latter.