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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #100 on: January 15, 2015, 02:25:18 PM »
If we are to accept religion as a protected class of communication what is it to stop a government from declaring their "beliefs" as sacrosanct?

Free speech is, or it isn’t.  To declare some speech as beyond criticism is to start down the road to the Kings  & Commies.   

The Popes a nice guy, he seems to understand humans a little better than his predecessors, but he should not get away with this statement which blames the journalist for the attack.
Yet again, twists and turns to serve your perspective. His point, and it is shared by many normal, rational people, is to have respect when attacking people's beliefs. Voicing an opinion about the validity of, or accuracy of one's beliefs is free speech. Insulting and assailing it is quite another. You may simply say you disagree without demonstrating with malice that someone else's opinion is wrong in your view.

The only "protection" he espouses is that respect for differing beliefs be protected from ridicule. That this escapes you is evidence of your desire to pervert what is written in clear english (as it happens) into some justifiable motive for abatement. Much like those who pervert their religion to do harm in the name of their "God". Also stated Pope Francis.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #101 on: January 15, 2015, 03:07:13 PM »
the intolerant PC.

Amen, brother.
Political correctness is the worst thing since feminism. Just an excuse to attack white males.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #102 on: January 15, 2015, 03:13:28 PM »
the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals


Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned..... ::)
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #103 on: January 15, 2015, 03:22:47 PM »
I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
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« Reply #104 on: January 15, 2015, 03:24:07 PM »
the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals


Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned..... ::)


The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!    8)

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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #105 on: January 15, 2015, 03:25:31 PM »


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I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
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Same here Bill, we get the Jehovah's witnesses a lot round here, I tell them "i'm a Jehovah's bystander, I'm not like the witnesses, i don't like getting involved.... ;D
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #106 on: January 15, 2015, 03:28:30 PM »
the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals


Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned..... ::)


The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!    8)

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself.... ::) 
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #107 on: January 15, 2015, 03:31:32 PM »
the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals


Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned..... ::)


The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!    8)

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself.... ::)

Ok Bro. 
Religion isn't political?  Right, I'm the ignorant one.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #108 on: January 15, 2015, 03:32:48 PM »
the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals


Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned..... ::)


The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!    8)

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself.... ::)

Ok Bro. 
Religion isn't political?  Right, I'm the ignorant one.

Glad you worked that out mate... ;D
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #109 on: January 15, 2015, 03:35:40 PM »
RR right on. +1 Further to your comment shortly after my wife died I received a religious type with daughter, the thought I was ripe to received the word of "GOD" I had a lapse and was polite (I still not sure why) instead of simply telling him to #$%* off and die and get off my property my politeness was construed to be something else and the second round started I finally had to tell him to go away, disgusting.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #110 on: January 15, 2015, 03:36:28 PM »
the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals


Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned..... ::)


The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!    8)

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself.... ::)

Ok Bro. 
Religion isn't political?  Right, I'm the ignorant one.

Glad you worked that out mate... ;D

Obviously, my comment went right over your head.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #111 on: January 15, 2015, 03:39:43 PM »
I simply feel saying you cannot blame the victim of a crime, particularly this crime.

I find it troublesome in this case because the leader of competitive religion has declared some speech off limits.  This can do nothing but reenforce the Islamist outrage as it is even supported by a pope.


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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #112 on: January 15, 2015, 03:40:41 PM »
the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals


Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned..... ::)


The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!    8)

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself.... ::)

Ok Bro. 
Religion isn't political?  Right, I'm the ignorant one.

Glad you worked that out mate... ;D

Obviously, my comment went right over your head.
Enjoy your diminished capacity.


Hahahaha, sarcasm isn't your best point....I got it mate, you didn't.... ;D
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #113 on: January 15, 2015, 03:53:31 PM »
I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
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Bill - I too would agree that you have every right within the confines of your personal space (home or in public) to politely or impolitely invite someone who is imposing their views (political, social, religious, economic) to go pound sand.

That is light years different from what Pope Francis was describing. His point was, the public assailing for the purpose of satire and "provocation" should be considered with far more measured respect.

It is irrational for anyone other than a zealot to respond the way these 2/3 swines in Paris did. It is no different than Occupy Wall Street, Neo-Nazis, Ferguson Looters, Anti-abortionists, etc. They are  all zealots and can not tolerate diverse thought or views.

Lumping or labeling these offenders (Paris) as religious zealots does a disservice to the more than 1 billion others who do not share their views. That's my point. It's akin to lumping anyone who owns a gun into the same category as the whack-job who shot up Sandy Hook Elementary, the book in Colorado who shot up a movie theater, etc. Or, characterizing anyone interested in racial equality the same as Louis Farrakhan.

It's not them adult of religion, or the religious. It's the deed of men/women who have perverted their ideologies to justify hate and rage. I can see no other explanation.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #114 on: January 15, 2015, 03:58:22 PM »
I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
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Bill - I too would agree that you have every right within the confines of your personal space (home or in public) to politely or impolitely invite someone who is imposing their views (political, social, religious, economic) to go pound sand.

That is light years different from what Poop Francis was describing. His point was, the public assailing for the purpose of satire and "provocation" should be considered with far more measured respect.

It is irrational for anyone other than a zealot to respond the way these 2/3 swines in Paris did. It is no different than Occupy Wall Street, Neo-Nazis, Ferguson Looters, Anti-abortionists, etc. They are  all zealots and can not tolerate diverse thought or views.

Lumping or labeling these offenders (Paris) as religious zealots does a disservice to the more than 1 billion others who do not share their views. That's my point. It's akin to lumping anyone who owns a gun into the same category as the whack-job who shot up Sandy Hook Elementary, the book in Colorado who shot up a movie theater, etc. Or, characterizing anyone interested in racial equality the same as Louis Farrakhan.

It's not them adult of religion, or the religious. It's the deed of men/women who have perverted their ideologies to justify hate and rage. I can see no other explanation.

Poop Francis .....nice one Cal.... ;D ;)

Cal, i think the word "zealots" differentiates them from the mainstream my friend.... ;)
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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #115 on: January 15, 2015, 04:02:08 PM »
My comment and it's not a slam is I think that you do them a service (the 3) by not calling them what they truly are which is #$%*s.
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« Reply #116 on: January 15, 2015, 04:02:56 PM »
Amen, brother.
Political correctness is the worst thing since feminism. Just an excuse to attack white males.
PC = hateful liberals
Glad we see it the same way.
While I appreciate your accord, I'm not sure we do see it the same way. I do see major challenges in dealing with social issues under the yoke of PC, I'm not sure I'd describe feminism (then) as such a terrible thing. And PC isn't it my view just an attack on white men.

I imagine tensions are high down there in Texas given the past couple of years of social strife. Do try and keep calm as there are lots of very good people on this forum, despite our many different views.  ;)
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« Reply #117 on: January 15, 2015, 04:12:52 PM »
That is light years different from what Poop Francis was describing.

Poop Francis .....nice one Cal.... ;D ;)

Cal, i think the word "zealots" differentiates them from the mainstream my friend.... ;)
LOL! Oops, I hope he doesn't get offended  ;) Retro, we always think alike, even is we disagree!
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« Reply #118 on: January 15, 2015, 04:16:26 PM »
I such a polite Canadian that I didn't say any thing.
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« Reply #119 on: January 15, 2015, 04:25:27 PM »
I such a polite Canadian that I didn't say any thing.
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Maybe my Freduian slip is showing just a bit?  ???
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« Reply #120 on: January 15, 2015, 04:37:34 PM »
That is light years different from what Poop Francis was describing.

Poop Francis .....nice one Cal.... ;D ;)

Cal, i think the word "zealots" differentiates them from the mainstream my friend.... ;)
LOL! Oops, I hope he doesn't get offended  ;) Retro, we always think alike, even is we disagree!

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Re: Terrorist attack in Paris
« Reply #121 on: January 15, 2015, 08:57:04 PM »


I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
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Same here Bill, we get the Jehovah's witnesses a lot round here, I tell them "i'm a Jehovah's bystander, I'm not like the witnesses, i don't like getting involved.... ;D
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« Reply #122 on: January 16, 2015, 03:31:55 AM »
Very little progress in science, art, engineering was done by those who stick to the dogma - my before coffee take on freedom of expression. ;)

And lighten it a bit:

This guy is walking down the street, waving big red banner yelling:  "Menstruation, menstruation!"

So somebody stops him and asks:

"Don't you mean revolution?"


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« Reply #123 on: January 16, 2015, 03:34:23 AM »
Damn that's funny, Scottly!  ;D
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« Reply #124 on: January 16, 2015, 07:33:59 AM »
Here is a long list of some of the good things that this religion of peace has done around the world to make it a better place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

We should all love them equally in return.   ;)

This didn't make this list?  Seriously?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
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