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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2016, 03:59:00 AM »
problem is that pole"s)) move to England..and British move to spain..the free marked move peapel and vorkplaces..to the chepest place to live/produce..
but this Places dont have the heigh standart to suport vhen they grov old.(and sick)
..so all English move back to brittan as they get sick and old.(like all danes in spain)..think you do the same..the day you get serios sick..if the Health systen is bad ...
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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2016, 02:36:47 PM »
Is it that straightforward?

I've been employed in the good ol' NHS as a Community Psychiatric Nurse for the past twenty years. There are eight CPNs in my team, four Social Workers and four Support Workers. We have 800+ people on the books, all with a psychotic illness. 5% of those at any time - roughly 40 - are not British nationals. We have referrals for Syrians, Turks, Poles, Iraquis, Romanians on a regular basis. Try treating a Syrian paranoid schizophrenic when they have been displaced, lost their kids in a bomb raid, don't speak English, don't have rights to claim housing or benefits, in crisis and vulnerable. The resources that these people need are unbelievable, and often simply not there. The other 95% - equally in need of help - range from age 14 to dead. We are overwhelmed and have had to create a waiting list. Try explaining that to the parents of a teenager who is self-harming and bent on self-destruction because the voices are telling him/her to kill themselves (or someone else). Does any of this affect our attitude to what we do? You decide. As an NHS employee I have to adhere to a Code of Conduct and I'm not allowed to publicly voice a personal opinion.

In my wife's hospital (she's been a general nurse, now Deputy Sister, for thirty years) there are other pressures. On her twelve-bed ward she currently has four patients who are 'fit for discharge' but who cannot return home because the community support they will need is not available. The domino effect means that patients in need of beds can't get them; patients are queued up on trolleys in the Accident and Emergency dept waiting to be admitted.

This isn't new. The pressure on the NHS has been building for years. The NHS may have an admirable mission statement, but It's a fcked up system. There's just not enough money to be everything to everybody. The latest bollocks is that all aspiring nurses have to be educated to degree level, a three year course costing them each £9000 GBP a year, precluding many who would make bloody good nurses but don't have the money or academic acumen to qualify. So we now have a shortage of nurses. And then there's the junior doctors who are expected to work seven days a week on a flat rate...

I understand why some are concerned about Brexit, and I wouldn't want to be an expat right now. In terms of the effect of the potential exodus from the EU by expats, all I would say is that this will be a drop in the ocean for the NHS compared to the impact immigration and open borders has had over the past few years. I wonder if some of those expats have been away so long that they're looking at the situation through rose-tinted glasses. Personally, I'd rather pay for my treatment than be left to die on a waiting list.
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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2016, 02:54:12 PM »
Err, sorry, went off on one there. This thread is about gloves right? ;D
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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2016, 03:19:22 PM »
Yeah, stop hijacking this thread Martin, it's not about you mate! Bloody overpaid, whiney health professionals.......  ;D
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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2016, 03:32:33 PM »
I take exception to that. There's nothing professional about me ;D
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« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2016, 03:58:44 PM »
I take exception to that. There's nothing professional about me ;D

Actually I think that anyone contemplating restoring an english bike has probably (literally) got a few screws loose mate, so you're probably in the right place! ;D
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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2016, 04:22:47 PM »
Martin's thread hijacking actually makes a good point.
American Psychiatric care is in a similar situation. 
What I read this morning, Venezuela's mental health system is in shambles. 
A complete crisis brought about by 1) Venezuelan Gov't dropping the ball on their socialist healthcare system budget 2) refusal of foreign aid 3) skyrocketing drug prices thanks to mega corp pharmaceutical company ... greed

African Mental Healthcare is a complete disgrace.  It's been left in the hands of the church.  So schizophrenia is literally being treated with prayer and holy water. 

I hope the Distinguished Gentlemans Ride is able to get more people talking about this problem.  I really do.

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2016, 04:34:35 PM »
I don't think most people give a rats arse about the extinguished gentleman's ride mate, so if you're waiting for that to change the world's mental health system, don't hold your breath........... ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2016, 05:21:31 PM »
I don't think most people give a rats arse about the extinguished gentleman's ride mate, so if you're waiting for that to change the world's mental health system, don't hold your breath........... ;D

Dgr is simply the spark.  All of us here ought to appreciate what a spark can do.

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2016, 05:38:21 PM »
I don't think most people give a rats arse about the extinguished gentleman's ride mate, so if you're waiting for that to change the world's mental health system, don't hold your breath........... ;D

Jaysus Terry, don't come over as some sort of a type of cynic sort of thing.

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« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2016, 05:50:10 PM »
I don't think most people give a rats arse about the extinguished gentleman's ride mate, so if you're waiting for that to change the world's mental health system, don't hold your breath........... ;D

Dgr is simply the spark.  All of us here ought to appreciate what a spark can do.

Yup, agree. Thankfully I was part of a movement in Ireland once that did kick start something major. I'm probably nowadays more of a recluse than even H.Hughes could ever manage, but if there is something that needs doing and political sh1t can be avoided, then I'll be there if I can help.

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2016, 07:12:09 PM »
This thread is about gloves right? ;D


I always wear gloves
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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2016, 07:29:37 PM »
This thread is about gloves right? ;D


I always wear gloves

Gloves are good. I like them.

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2016, 08:26:26 PM »
This thread is about gloves right? ;D


I always wear gloves

Gloves are good. I like them.

Are these track approved? 

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2016, 08:41:43 PM »
Just a shout-out to Martin.  Part of this forum is about understanding the Int'l situation - oh yeah, and gloves, and bikes.

Seriously tho - always good to hear a hands-on assessment of situations that do, in the long run affect us all - i.e. Brexit.  A lot of folks here in the U.S don't think it's a worry but dammit to hell, at this point we are all connected.  Legally or not, like it or not, hardly matters.  A wiggle in the GBP has an effect on the USD, the AUD, the NZD, the CAD etc.

Welcome to the new world.

I rode without gloves today in honor of this thread.  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2016, 03:52:43 AM »
I don't think most people give a rats arse about the extinguished gentleman's ride mate, so if you're waiting for that to change the world's mental health system, don't hold your breath........... ;D

Jaysus Terry, don't come over as some sort of a type of cynic sort of thing.

Kev

Well the problem with the DGR is that most bike guys (and non bike people alike) just think the participants are a bunch of posers on bikes playing dress up. (usually poorly)

Suicide Prevention is only one aim of the ride, (as I've just discovered after actually looking at the DGR site) the actual purpose for the whole ride is Men's health awareness, and I believe that it actually started with prostrate cancer awareness, and it then morphed in to all these other things.

No biggie, Cliff used $1000 of the money he raised from the two bikes that I donated to his charity project, the "Good deed Garage" to field a team for this years DGR, but as yet I haven't heard how much money they raised. I'm sure it's all for a good cause, but I don't think this is the spark everyone's (apparently) waiting for......... Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2016, 03:54:57 AM »
 Well this thread just inspired me to go out and buy a nice new stylish pair of riding gloves !!  Must admit they do make me feel more confident  ;)

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« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2016, 03:57:32 AM »
Geez you've got lovely hands Eric, how do you keep 'em looking so soft and supple? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2016, 05:50:21 AM »
$3.4 million usd worldwide Terry.  I know its a raindrop in the financial ocean.  But my hat goes off to the 2 riders in Suzhou China who raised $8 - seriously.

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2016, 06:06:44 AM »
This thread is about gloves right? ;D


I always wear gloves

Gloves are good. I like them.

Are these track approved? 


Well, they are not Home Depot Garden gloves, so Wilde man would not approve.
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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2016, 07:19:42 AM »
Well this thread just inspired me to go out and buy a nice new stylish pair of riding gloves !!  Must admit they do make me feel more confident  ;)

I referred your post to the French style police. Your gloves are approved.

Mes felicitations.

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« Reply #71 on: October 02, 2016, 07:26:51 AM »
This thread is about gloves right? ;D


I always wear gloves

Gloves are good. I like them.

Are these track approved?

The French style police say no. But what the fcuk do they know ?

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« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2016, 07:47:35 AM »
Now I'm getting pissed off. (Wrong thread ??) I decided to check exactly is now required of me in the Glove department and found this : http://moto-securite.fr/gants-obligatoires/

Now while I have an excellent pair of gloves, armoured with lots of kevlar and studs etc, they don't have a CE sticker, so they don't conform to the law. So I need to buy new gloves.

I'm moving to Donetsk where there are no laws.

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2016, 10:11:12 AM »
Guess we'll have to add more lace frillies to our riding gear.

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Re: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France
« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2016, 01:04:09 PM »
Now I'm getting pissed off. (Wrong thread ??) I decided to check exactly is now required of me in the Glove department and found this : http://moto-securite.fr/gants-obligatoires/

Now while I have an excellent pair of gloves, armoured with lots of kevlar and studs etc, they don't have a CE sticker, so they don't conform to the law. So I need to buy new gloves.

I'm moving to Donetsk where there are no laws.

Kev

Geez, bloody French bureaucracy almost makes the USA look like the land of the free!

I would have thought you of all people would know someone who could forge a bloody CE sticker Kev. You sure you're not making excuses because you want a pair like Eric's?  ;D
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