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Re: health care bill
« Reply #450 on: April 06, 2010, 06:19:02 PM »
ditto, once in it doesn't matter if it's local, state, national, it seems no one wants back out.
It should be viewed as public service, do you time and let someone else put in his.
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« Reply #451 on: April 06, 2010, 06:46:06 PM »
I'd like to pose a question.

Why aren't elections term limiters?
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« Reply #452 on: April 06, 2010, 06:52:16 PM »
I know that this has been posted already somewhere, but I am planning to vote incumbents out this term. If everyone did that we would need no term limits.

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« Reply #453 on: April 06, 2010, 06:58:46 PM »
I'd like to pose a question.

Why aren't elections term limiters?
Good question, they should be. If you look at some of the Senators from the South and other places, they have a machine which just puts them in office. Strom Thrumon had that going, Ted Kennedy had that going in Ma, they called it the Kennedy seat. Then there was that character in Alaska who wanted that bridge to nowhere. In some places anyone who delivers local money and jobs will get elected and elected. The problem with that is it does not take in the big picture, that some dopey bridge may put some temporary work money, it drains big  money from the rest of the Nation. Lately I have been polled about who I favor in the upcoming election. I tell them the let's save some time, if they are the incumbent just mark me down as no.    
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« Reply #454 on: April 06, 2010, 08:03:50 PM »
Entitlements.

Look at FDR.  His "tax and spend" entitlement programs locked us into an additional 10 years of depression while he droned on and on about how it was the evil bankers and financiers, then he pushed us into World War II.  However, the brainwashed socialist "academics" still insist that he was a great president.  Ugh.

It's the same old song and dance.  Socialists try to turn everything into a "class war", the gullible, stupid and lazy (the majority) believe it, and they keep on voting them back in.

I'd like to pose a question.

Why aren't elections term limiters?
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Re: health care bill
« Reply #455 on: April 06, 2010, 08:23:39 PM »

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« Reply #456 on: April 06, 2010, 09:03:20 PM »
Entitlements.

Look at FDR.  His "tax and spend" entitlement programs locked us into an additional 10 years of depression while he droned on and on about how it was the evil bankers and financiers, then he pushed us into World War II.  However, the brainwashed socialist "academics" still insist that he was a great president.  Ugh.

It's the same old song and dance.  Socialists try to turn everything into a "class war", the gullible, stupid and lazy (the majority) believe it, and they keep on voting them back in.

I'd like to pose a question.

Why aren't elections term limiters?

Crap...there's even talk he LET the japanese attack us, so as to be able to get  into the war.....get the war machine up and running.

He was really a dirty SOB.  Did all sorts of things to usurp the constitution.  He finally lost in Supreme Copurt when a wealthy poultry farm owner took him to court and said "this is the USA, you can't tell me how many chickens I may raise.....I have the freedom to run my business as I wish".  The Supreme court ruled in his favor, and FDR HAD to back down.

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« Reply #457 on: April 06, 2010, 09:06:26 PM »
one of the problems i believe is that i don't believe the government can control this thing properly
did i understand that insurance companies are being forced to insure these high risk people?

That's the idea.  Once the insurance companies are run out of business, government will have no choice but to step in and take over......single payer....checkmate.

Ridiculous rules requiring companies to ensure everyone, will make it impossible to stay in business.  Your freedoms are being taken away bit by bit.....

Amazing how many fools can't see the forest through the trees.
 
People are being set up and conned.  All under the notion that "he looks like a nice man". ::)


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« Reply #458 on: April 06, 2010, 09:47:43 PM »
I may not have said that here but I have said it alot elsewhere! Term limits for all of them. I sometimes think judges should have limits too.

I'm good with this (term limits) but further (and I think this was mentioned), nobody is exempt including the prez himself from the healthcare system we are about to be saddled with. 

The root of the issue here is the acquisition of (and maintaining) power.  When politicians are looking to grab more power (run more of our lives and controlling our economy like healthcare, for example), it is evidence that they're in this game for power.  Term limits are diametrically opposed to their quest.  Good luck finding any Democrat and any but a few Republicans that will support term limits. 
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« Reply #459 on: April 06, 2010, 10:33:01 PM »
Entitlements.

Look at FDR.  His "tax and spend" entitlement programs locked us into an additional 10 years of depression while he droned on and on about how it was the evil bankers and financiers, then he pushed us into World War II.  However, the brainwashed socialist "academics" still insist that he was a great president.  Ugh.

It's the same old song and dance.  Socialists try to turn everything into a "class war", the gullible, stupid and lazy (the majority) believe it, and they keep on voting them back in.

I'd like to pose a question.

Why aren't elections term limiters?

As opposed to the borrow and spend conservative.  The idea of the fiscally responsible conservative in politics is like the Yeti, Bigfoot, or the Loch Ness Monster.  It does not exist, it's a joke.  Didn't Reagen triple the national debt on his watch? The two Bush's had a similar track record.

  I guess you forgot about Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war on the U.S. on December 11 1941.  It's pretty obvious you don't know squat about history except for wing nut conspiracy theories.  Sounds like you would have favored staying out or maybe your sympathies lay elsewhere.
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« Reply #460 on: April 07, 2010, 04:57:47 AM »
It was very nice of Japan to declare war on us 4 days after they attacked us.....even a rattlesnake has the common courtesy to alert you before it strikes.

But all is well, "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" were payback for that.

And Japanese girls are so pretty!

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« Reply #461 on: April 07, 2010, 06:11:36 AM »
ditto, once in it doesn't matter if it's local, state, national, it seems no one wants back out.
It should be viewed as public service, do you time and let someone else put in his.

I'd like to pose a question.

Why aren't elections term limiters?

Yes, but... Some of these guys actually get good at it and I would like the option of keeping a politician in the job who was good at it.

I think you're mistaking term-limits as the solution when what we really need is to stop the district gerrymandering that allows parties and incumbents to basically null and void elections by creating safe districts.

Here's a good one


Wikipedia seems to have the most succinct description here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

Couple up an independent districting commission with publicly funded elections and you probably get rid of the two most onerous problems we face today in getting congress to do their jobs.

No reason to toss the baby out with the bathwater if you know what I mean - just demand the process be fixed and all you tea-partiers and socialists can vote and be heard just like anyone.

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« Reply #462 on: April 07, 2010, 06:25:43 AM »
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Ridiculous rules requiring companies to ensure everyone, will make it impossible to stay in business.  Your freedoms are being taken away bit by bit..
And this JUST started Joe? Now who can't see through the trees.

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« Reply #463 on: April 07, 2010, 07:46:54 AM »
FYI:

Insurers, state up the ante in health rates dispute

The stand-off between Massachusetts regulators and health insurance companies intensified today as most insurers stopped offering new coverage to small businesses and individuals while state officials demanded that the insurers post updated rates online and resume selling such policies by the end of the week.

People seeking to buy health insurance for the first time, or existing customers looking to change policies, found themselves out of luck, at least temporarily, in the aftermath of last week's decision by the state Division of Insurance to reject 235 of 274 premium increases proposed by insurers for what is known as the small group market. The segment covers about 800,000 residents.

Full Story http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2010/04/insurers_state.html   
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Re: health care bill
« Reply #464 on: April 07, 2010, 09:03:44 AM »
It was very nice of Japan to declare war on us 4 days after they attacked us.....even a rattlesnake has the common courtesy to alert you before it strikes.

But all is well, "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" were payback for that.

And Japanese girls are so pretty!

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Japan declared war on Dec 7th.  It was to have taken place before the attack but due to communications and technical difficulties it was late.  Still sneaky but that is what happened.  Germany declared it on Dec. 11th. 

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« Reply #465 on: April 07, 2010, 09:51:23 AM »
well, that's what I had always been led to believe, that the formal declaration of war arrived late, and therefore the Pearl Harbor attack had already commenced by the time the Japanese ambassador arrived with the declaration....but in the interest of civility, I let it go.....nevertheless, it was a sneak attack, and payback came in the form of 2 uranium bombs on major industrial cities.  Amazing to think we actually used them!  Alot of innocents were killed or maimed....but such is war.....the more awful it is, the quicker it is over.  Without the bombs, we would have lost close to a million lives in trying to take over mainland Japan.

Perhaps someday, the age of wars will end.  One can hope.

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« Reply #466 on: April 07, 2010, 09:59:02 AM »
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Ridiculous rules requiring companies to ensure everyone, will make it impossible to stay in business.  Your freedoms are being taken away bit by bit..
And this JUST started Joe? Now who can't see through the trees.

Let.This.Ugly.Thing.Die!

My point is, that prior to the new law, insurance companies were TRULY private businesses, and could conduct business in such a manner as to create a profit and make decisions that kept the business healthy.  Now under the new law, you MUST insure people, irregardless whether it is a wise BUSINESS move or not....Same as a bank loaning money.......some people are just a bad risk when you want your money back...as cruel and mean as it may sound, people open businesses to MAKE MONEY, not to provide jobs for any and everybody.....and, some people just have a hard time with the concept of paying your debts.  At any rate.... in time, it will bankrupt these businesses, and government will have to then take it over.  It is my contention that that has been the plan all along.

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« Reply #467 on: April 07, 2010, 10:07:22 AM »
Actually fat man was a plutonium based bomb.

As for that last bit of crap you postedthat got the US into its current mess. Also, you seem to forget that private insurance still exists in almost all countries around the world, even those with "socialized" healthcare. but according to you, some people should just get sick and die that way businesses can keep making their money and do not have to worry about risks. Should we hope a close family member of yours encounters this situation, maybe you would sing a different tune then?
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« Reply #468 on: April 07, 2010, 10:14:27 AM »

Perhaps someday, the age of wars will end.  One can hope.

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Amen to that Joe. My Father worked on the Manhattan Project.
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« Reply #469 on: April 07, 2010, 11:57:01 AM »
Actually fat man was a plutonium based bomb.

As for that last bit of crap you postedthat got the US into its current mess. Also, you seem to forget that private insurance still exists in almost all countries around the world, even those with "socialized" healthcare. but according to you, some people should just get sick and die that way businesses can keep making their money and do not have to worry about risks. Should we hope a close family member of yours encounters this situation, maybe you would sing a different tune then?

Where exactly, did I say this?

I stated, that any business that operates on a "feel good" precept, instead of a profit basis WILL FAIL.

The banking industy failed because the government told the banks you MUST give loans to people irregardless of their ability to pay for it.  Next thing you know.....ALOT of people were in default, and the banks were going under becasue they were FORCED to give out risky loans.  According to your doctrine, they shouldn't have had to pay for the house anyway......they should have been given a house by the government, and that it's "mean" to expect someone to have to pay for something they want.

Now, the government is going to tell insurance companies you MUST insure someone who comes in off the street who is deathly ill.  The insurance company is basically being forced to foot the bill.   While it may seem "mean spirited"....fact is that a business cannot operate in an environment where they are forced to make decisions that will cost money.  Would you sell your motorcycle to someone who told you they would "pay you later?"  I bet you wouldn't...you would want the money now.  Yet, you would ask the insurance company to insure someone who is getting ready to die......what are the pluses for the company?  What profit?  That is just money going out....no money going in....and business can't operate in the red like that.  That is why 9 out of 10 new businesses fail.  Life is a b1tch, and business is a dog eat dog world.

But, never fear.....Obama will be everyone's sugar daddy, and give you all your needs....so no worry.

That is of course, until the amount of money being printed reaches a point where inflation kicks in, and we lose our A+ bond rating.  Then Oil will will move from being traded on the US Dollar to another currency.....

Then you might as well get used to the idea of living in a Marxist regime.

So, you have two choices, you can keep getting all emotional and butt hurt and lashing out at me for being "mean"....or understand that emotion based decisions have no place in business.  they can't....becasue the next business will do what you do for less.....so you compete, or move on.  That competition is what keeps prices LOW.  

We are on the road to Marxism.  When all other options have been extinguished, as they will be by killing off private enterprise, then you will answer to what you are told to do.  

Oh, and the free speech that you think they are championing....will be gone.  Look at how much love and patience the Dem's have right now for the Tea Party?  They only love free speech as long as you agree with THEM.

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« Reply #470 on: April 07, 2010, 12:08:50 PM »
And the shame is....all the countries in the world are moving more towards a capitalist business based economy because the Socialism/Communism crap FAILED.  Yet, we are reverting back into a failed concept....all under the guise of entitlement, and a desire to have all worries and cares wiped away.

And yes.....I don't feel a compelling desire to pay your way for you.

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« Reply #471 on: April 07, 2010, 12:13:35 PM »
Hi,

I do not live in the US, I'm a dutch citizen, and here the health care is always insured for everyone.
I thought this health care insurance was the best thing that could happen to the US, and I was amazed about the reactions.

In my opinion it has nothing to do with Marxism, or any other political movement, other then humanity.
At the moment the politics in the Netherlands are becoming more extreme, with Job Cohen on the left wing, and Geert Wilders on the right wing.
Both political extremes are NOT arguing about the health care system, the health care system is untouched by both, as it is something outside politics.

Again, I'm not an American citizen, so maybe my view on the subject maybe different,

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« Reply #472 on: April 07, 2010, 12:13:47 PM »
The banking industy failed because the government told the banks you MUST give loans to people irregardless of their ability to pay for it.  Next thing you know.....ALOT of people were in default, and the banks were going under becasue they were FORCED to give out risky loans.

Jeez, dude. Really? That's what you think happened?

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« Reply #473 on: April 07, 2010, 12:43:28 PM »
He also seems to think that countries are moving toward capitalist systems?

How did communism fail? China is still going strong. north korea is doing fine.
I have not seen Canada become capitalist. Put down the crack pipe joe. Either that or the ozone from too many shorted electrical junctions.

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My point is, that prior to the new law, insurance companies were TRULY private businesses, and could conduct business in such a manner as to create a profit and make decisions that kept the business healthy.  Now under the new law, you MUST insure people, irregardless whether it is a wise BUSINESS move or not....Same as a bank loaning money.......some people are just a bad risk when you want your money back...as cruel and mean as it may sound, people open businesses to MAKE MONEY, not to provide jobs for any and everybody
Didja forget this little nugget joe?
So in a round about way, yes you did say
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but according to you, some people should just get sick and die that way businesses can keep making their money and do not have to worry about risks.

Also, no one has ever paid my way. But then if I had to rely on people like you, joe, I would rather live in a swamp.
Thanks for showing us how low humans can go when they cant be bothered to help others.

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« Reply #474 on: April 07, 2010, 12:48:23 PM »
The banking industy failed because the government told the banks you MUST give loans to people irregardless of their ability to pay for it.  Next thing you know.....ALOT of people were in default, and the banks were going under becasue they were FORCED to give out risky loans.

Jeez, dude. Really? That's what you think happened?

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