Topic: Norwegian cafe.. Oil tank in the swingarm....

[strynboen]

how many % of oli are in oil tank..think that dry sump thing are fake..all sohc have dobbel oilpump..but only 750 have oiltank..my teori is that honda just have oil tank,,on erly models to make old english bayers happy..and to kooling oil a bit

[Syscrush]

This is a cool build.  Watching with great interest!

If you really want to increase oil capacity, why aren't you using the swingarm itself to hold oil?

[wannabridin]

he is using the swingarm to hold the oil.  have you been reading this at all??  haha!

[Syscrush]

he is using the swingarm to hold the oil.  have you been reading this at all??  haha!

Will the swingarm itself be used to hold the oil?  It looks like what's happening is a tank is getting welded on top of the swingarm, but the interior volume of the arm itself will not be used to hold oil.

[wannabridin]

my interpretation would be that the swingarm would hold oil, because we discussed having it welded back up and pressure tested for leaks.

[lordmember1969]

This is a cool build.  Watching with great interest!

If you really want to increase oil capacity, why aren't you using the swingarm itself to hold oil?

Thanks

my interpretation would be that the swingarm would hold oil, because we discussed having it welded back up and pressure tested for leaks.

Yes that is correct:) The swingarm itself will hold 2 litres of oil, will add more by adding an extra spin on filter. Think that alone should give me enough oil capacity.. But if I could find an oil pan with a bigger sump it would not hurt?? Went to my freind who is helping me weld it with the parts tonight. Will ad some pictures of the prefabricated parts for the tank

[Syscrush]

Yes that is correct:) The swingarm itself will hold 2 litres of oil, will add more by adding an extra spin on filter. Think that alone should give me enough oil capacity.. But if I could find an oil pan with a bigger sump it would not hurt?? Went to my freind who is helping me weld it with the parts tonight. Will ad some pictures of the prefabricated parts for the tank

I'm sorry, I got confused.  My initial assumption was that this was the case, but then when I saw the roughed-in tank parts I thought that it was just a tank mounted on the swinger.

Really looking forward to seeing more here.

[lordmember1969]

Yes that is correct:) The swingarm itself will hold 2 litres of oil, will add more by adding an extra spin on filter. Think that alone should give me enough oil capacity.. But if I could find an oil pan with a bigger sump it would not hurt?? Went to my freind who is helping me weld it with the parts tonight. Will ad some pictures of the prefabricated parts for the tank

I'm sorry, I got confused.  My initial assumption was that this was the case, but then when I saw the roughed-in tank parts I thought that it was just a tank mounted on the swinger.

Really looking forward to seeing more here.

Hopefully will be done welding it during next week:)

[lordmember1969]

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 Will ad some pictures of the prefabricated parts for the tank


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This will become the oiltank



6$ adapter (for GM filters)bought on ebay to add extra oilfilter on the return line Have to fabricate the connections, but should be easy.

[Syscrush]

I can't tell you how excited I am at the prospect of seeing a nice CB750 without that big ugly oil tank!!! 

[HedNut]

Oh yeah!! This is too cool!... for school..... makin' me drool....   
I can't wait either!!

[g_lightning]

I'm late to the show, but I am LOVING your build.    Looks like it is going to be a awesome bike.  I wish I had your kind of mechanic/engineering knowledge.

[lordmember1969]

Thank you Hope it works:) Cant think of any reason why not

[Alan F.]

Anyone found a god bicycle speedo? Want one with big numbers that are easy to read to go into the headlamp:)  Thanks:)


Here you go:  Plenty of features, languages and settings. Big digits with a backlight, and you can get it in a wired version so that your ignition system doesn't interfere with it.   I grabbed a lower end model from ebay a while back, new in the box for $14USD shipped, deals are out there.
Cheers!
http://www.sigmasport.com/us/produkte/bikecomputer/topline_wired/bc1606l/

[Syscrush]

Here you go:  Plenty of features, languages and settings. Big digits with a backlight, and you can get it in a wired version so that your ignition system doesn't interfere with it.   I grabbed a lower end model from ebay a while back, new in the box for $14USD shipped, deals are out there.
Cheers!
http://www.sigmasport.com/us/produkte/bikecomputer/topline_wired/bc1606l/

I think you'd have a very difficult time pressing the backlight button with motorcycle gloves on.

[Kong]

I'm thinking about that swing arm oil tank deal and to be honest about it I wouldn't do it.  There are two reasons.  First is that the unsprung weight of the rear suspension will be increased by the weight of the oil and fittings and that will have a detrimental effect on handling, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.  Its also going to get awfully interesting if an oil line or weld breaks and all that oil gets dumped on the rear tire, awfully interesting.  The second reason has more to do with the oil itself, it will be greatly agitated and I'd be concerned about air entrainment which would be awfully erosive to bearings.  Every hump and bump in the road, ever pebble, will shake that unsprung swingarm like the remote oil tank (hung on the sprung side of the structure) never experienced.

Just something to think about. 

[lordmember1969]

Anyone found a god bicycle speedo? Want one with big numbers that are easy to read to go into the headlamp:)  Thanks:)


Here you go:  Plenty of features, languages and settings. Big digits with a backlight, and you can get it in a wired version so that your ignition system doesn't interfere with it.   I grabbed a lower end model from ebay a while back, new in the box for $14USD shipped, deals are out there.
Cheers!
http://www.sigmasport.com/us/produkte/bikecomputer/topline_wired/bc1606l/

Thanks:)

[Syscrush]

I'm thinking about that swing arm oil tank deal and to be honest about it I wouldn't do it.  There are two reasons.  First is that the unsprung weight of the rear suspension will be increased by the weight of the oil and fittings and that will have a detrimental effect on handling, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.  Its also going to get awfully interesting if an oil line or weld breaks and all that oil gets dumped on the rear tire, awfully interesting.  The second reason has more to do with the oil itself, it will be greatly agitated and I'd be concerned about air entrainment which would be awfully erosive to bearings.  Every hump and bump in the road, ever pebble, will shake that unsprung swingarm like the remote oil tank (hung on the sprung side of the structure) never experienced.

Just something to think about. 

This all makes a lot of sense - but how do you think those problems are mitigated with the Buell bikes and not this bike?  I don't know any of the details of what Buell does with its oil in the swingarm design.

[lordmember1969]

I'm thinking about that swing arm oil tank deal and to be honest about it I wouldn't do it.  There are two reasons.  First is that the unsprung weight of the rear suspension will be increased by the weight of the oil and fittings and that will have a detrimental effect on handling, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.  Its also going to get awfully interesting if an oil line or weld breaks and all that oil gets dumped on the rear tire, awfully interesting.  The second reason has more to do with the oil itself, it will be greatly agitated and I'd be concerned about air entrainment which would be awfully erosive to bearings.  Every hump and bump in the road, ever pebble, will shake that unsprung swingarm like the remote oil tank (hung on the sprung side of the structure) never experienced.

Just something to think about. 

You are right about the unsprung weight.. But will have to live with that.. Have taken off some weight off the bike and also lowered some of it asswell. Not to concerned about oil leaks.Will weld it and pressuretest it afterward. So should be good there. I guess an oil leak could happend to the stock oiltank asswell.. But this is done to make it look god:) But also think it will handle well..

Thanks:)

[lordmember1969]

I'm thinking about that swing arm oil tank deal and to be honest about it I wouldn't do it.  There are two reasons.  First is that the unsprung weight of the rear suspension will be increased by the weight of the oil and fittings and that will have a detrimental effect on handling, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.  Its also going to get awfully interesting if an oil line or weld breaks and all that oil gets dumped on the rear tire, awfully interesting.  The second reason has more to do with the oil itself, it will be greatly agitated and I'd be concerned about air entrainment which would be awfully erosive to bearings.  Every hump and bump in the road, ever pebble, will shake that unsprung swingarm like the remote oil tank (hung on the sprung side of the structure) never experienced.

Just something to think about. 

This all makes a lot of sense - but how do you think those problems are mitigated with the Buell bikes and not this bike?  I don't know any of the details of what Buell does with its oil in the swingarm design.

Think it will work well:) Have seen other who have done this asswell:) This will not be my Dali rider and won't be to comfortable If i want to take long rides I will go for my Road King This is a Cafe Racer But I am pretty confident it will run and stop well:)

[lordmember1969]

The second reason has more to do with the oil itself, it will be greatly agitated and I'd be concerned about air entrainment which would be awfully erosive to bearings.  Every hump and bump in the road, ever pebble, will shake that unsprung swingarm like the remote oil tank (hung on the sprung side of the structure) never experienced.

Just something to think about.  

Under the swingarm I will ad a big GM (ca 1litre) spin on filter attached to the frame, where the oil can settle before it goes into the sump. So not to concerned here either.. but will give this some thought when making oil lines and placing the filter..

Thanks

[Alan F.]

I can only think that relocating more weight nearer to or below the alxe centerline will help handling.

[strynboen]

alternative are to build it in gas tank,,but svingarm are fine and low..

[lordmember1969]

alternative are to build it in gas tank,,but svingarm are fine and low..

Did think off that at first (oil in tank),or build a oil tank under the seat. But think the swingarm is a better solution  

[lordmember1969]

Actually there are deeper oil pans, I bought one from one of the guys here on the forum.


Rob

Anyone have more info on the deeper oilpan?