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Alternator Up Grade 32amps
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:04:35 PM »
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I have been working on a 32amps and 45amps Alternator up grade. The 32amp one is ready for road testing.

The 45amp one still need a few thing dune to it. The stock rotor weights 5 lbs 12 oz the 32amp rotor weights

2 lbs 4oz.
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 12:09:49 PM »
Wow. This is very cool.

How much do you expect this kit to cost? (assuming you're planning to sell)

What is roughly the ouput of the stock alt?

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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 12:17:48 PM »
Quote from: iron_worker on February 07, 2013, 12:09:49 PM
Wow. This is very cool.

How much do you expect this kit to cost? (assuming you're planning to sell)

What is roughly the ouput of the stock alt?

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Yes, agreed.

I have the same questions.
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2013, 12:26:13 PM »
Quote from: iron_worker on February 07, 2013, 12:09:49 PM
Wow. This is very cool.

How much do you expect this kit to cost? (assuming you're planning to sell)

What is roughly the ouput of the stock alt?

IW
  The stock alternator out put is 17amps. not sure how much it will cost yet. It Will be flywheel
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 01:00:48 PM »
Anders, can the alternator cover be shortened with your planned kit? Thanks. RR
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2013, 01:11:00 PM »
Quote from: Ricky_Racer on February 07, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
Anders, can the alternator cover be shortened with your planned kit? Thanks. RR
As you can see in the photo there is a lot of space in the cover and a differant space used with a differant cover
the stock cover walls are papered end the mount holes location for the stator is critical
I think the 32amp alt will work on the 500,550,350 and 400 also.
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2013, 01:18:31 PM »
Quote from: Ricky_Racer on February 07, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
Anders, can the alternator cover be shortened with your planned kit? Thanks. RR

If these will work with a shortened cover i'm in for sure, I need more output for my fuel injected 1000cc build.... 8)

Also, i can't believe, with all the talent on this forum, that this hasn't been done as a kit already.... :o
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2013, 01:23:48 PM »
Quote from: anders288 on February 07, 2013, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: Ricky_Racer on February 07, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
Anders, can the alternator cover be shortened with your planned kit? Thanks. RR
As you can see in the photo there is a lot of space in the cover and a differant space used with a differant cover
the stock cover walls are papered end the mount holes location for the stator is critical
I think the 32amp alt will work on the 500,550,350 and 400 also.

Thanks, Anders. If this kit doesn't require machining the crank snout and will also fit into a reasonable budget, I'm definitely interested as well. RR
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2013, 01:25:07 PM »
RR: Couldn't the stock cover be modified with a tapered panel welded on the edge closes to the pavement. A completely fresh cover would be a handful to create, getting the placement of the holes, etc.

As to why it hasn't been done already, maybe its a technology thing?

To the extent anders would feel comfortable doing so, I'd like 20 words or less on how it works and why now rather than ten years ago?
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2013, 01:26:15 PM »
Quote from: Retro Rocket on February 07, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Ricky_Racer on February 07, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
Anders, can the alternator cover be shortened with your planned kit? Thanks. RR

If these will work with a shortened cover I'm in for sure, I need more output for my fuel injected 1000cc build.... 8)

Also, i can't believe, with all the talent on this forum, that this hasn't been done as a kit already.... :o

      I'm sure you have herd the one about time and money.
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2013, 01:36:19 PM »
Quote from: anders288 on February 07, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
Quote from: Retro Rocket on February 07, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Ricky_Racer on February 07, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
Anders, can the alternator cover be shortened with your planned kit? Thanks. RR

If these will work with a shortened cover I'm in for sure, I need more output for my fuel injected 1000cc build.... 8)

Also, i can't believe, with all the talent on this forum, that this hasn't been done as a kit already.... :o

      I'm sure you have herd the one about time and money.


Yes, but some of us don't care.... ;D   Have you seen the billet blocks Mike Reick is making..? {i have one of those as well...}  :P
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2013, 01:43:23 PM »
Quote from: MCRider on February 07, 2013, 01:25:07 PM
RR: Couldn't the stock cover be modified with a tapered panel welded on the edge closes to the pavement. A completely fresh cover would be a handful to create, getting the placement of the holes, etc.

As to why it hasn't been done already, maybe its a technology thing?

To the extent anders would feel comfortable doing so, I'd like 20 words or less on how it works and why now rather than ten years ago?
 

          An Alternator  out put is mainly controlled by it's magnetic field and it's almost imposable to pull the stator out of the

         flywheel and if the end of you finger gets in between the cover and engine when it's being install  your going to need a bandaid.

          And it only weighs 2 lbs 4 oz 
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2013, 01:44:31 PM »
Quote from: TwoTired on February 07, 2013, 01:37:54 PM
Do you have any performance curves or duty cycle info on the unit?  Conversion efficiencies?

At what RPM is that 32 amp peak?

Cheers,
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2013, 01:46:34 PM »
Quote from: MCRider on February 07, 2013, 01:25:07 PM
RR: Couldn't the stock cover be modified with a tapered panel welded on the edge closes to the pavement. A completely fresh cover would be a handful to create, getting the placement of the holes, etc.


No need to create another cover Ron, just cut some out of the original cover and tig it back up, seen it done before mate.... ;)
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 01:47:18 PM »
Quote from: Retro Rocket on February 07, 2013, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: anders288 on February 07, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
Quote from: Retro Rocket on February 07, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Ricky_Racer on February 07, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
Anders, can the alternator cover be shortened with your planned kit? Thanks. RR

If these will work with a shortened cover I'm in for sure, I need more output for my fuel injected 1000cc build.... 8)

Also, i can't believe, with all the talent on this forum, that this hasn't been done as a kit already.... :o

      I'm sure you have herd the one about time and money.


Yes, but some of us don't care.... ;D   Have you seen the billet blocks Mike Reick is making..? {i have one of those as well...}  :P

        Yes I have seen  Mike's bike I'm going to install one on his bike
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 01:53:19 PM »
Quote from: Retro Rocket on February 07, 2013, 01:46:34 PM
Quote from: MCRider on February 07, 2013, 01:25:07 PM
RR: Couldn't the stock cover be modified with a tapered panel welded on the edge closes to the pavement. A completely fresh cover would be a handful to create, getting the placement of the holes, etc.



               I would want to have a rigid welding  fixture to hold everything in place if I was going to do it.

No need to create another cover Ron, just cut some out of the original cover and tig it back up, seen it done before mate.... ;)
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2013, 02:51:30 PM »
Let us know as soon as you have an idea of pricing... ;)
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2013, 03:48:23 PM »
Quote from: anders288 on February 07, 2013, 01:47:18 PM
Quote from: Retro Rocket on February 07, 2013, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: anders288 on February 07, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
Quote from: Retro Rocket on February 07, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Ricky_Racer on February 07, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
Anders, can the alternator cover be shortened with your planned kit? Thanks. RR

If these will work with a shortened cover I'm in for sure, I need more output for my fuel injected 1000cc build.... 8)

Also, i can't believe, with all the talent on this forum, that this hasn't been done as a kit already.... :o

      I'm sure you have herd the one about time and money.


Yes, but some of us don't care.... ;D   Have you seen the billet blocks Mike Reick is making..? {i have one of those as well...}  :P

        Yes I have seen  Mike's bike I'm going to install one on his bike
Yup....that's the plan. Anders has been over my house several times. He is a great fella with a huge amount of bike knowledge. He has dedicated a good amount of time to this project. He has other good ideas too but....time and money. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2013, 04:00:13 PM »
I have seen the rotors and spacers that Anders has been machining and its very good quality and well worth the money -  Ill be road testing the rotors once the snow melts. Cant wait! Anders has a lot of talent...

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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2013, 04:02:50 PM »
Quote from: anders288 on February 07, 2013, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: MCRider on February 07, 2013, 01:25:07 PM
RR: Couldn't the stock cover be modified with a tapered panel welded on the edge closes to the pavement. A completely fresh cover would be a handful to create, getting the placement of the holes, etc.

As to why it hasn't been done already, maybe its a technology thing?

To the extent anders would feel comfortable doing so, I'd like 20 words or less on how it works and why now rather than ten years ago?
 

          An Alternator  out put is mainly controlled by it's magnetic field and it's almost imposable to pull the stator out of the

         flywheel and if the end of you finger gets in between the cover and engine when it's being install  your going to need a bandaid.

          And it only weighs 2 lbs 4 oz
It is sobering when that cover is grabbed by that magnetic force. ::) I hate messing with modern alternator covers.
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2013, 04:20:53 AM »
Quote from: anders288 on February 07, 2013, 12:04:35 PM
   The stock rotor weights 5 lbs 12 oz the 32amp rotor weights
2 lbs 4oz.


That's a pretty significant weight loss. Anyone racing these things would want one unlesss they go straight discharge and remove it all.
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2013, 07:39:12 AM »
Quote from: rotortiller link=topic=117735.msg1329677#msg1329677 date=1360316985

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duty cycle info on the unit?

Most of us expect you intend the thing to run at least a full tank of fuel.  :)
Many common bikes today run 30-40 amp alternator ratings.
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2013, 09:54:53 AM »
This dovetails nicely with Mooshy's post about using heated clothing. With an upgrade like this running a heated vest should not be a problem.
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2013, 10:06:15 AM »
Quote from: Bankerdanny on February 08, 2013, 09:54:53 AM
This dovetails nicely with Mooshy's post about using heated clothing. With an upgrade like this running a heated vest should not be a problem.

Exactly!
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Re: Altenator Up Grade 32amps
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