Author Topic: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build (Read 384067 times)

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1600 on:** June 14, 2017, 04:57:31 PM »

Yeah, that's nice. I believe the coils that come with are actually Subaru coils. Maybe I'll join the local Subaru club, haha.

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Camrector · « **Reply #1601 on:** June 14, 2017, 05:18:57 PM »

Awesome sauce!
Very happy to hear how easy the set up is

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1602 on:** June 14, 2017, 07:51:34 PM »

So you guys with the C5 and the 650, has anyone else installed it yet? Is your plate too small? I spoke with Paul and sent him pictures and video of how sloppy the plate was and he says he's going to make new ones. Currently this plate is used for the CB650 and CBX1000, but it really only fits the CBX1000. Anyone who previously bought a C5 for the 650 can trade their plate in for the new one once they're made. Not sure how long that'll be, might want to give him an email in a couple weeks. Or, you can file notches like I did. Works just fine once it's tightened down.

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SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #1603 on:** June 14, 2017, 11:03:52 PM »

Quote from: DaveBarbier on June 14, 2017, 07:51:34 PM

So you guys with the C5 and the 650, has anyone else installed it yet? Is your plate too small? I spoke with Paul and sent him pictures and video of how sloppy the plate was and he says he's going to make new ones. Currently this plate is used for the CB650 and CBX1000, but it really only fits the CBX1000. Anyone who previously bought a C5 for the 650 can trade their plate in for the new one once they're made. Not sure how long that'll be, might want to give him an email in a couple weeks. Or, you can file notches like I did. Works just fine once it's tightened down.

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Thanks for the heads up, Dave. I haven't taken mine out of the box. I'll have to have a look.

Camrector · « **Reply #1604 on:** June 14, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Looks like we will all be breaking out the files

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1605 on:** June 15, 2017, 04:25:30 AM »

No problem guys, other than that it fits nice! I did have trouble pushing the included shaft into the crank because the o-ring he uses seems a hair fat. I swapped o-rings with an OEM one I had. But maybe someone with normal human male strength would be able to do it...

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sinister902 · « **Reply #1606 on:** June 15, 2017, 05:30:20 AM »

add me to the list of guys with a 650 C5 ign and haven't installed yet. LOL.

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1607 on:** June 15, 2017, 05:43:53 AM »

Haha, you guys are hilarious. With all the R and D I'm doing I expect compensation.

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SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #1608 on:** June 15, 2017, 08:35:04 AM »

I'm starting a beer fund for you!

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1609 on:** June 15, 2017, 10:49:11 AM »

Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on June 15, 2017, 08:35:04 AM

I'm starting a beer fund for you!

Ooohh damn, haha! Beer and I get along quite well.

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1610 on:** June 17, 2017, 05:57:10 AM »

Is there anything wrong with giving coils a constant power source? The C5 says that it's recommended to run power and ground directly to the battery. Do coils draw power without being triggered by the ignition? I'd rather not run a relay to turn them on but will if I have to.

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SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #1611 on:** June 17, 2017, 07:07:29 AM »

The C5 uses an optical sensor to trigger the coils on and off (apparently much more precisely than a Dyna) so that's why you can use a 3 ohm coil without failures due to longer charging durations and heat. http://www.c5ignitions.com/c5-technology.html

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1612 on:** June 17, 2017, 07:17:52 AM »

Right, but I'm curious if it's good practice to give a constant 12 volts to the coils. Even when key is off.

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bwaller · « **Reply #1613 on:** June 17, 2017, 08:21:48 AM »

No, they shouldn't be powered if the bike isn't running.

RAFster122s · « **Reply #1614 on:** June 17, 2017, 10:18:17 AM »

Some bikes the coils if left on overnight will cause them to overheat and burn out a winding. CA95 was said to be subject to this...
gotta drop the motor to access coilson some Honda bikes, fortunately many of those are small displacement and easy to drop...
David

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1615 on:** June 17, 2017, 10:43:55 AM »

Well, I'd have to think that it wouldn't be an issue to leave power to them at all times. Otherwise it would mention to use a relay or use switched power in the manual. But it says, "We recommend the coil power and ground leads go directly to the battery." Of course my power will be fused also.

bwaller · « **Reply #1616 on:** June 17, 2017, 11:37:10 AM »

I use relays in mine, so battery + supplies the relay directly, but the relay is triggered by a kill switch, or on a street bike by both the key switch & kill. Indeed Dyna coils will overheat if power is left on.

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1617 on:** June 18, 2017, 04:00:45 AM »

Ok, to be safe I ran a relay.

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DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1618 on:** June 19, 2017, 01:44:09 PM »

So ignition is done and I'm officially just waiting on my jet kit to come in. Got 2 oil changes worth of high zinc break in oil and I'm just trying to calm my nerves while thinking about the first start up.

One little thing I feel like documenting is that I'm running the crank breather hose behind the motor. I have use a crank case filter breather on my 550 and after it gets saturated with oil it just drips over the #3 rubber carb insulators and then the motor. Not fun. An actual tube is much nicer. Got some buna-n hose from McMaster for that.

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #1619 on:** June 19, 2017, 02:21:46 PM »

I have a combo hose into an Uni filter. It keeps most of the satuated oil drip down to a minimum,

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1620 on:** June 19, 2017, 03:54:42 PM »

I was thinking of doing a catch cam but I decided against it. But now, maybe I'll at least add a little filter foam or a piece of cloth at the end so nothing climbs up there and tries to ruin my cam. I'm pretty sure earlier bikes only had a hose. The later one's, of course, were routed into the airbox.

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DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1621 on:** June 23, 2017, 05:23:53 AM »

I posted in the wanted section but anyone know of someone who has Keihin CR's with extra needles? I'm looking for (4) YY7. They're delayed until mid July. Worst case I'll wait

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1622 on:** June 28, 2017, 10:37:40 AM »

Oh my god. It's running. So far it seems to be running very nicely. Can't find any real issues yet, but I'm still looking

After a short ride the power is very noticeable, even without the dyno tune. I'll go on a limb and say it's damn fast, haha. Speaking of tuning, the jets that Mike from Powerbarn recommended for my setup is SUPER close. I can't feel any weird spots over 1/4 throttle and there's no back firing on decel. Probably rich in the pilot circuit as there's a slight bogging at a little over 1/8ish throttle. The dyno tune should be fairly easy, fingers crossed!

Also, the Hindle sounds amazing.

Going to try and put 50 miles on it today then change the oil. Psyched!

flatlander · « **Reply #1623 on:** June 28, 2017, 10:58:34 AM »

Quote from: DaveBarbier on June 28, 2017, 10:37:40 AM

Oh my god. It's running. So far it seems to be running very nicely. Can't find any real issues yet, but I'm still looking

don't worry. go look a bit harder and you'll find something. you know just as well as i do that cmsnl man made you botch up a thing or two

i'd be tempted to say "congratulations" but keep looking...

DaveBarbier · « **Reply #1624 on:** June 28, 2017, 11:18:14 AM »

Haha, you're right. He's a Dutch spy probably.

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Author Topic: Patina Hyena - 550/650 674cc Hybrid Cafe Build (Read 384067 times)