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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #125 on: March 10, 2009, 09:32:13 AM »


Good luck on 3 .. its just a plugged jet or passage..

It got hot in about 3 minutes so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that it worked itself out. haha.
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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #126 on: March 10, 2009, 09:34:08 AM »
I'm actually thinking, 754, the way she described it sounded like the float hadn't settled quite right 'til she jiggled it, because it was puking gas, too, for awhile there. It might actually be ok.  Try running some seafoam in your gas once you get your tank cleaned, and check Hush's 650PZ thread on the in-line filters.  A word of warning- they DO vaporlock easily.
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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #127 on: March 10, 2009, 09:37:17 AM »
it's a labor of love
everything I say is pure speculation and
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« Reply #128 on: March 10, 2009, 09:42:26 AM »
I spit test pipes.. lick your finger..touch on/off for a microsecond.

Start at lowest bend & work up if you dont hear the sizzle..

 Spit optional, if you are looking to get rid of fingerprints.. :o
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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #129 on: March 10, 2009, 10:57:04 AM »
I spit test pipes.. lick your finger..touch on/off for a microsecond.

Start at lowest bend & work up if you dont hear the sizzle..

 Spit optional, if you are looking to get rid of fingerprints.. :o
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If I had a nickel for everytime I burned off the fingerprints on my index fingers, I'd be friggin rich. They still aren't very "pronounced". Someday.

Oh, anywho. I'm looking into a pod/jet combo.... I was just going to buy a replacement OE filter, but that damned box is so hard to get in there.....

You all know I converted my exhaust from a 4-2 to a 4-1.
I rebuilt the carbs and set them. It runs now.
Should I put stock air box on?
SHould I modify my air box?
SHould I buy pods and jet my carbs?
Thoughts? Discuss.
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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #130 on: March 10, 2009, 11:05:16 AM »
Heh Heh three cheers to get it running fairly well without the airbox.

My 78 ran like ass unitl I put the box back on. and that was with a synch.

I have pods available around here somewhere if you want em.

ask IC or "manchicken" to have a look too.

Just like Bill (Ecosse) I too wish I could work on my engine. Oh well.

I'll just live vicariously through you instead.
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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #131 on: March 10, 2009, 11:26:55 AM »
Better than living vicariously "in" me I suppose. That just sounds painful.
I haven't decided whether or not I want to do it, but thanks for the heads up. I plan on researching completely before i make a decision.
So you're saying that they don't normally run without the box on? hmm. Maybe spending 30 minutes just adjusting floats as perfectly as possible was the right Idea. I was pretty OCD with my air fuel mix screws from snug out 1.5. I didn't just grab and spin. I was all. "ok theres a mm.. and another mm."
It was pretty ridiculous.  I also blew out every orifice in that sucker with 2 diff types of cleaner and pressurized air  twice. bwahaha. Can't hide from me. little particles of crap.....
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« Reply #132 on: March 10, 2009, 11:41:27 AM »
Congratulations on the recent success.  You earned it!  Careful what you do with the hormone rush.  ;D

If I had a nickel for everytime I burned off the fingerprints on my index fingers, I'd be friggin rich. They still aren't very "pronounced". Someday.
You don't have to burn your fingers, or wet them(saliva leaves deposits on hot chrome pipes.
Your body heat sensors are slow reacting and really only detect heat change, rather than heat amount.  Just like you can pass your hand through a flame  quickly without damage, you can sense header heat in a relative way, too.
First principle to keep in the fore, is that you always assume the pipe is hot enough to burn.  Never grab and hold and wait for your too-slow heat sensors to tell you you did a bad, painfull thing.
Do the flash touch thing, and wait for your heat sensor data to reach your brain after you have removed your touch for a second or two.  You can always repeat/increase the frequency/duration of the touch to get more heat data into your hand, to be reported back to your brain after you have released from the touch.  After you do that with each pipe, then you get a sense of the heat content on each pipe.   If you can touch each pipe with the same relative frequency and duration, you have even pipe heating.

Should I put stock air box on?
I'd say yes.

SHould I modify my air box?
Not till you have the bike running predictably.  How many balls do you wish to juggle at one time?

SHould I buy pods and jet my carbs?
How many balls do you wish to juggle at one time?

It may well be that you are done with the carbs at this point, unless you make further changes. 

The float pins/components will self polish, with a bit engine run time vibration.
Installing PODs, pretty much insures that you will have to rejet.  For that, you need a test track where wide open throttle operation is routinely accepted, or a dyno machine.
Without the dyno, you will also have to learn to read the spark plug deposits for combustion conditions.
I've not found it that difficult to install the 750's air box, particularly if you install the top half first, rather than the whole thing at once.  I also remove the band clamps completely from the couplers, both for removal and installation.

Don't bother fine tuning the carbs without the filter on, whatever path you chose.

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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #133 on: March 10, 2009, 11:59:28 AM »
Congratulations on the recent success.  You earned it!  Careful what you do with the hormone rush.  ;D

Thanks you so much for all the info, You're a blessing. I'm not being sarcastic either.
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Know that if I ask for anything info regarding my Elsa, I'm probably looking for you're guidance. haha.
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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #134 on: March 10, 2009, 04:56:12 PM »
havoc- i have no extra pods, but her and I went over some options.
and I think it's just a decision of- more work and money V.S. put box on and ride.
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everything I say is pure speculation and
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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #135 on: March 10, 2009, 05:11:35 PM »
I personaly like the look of pods, I have never had the experiance that other people have with the wind problem (cutting out at high speed) I had a cb500 that had no filters whatsoever and pulled hard all the way up to 100 topped out at 104, and could do it in the wind, against the wind, or with a cross wind. If you like the pods and can figure out how to tune them DO IT. If you like the stock look, put the box back on.

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« Reply #136 on: March 10, 2009, 06:29:35 PM »
I love the look of pods as well, its just the induction sound that kills it for me. Does anyone know where i can get an inline filter for my Honda. I have seen a green rectangular foam filter with the four outlets but i have searched and have come up with nothing.

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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #137 on: March 10, 2009, 06:32:31 PM »
retro- my pipes are too loud to hear that. what's it sound like?   ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #138 on: March 10, 2009, 06:33:29 PM »
I had green foam pods on my 500 at one point but the damn things were ugly as hell so I took them off.

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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #139 on: March 10, 2009, 06:36:32 PM »
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retro- my pipes are too loud to hear that. what's it sound like?
Like a 10 dollar hooker giving......nah won't go there... ;D

Billy, i have a gutted a modded airbox so they won't be visible, I thought the one i'm looking for was a "final filter" filter but apparently not....

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« Reply #140 on: March 10, 2009, 06:41:08 PM »
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retro- my pipes are too loud to hear that. what's it sound like?
Like a 10 dollar hooker giving......nah won't go there... ;D

Billy, i have a gutted a modded airbox so they won't be visible, I thought the one i'm looking for was a "final filter" filter but apparently not....

Mick

If anyone can tell you where to get one its these guys, http://www.viciouscycle.com/ Joe is really cool I got my ugly green pods there.

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« Reply #141 on: March 10, 2009, 07:18:15 PM »
Aint nothin yer tongue will put on your finger thats hard to get off your pipe... just use steel wool...

Seems lately people will go to extraordinary time-sucking lengths to avoid the quick obvious methods..
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« Reply #142 on: March 10, 2009, 09:20:23 PM »
Aint nothin yer tongue will put on your finger thats hard to get off your pipe... just use steel wool...

Seems lately people will go to extraordinary time-sucking lengths to avoid the quick obvious methods..

You mean like the extra steps needed to clean up after you mess it up?

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« Reply #143 on: March 10, 2009, 09:39:01 PM »
Whatever is quick and works..

 when a bike is only running on 2 or 3 cylinders, usually the owner wants it sorted out..

sometimes bike get a bit dirty when you work on them.. it just life..
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« Reply #144 on: March 10, 2009, 10:08:48 PM »
Aint nothin yer tongue will put on your finger thats hard to get off your pipe... just use steel wool...

Seems lately people will go to extraordinary time-sucking lengths to avoid the quick obvious methods..

I just read an article about the latest super-germs making their rounds (mostly in hospitals) and how drugs won't kill them, and lots of humans can't fight them.  I've decided that licking exhaust pipes isn't the best method to see if any live there.

Just recently, I learned that if I blow fuel jets clear with my mouth, I get lip blisters (chemical burns) from the gasoline deposits on the jets.  (I didn't used to get them.  ??? )

Anyway, training (or retraining), particularly those stodgy in their ways, often takes far longer than the actual learned process, after it becomes routine.  Some just refuse to learn, or even realize they can.

Glad we don't have any of those people here....

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Re: My project thus far. "Elsa"
« Reply #145 on: March 10, 2009, 11:18:25 PM »
Congrats on the startup Ink, like TT said, get it running properly (riding) with the stock airbox to be sure the bike runs OK. Run it through the paces at different throttle settings at different RPM's to be sure nothing is wrong with your bike. After that, do as you wish to it. Pods can be tricky to jet properly though, look through the threads and you'll see.
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« Reply #146 on: March 11, 2009, 01:48:13 AM »
...and pods can be questionable in the rain, and with the right (wrong) type of air turbulence shoving air into them, and...
Your engineers did a good job of designing your bike... trust their work.
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« Reply #147 on: March 11, 2009, 01:59:18 AM »
Hey I'm absolutely rapt that your bike goes, I've rebuilt quite a few bikes over the years and there is no better sound than the roar of a once dead motor being ressurected.
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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« Reply #148 on: March 11, 2009, 02:08:57 AM »
You were licking the jets back in the leaded gas days.. :o.,

 I can tell...

You sure it's not a fever induced hallucination?
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« Reply #149 on: March 11, 2009, 08:19:18 AM »
I'm deleting some of these messages because it seems like some of you are hi-jacking my build thread. That's not right.
and that's not why i posted it. I logged in all excited cause i had a zillion responses and it's this? eek.


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I'm going to a few fabric stores and hobby stores and motorcycle shops and hardware stores today to try and collect my wire, filters, snaps, resin, and all that jazz today. I'm not sure what I'm going to use for the foam on the pan yet, but i'm sure i'll find something.
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