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"Motorcycles are Inept Long-Distance Vehicles

As a preface to this bold statement let tell you that I have climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro while suffering malaria, faced many dangers while scuba diving in foreign oceans, run marathons, lift weights, have visited 49 U.S. states, all provinces of Canada, most of Mexico and, numerous foreign countries (all in 4-wheeled vehicles) and have been riding motorcycles for 41 years accident free - - hence, I am not a naïve, inexperienced loudmouth.

I have recently completed my FIRST and LAST long-distance trip on a motorcycle. The trip was about a 4,000 mile voyage from Pennsylvania with stop-overs in Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and Missouri. The bike that I used for this excursion was a K7 650 V-Strom.

I discovered the first flaw in long-distance motorcycle travel within 300 miles - - seat discomfort. Yes, I know, by spending $300 or so on Spencer or Corbin seats, some or most of that discomfort can be alleviated. But almost any plain old car seat is considerably more comfortable than the best motorcycle seat. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

My next discovery was noise. I don’t care if you have the best custom-made ear plugs known to mankind and the most streamlined helmet, the noise is 6 to 9 db higher on a bike relative to a normal car. Temporary, or in some cases permanent, hearing loss occurs. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Then, of course, many people complain about buffeting and there are a plethora of partial remedies, all costing $$$$. Cars have no buffeting. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

I like to stop along the way in visit various stores with rare or unusual merchandise. This becomes a real pain when the stores are grouped within a few miles of each other. You have to remove your helmet, ear plugs, gloves, whatever, each time that you stop. With a car you merely open the door and go into the store. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

I always buy things when I stop at stores. But, on a motorcycle, you must not buy too many things or things too large because your carrying capacity is extremely limited. Yes, you could always ship them to your house but this is highly inconvenient. Whereas, a car has relatively massive capacity. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Some riders exhaust their rear tires in 5 – 8,000 miles and have to buy and install tires during their trip. Car tires typically last a minimum of 50,000. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

As you ride along at 65 mph on your shiny new bike and you hit a deer (armadillo, opossum etc.), you’re DEAD, or seriously injured. In a car there would be little or no damage to car or driver. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Many motorcycle riders express the “freedom” of riding outside any enclosure with the wind blowing through your hair. However, this site always recommends wearing a helmet with armored jacket and pants and special boots. Well, in my opinion, wearing all the junk is certainly wise but completely abolishes the “freedom” feeling since you are "enclosed" in protective gear. In a car, you need none of that equipment. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Sometimes I am no where near a hotel. As such, I typically sleep in my car. But, with a bike, you must carry a tent, a rain cover, sleeping bag and mattress. In a car, you merely craw in the back seat and sleep. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Finally, carrying 50, 60, 70 pounds of equipment on your bike makes it somewhat difficult to maneuver at low speeds which can cause the bike to fall over if the rider is not careful. Cars never fall on their side at low speeds no matter how much stuff you carry. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

From the unarguable facts listed above, there is no logical reason to use a motorcycle for long-distance travel since it is highly inconvenient, relatively dangerous, quite uncomfortable and slightly physically damaging (the ears). So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

My bike typically gets 57 mpg whereas my car, at the same speeds, gets about 39 mpg. From now on, I will gladly exchange that 18 mpg difference for all the advantages of a car.

Gary - - former long distance motorcycle driver"
« Last Edit: June 28, 2010, 08:18:46 AM by andy750 »
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2010, 08:01:50 AM »
Can't dispute most of the points raised, but I still think of the few long distance trips I've taken (quite a few years ago though) as some of the best times I've had on the bike.  ;)
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2010, 08:05:01 AM »
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2010, 08:05:21 AM »
I have never done it but really wanted to, until reading this.


After reading this, it makes me want to do it MORE.


Ive been cross country in a car, i have never done it on a bike.

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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2010, 08:17:08 AM »
good point... i prob wont be taking my bike on real long distance rides in the near future....... if u are gary who is andy?
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2010, 08:22:48 AM »
what a big pu$$y.
its better to regret something you have done,than something you havent.Except playing with explosives.

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2010, 08:26:29 AM »
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2010, 08:36:05 AM »
What a big pu$$y.

I was gonna say "douche" but that works too..  ;)
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2010, 08:44:27 AM »
Obvious to me this guy is tired of "roughing it" when he's on vacation. A bike trip and a car trip are two different animals. I've done plenty of both and you have to expect to get different things out of each. I didn't like having all the gear loaded on my bike either. The solution was easy. When you got to a cool place you make camp or get a hotel, unload everything, stay an extra day and then go jamming through the mountains. My ass got sore too and still does. I'm 54 now and I know I have a few bike trips left in me and damn it I'm going to take them, AND I'LL LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF IT!!!! To each their own!
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2010, 08:47:17 AM »
I am surprised he never even mentioned rain, storms, heat and other weather related problems while on the road...
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2010, 08:50:28 AM »
Getting a Goldwing and installing a car tire on the rear would alleviate most of his issues.

That being said, travel isn't always about comfort for some people. Those of us a bit more...masochistic...might enjoy the fact that it's not your typical cushy vacation. I did 2000 miles on a Nighthawk 550 last month, and it was a blast. My ass was sore for days, my neck hurt, the bike could barely hold 80mph at times, but it was probably my favorite vacation ever.



I won't argue that the trip would have been easier, quicker, and more comfortable in a car, but the point of my trip wasn't (entirely) the destination.

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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2010, 09:06:24 AM »
My car makes as least as much noise as my bike,
the rattlleing fenders, hole in the exhuast,
the worn shocks make pot holes hard to handle,
door handles get stuck,
window handles are strapped on Vise-grips,
the windshield leaks..... ???

That is why I take my bike when I can.
Less hassles.
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2010, 09:07:25 AM »
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Taken from the VSTROM forum...

http://www.stromtrooper.com/showthread.php?t=54718

"Motorcycles are Inept Long-Distance Vehicles

As a preface to this bold statement let tell you that I have climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro while suffering malaria, faced many dangers while scuba diving in foreign oceans, run marathons, lift weights, have visited 49 U.S. states, all provinces of Canada, most of Mexico and, numerous foreign countries (all in 4-wheeled vehicles) and have been riding motorcycles for 41 years accident free - - hence, I am not a naïve, inexperienced loudmouth.

I have recently completed my FIRST and LAST long-distance trip on a motorcycle. The trip was about a 4,000 mile voyage from Pennsylvania with stop-overs in Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and Missouri. The bike that I used for this excursion was a K7 650 V-Strom.

I discovered the first flaw in long-distance motorcycle travel within 300 miles - - seat discomfort. Yes, I know, by spending $300 or so on Spencer or Corbin seats, some or most of that discomfort can be alleviated. But almost any plain old car seat is considerably more comfortable than the best motorcycle seat. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Any long time in any one position is not comfortable.  In the car on the way to work this morning my back was sweating and sticking to the car seat and there was nothing I could do about it.

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My next discovery was noise. I don’t care if you have the best custom-made ear plugs known to mankind and the most streamlined helmet, the noise is 6 to 9 db higher on a bike relative to a normal car. Temporary, or in some cases permanent, hearing loss occurs. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

So what do people in cars do? - they crank the radio up.  Give this a shot: turn on the radio with the engine off, and put it on a volume comfortable to the ears.  Then turn on the engine, roll down the windows, and drive.  You'll find that to hear the radio you'll have to turn it up.  Okay, after you've turned it up so you can hear it while driving, leave it at that volume and shut the engine off.  I bet it hurts your ears now.  And don't kid yourself that it's not hurting your ears while driving, it is.

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Then, of course, many people complain about buffeting and there are a plethora of partial remedies, all costing $$$$. Cars have no buffeting. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

If you must eat at a buffet, then just do it.   ::)   :D

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I like to stop along the way in visit various stores with rare or unusual merchandise. This becomes a real pain when the stores are grouped within a few miles of each other. You have to remove your helmet, ear plugs, gloves, whatever, each time that you stop. With a car you merely open the door and go into the store. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Must you put the gloves and ear plugs in for these little short jots across town?   ::)

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I always buy things when I stop at stores. But, on a motorcycle, you must not buy too many things or things too large because your carrying capacity is extremely limited. Yes, you could always ship them to your house but this is highly inconvenient. Whereas, a car has relatively massive capacity. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Save your money.  It's just junk.  Crap other people didn't want.  

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Some riders exhaust their rear tires in 5 – 8,000 miles and have to buy and install tires during their trip. Car tires typically last a minimum of 50,000. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

 ???
Again, stop buying junk.  Especially junk tires.

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As you ride along at 65 mph on your shiny new bike and you hit a deer (armadillo, opossum etc.), you’re DEAD, or seriously injured. In a car there would be little or no damage to car or driver. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

You have to be as careful as possible.  People die in cars too.

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Many motorcycle riders express the “freedom” of riding outside any enclosure with the wind blowing through your hair. However, this site always recommends wearing a helmet with armored jacket and pants and special boots. Well, in my opinion, wearing all the junk is certainly wise but completely abolishes the “freedom” feeling since you are "enclosed" in protective gear. In a car, you need none of that equipment. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

6 in one, half dozen in the other.  Where's the "freedom" in the car?

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Sometimes I am no where near a hotel. As such, I typically sleep in my car. But, with a bike, you must carry a tent, a rain cover, sleeping bag and mattress. In a car, you merely craw in the back seat and sleep. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Homeless people seem to manage.  Cavemen coped.  Soldiers have slept in the mud.  Just do it.  No tent, no sleeping bag, just go for it.  It'll be fun.

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Finally, carrying 50, 60, 70 pounds of equipment on your bike makes it somewhat difficult to maneuver at low speeds which can cause the bike to fall over if the rider is not careful. Cars never fall on their side at low speeds no matter how much stuff you carry. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

Stop carrying all that crap.  Again, it's just junk.  No one needs to carry 70 pounds of crap.  Or... is this a reference to a weight problem?  In that case, don't blame the motorcycle.

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From the unarguable facts listed above, there is no logical reason to use a motorcycle for long-distance travel since it is highly inconvenient, relatively dangerous, quite uncomfortable and slightly physically damaging (the ears). So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??

My bike typically gets 57 mpg whereas my car, at the same speeds, gets about 39 mpg. From now on, I will gladly exchange that 18 mpg difference for all the advantages of a car.

Gary - - former long distance motorcycle driver"

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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2010, 09:10:30 AM »
My car makes as least as much noise as my bike,
the rattlleing fenders, hole in the exhuast,
the worn shocks make pot holes hard to handle,
door handles get stuck,
window handles are strapped on Vise-grips,
the windshield leaks..... ???

That is why I take my bike when I can.
Less hassles.
 ;D


Ditto.  In fact, my bikes are in better shape.  So, for reliable transportation, I must take the bike.  ::)
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2010, 09:11:30 AM »
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As you ride along at 65 mph on your shiny new bike and you hit a deer (armadillo, opossum etc.), you’re DEAD, or seriously injured. In a car there would be little or no damage to car or driver. So, why not use a car for long distance travel ??


Almost hit a deer doing 80 in a sedan, I was barely able to swerve out of the way, hitting a deer at 80  would have seriously injured me and the passengers, so this is a moot point.

Besides on a bike you have a lot more wiggle room.

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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2010, 09:32:30 AM »
He hasn't ridden a Venture.  This is the 2nd generation (video), my bike is the 1st generation.  These pull trailers and campers well.  And a V4 1200/1300 to boot!  Oh, my seat is good for 8 hours.

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I don't have a motorcycle, sold it ('85 Yamaha Venture Royale).  Haven't had a CB750 for over 40 years.

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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2010, 09:37:40 AM »
Almost hit a deer doing 80 in a sedan, I was barely able to swerve out of the way, hitting a deer at 80  would have seriously injured me and the passengers

You somehow know this for a fact? You have Nicolas Cage's powers from Next and can see two minutes into the future to know what would have happened?

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so this is a moot point.

Absolutely not. A motorcycle and a car hitting a deer at equal speeds will have vastly different results.

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Besides on a bike you have a lot more wiggle room.

And a lot less steel around you.

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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2010, 09:53:41 AM »
Almost hit a deer doing 80 in a sedan, I was barely able to swerve out of the way, hitting a deer at 80  would have seriously injured me and the passengers

You somehow know this for a fact? You have Nicolas Cage's powers from Next and can see two minutes into the future to know what would have happened?

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so this is a moot point.

Absolutely not. A motorcycle and a car hitting a deer at equal speeds will have vastly different results.

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Besides on a bike you have a lot more wiggle room.

And a lot less steel around you.


Alls I am saying is that hitting a deer can kill you in a car just like hitting a deer on a bike can kill you.

Chances of survival may be higher in a car, but there is no guarantee, there are plenty of pictures on the internet of a deer going through the windshield of Dodge suvs, right into the drivers side, maybe they lived maybe they didnt.

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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2010, 10:01:44 AM »
what a big pu$$y.
here we go..... >:(

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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2010, 10:06:50 AM »


So now we're reduced to arguing out the points of someone's complaints, someone who isn't even a member of this forum? ::) ::)



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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2010, 10:08:51 AM »
why not use a car? easy. because they suck.

motorcycles are not for everybody.

I hate getting into a stinky metal box that doesn't lean or fit between other stinky metal boxes.

what about filtering through traffic, parking anywhere, the ease of hopping on and off without any pesky car doors to get in the way? a sore ass and numb hands are way better than the shame of rollin in a coffin before you're dead.

the feeling I get of being so much more clever and capable than all the stupid car drivers is also nice. being able to whiz by as they are trapped in their sweltering boxes, pumping out co2 needlessly into the air even know they are not even moving.

it is the most efficient way to get from place to place, besides maybe a bicycle which just isn't fast. besides, cars suck.

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2010, 10:46:03 AM »
why not use a car? easy. because they suck.

motorcycles are not for everybody.

I hate getting into a stinky metal box that doesn't lean or fit between other stinky metal boxes.

what about filtering through traffic,

Not legal in most places.

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the ease of hopping on and off without any pesky car doors to get in the way?

Hopping in and out of my car is a lot easier than gearing up for a bike ride

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the feeling I get of being so much more clever and capable than all the stupid car drivers is also nice.

That's not an advantage, that's your own pretentiousness. I'd imagine all of the car drivers feel a lot more clever and capable when they see you struggling to ride through a rainstorm.

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being able to whiz by as they are trapped in their sweltering boxes, pumping out co2 needlessly into the air even know they are not even moving.

Which is more than offset by their modern fuel injection and emission controls. Regardless of engine size and fuel consumption, an old bike is going to be significantly worse for the environment than a modern car.

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it is the most efficient way to get from place to place, besides maybe a bicycle which just isn't fast. besides, cars suck.

That depends on many things, such as how far apart those places are.

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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2010, 10:53:36 AM »
Car vs. Motorcycle...

Carriage vs. horse...

Swing from tree to tree vs. walk...

This is a transcendent argument.  ;D
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2010, 10:56:21 AM »
Andy,

You scared me there for a moment. Glad to see it was someone else! Guess this guy has had 1 too many "been there done thats".

I take my bike for pleasure and my car for transportation. I just did 1125 miles back home in my Acura RL Friday in 15 hours. Needed to get my daughter to gymnastics camp quickly then get her back for the Colorado State Championships on Saturday. Couldn't make that happen on a bike. Also needed her to be rested somewhat. Must've worked as she took 3rd place.  
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Re: Why I will never use a motorcycle for long distance travel again
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2010, 11:47:02 AM »
The UberAcheiver;
 always trying to be the best at something, when it gets old and they cant impress that crowd, they move on. Never happy in life, always need a new "something" to prove.. both to them & others..

 I find it hard to believe he rode for 41 years, must have had a lot of gaps in there..

 Stay away from guys, like that... probably rides a recumBENT now... and eats fofu.. or something like that.

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